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The move, requested by right-wing politicians and residents of the West Bank settlements, would be aimed at arming civilian security squads in order to defend themselves from attacks like those on Oct. 7
 
@Amir can you shed light on this?


Israel’s media mostly keep Gaza’s human toll out of sight

But the toll of that war on the civilians of Gaza is largely out of sight. Most news outlets here do not prominently feature the conflict’s soaring death count or the growing threat of hunger and disease. They publish images of Israeli soldiers seated atop tanks and storming into buildings, but not the victims of Israeli bullets and bombs.
https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2024-01-24/israel-media-keep-gaza-horrors-out-of-sight
 
@Amir can you shed light on this?

Israel’s media mostly keep Gaza’s human toll out of sight


https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2024-01-24/israel-media-keep-gaza-horrors-out-of-sight
Gideon Levy, a very reputable Israeli journalist from Haaretz said that it was the case, which is absolutely not surprising.

However it's not really an excuse. There's easily accessible, metric tons of articles and videos of the slaughter on the net for anyone to see.
 
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@Amir can you shed light on this?


Israel’s media mostly keep Gaza’s human toll out of sight


https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2024-01-24/israel-media-keep-gaza-horrors-out-of-sight

Yep, that's right. What's happening to the Gaza population gets very little attention in the Israeli media, therefore not many Israelis know that much about it.

Not that it would change much for many of the Israelis if they did know. People who want to know can find out. people who don't care, don't bother anyway. And most Israelis just don't care. Some just see anybody living in Gaza, children included, as collaborators or potential terrorists.
 
Definitely need those F35s to help turn the tide against the military juggernaut that are Hamas, journalists, UN workers and some kids with slingshots.
It’s insane the amount of resources this fat cousin of a country gets from the dumbest empire in world history. The Israeli military ground strategy of standing next to explosive barrels like Goldeneye NPC’s hasn’t worked. Now all they have left is air power.
 
It’s insane the amount of resources this fat cousin of a country gets from the dumbest empire in world history. The Israeli military ground strategy of standing next to explosive barrels like Goldeneye NPC’s hasn’t worked. Now all they have left is air power.
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Definitely need those F35s to help turn the tide against the military juggernaut that are Hamas, journalists, UN workers and some kids with slingshots.
Don't forget the future hostages who'll try to unwillingly escape with their captors.
 
It’s insane the amount of resources this fat cousin of a country gets from the dumbest empire in world history. The Israeli military ground strategy of standing next to explosive barrels like Goldeneye NPC’s hasn’t worked. Now all they have left is air power.
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If there ever was a textbook example of "feck around and find out" that would be it.
 
It’s insane the amount of resources this fat cousin of a country gets from the dumbest empire in world history. The Israeli military ground strategy of standing next to explosive barrels like Goldeneye NPC’s hasn’t worked. Now all they have left is air power.
Brilliant!
 
Just awaiting the inevitable ICJ absolution of Israel today, and the nauseating smugness of US and Israeli officials with a 'told you so' response, as they continue to murder thousands more civilians.

Without being dramatic, I feel like today is possibly the day the whole notion of international law loses credibility permanently.
 


As we await the verdict on imposing emergency measures on Israel by the @CIJ_ICJ, 184 Palestinian were killed in the last 24 hours.

At least 11 Palestinians were killed THIS MORNING alone, including one journalist.

More than 31,000 Palestinians killed or under the rubble.

65,000 more wounded and thousands are in a life or death situation with no medical access.

At least 120 mass graves sprawled across UNRWA schools, hospitals, and residential neighborhoods.
 
Shameless feckers should be creating the buffer zone on their own side.

Ah, no, that would be counterproductive to the land grabbing operations.

At a minimum it should be on both sides like every other DMZ. You'd hope the outcome would be a UN agreement to create a buffer zone each side and then recognise Palestine as a state.

If the global community allow Israel to occupy that land and continue it's apartheid with no recognition of Palestine it'd be a shameful outcome for all.
 
It is good that the ICJ is quoting the UN and WHO reports.

And quoting some of the vile statements by senior Israeli officials now. There is something about an ICJ judge calmy and deliberately laying out the facts and quotes that adds some gravity to the situation.
 
And quoting some of the vile statements by senior Israeli officials now. There is something about an ICJ judge calmy and deliberately laying out the facts and quotes that adds some gravity to the situation.

And using proper sources for once in this argument.
 
So, some provisions designed to hold Israel to account, some provisions to alleviate the humanitarian situation, but ultimately no provisional order for Israel to stop its operation.
 
So, ultimately, some provisions designed to hold Israel to account, some provisions to alleviate the humanitarian situation, but ultimately no provisional order for Israel to stop its operation.

Yep, they agreed with basically everything South Africa submitted but rejected to propose a call for a ceasefire.

Too much politics is still being played while thousands are killed, injured, and starved every day.
 
So the verdict is a bit of a nothingburger then? Just essentially ordering Israel to do what it can to prevent a genocide?
 
Yep, they agreed with basically everything South Africa submitted but rejected to propose a call for a ceasefire.

Too much politics is still being played while thousands are killed, injured, and starved every day.

Most people wouldn't argue that they do have a right to defend themselves, problem is the way that they are doing it. So ordering a cease-fire is a big leap.
 
So the verdict is a bit of a nothingburger then? Just essentially ordering Israel to do what it can to prevent a genocide?

My understanding of this process is that we've just had the preliminary hearing to see if there's a case to answer. That's now concluded by confirming that RSA have brought a plausible case that Israel has potentially committed genocide.

That trial will now start and take a very long time.

They could have called for a ceasefire too, but as @Denis79 says above, it's understandable (legally speaking, obviously there should be a ceasefire) why they haven't ruled on that.
 
Most people wouldn't argue that they do have a right to defend themselves, problem is the way that they are doing it. So ordering a cease-fire is a big leap.

Who are most people? Most people have argued for a ceasefire for weeks.

Basically, I agree with this

 
So the verdict is a bit of a nothingburger then? Just essentially ordering Israel to do what it can to prevent a genocide?

On the contrary, the verdict is quite serious. The court recognizes that the potential for genocide is there which is huge. They also call for measured and controlled reactions by the Israeli forces meaning the way they are fighting now is not acceptable according to the court, they also demand that provisions and aid are not stopped by Israel. But what surprised me the most is that it calls for the prosecution of leaders within Israel that call for genocide (Some high ranking officials have done this). I don't think Israel will abide by any of this but they are officially under scrutiny now which was the best we could hope for. It is also good that the court called for the release of the remaining hostages and I hope Hamas do this to show compliance.
 
Most people wouldn't argue that they do have a right to defend themselves, problem is the way that they are doing it. So ordering a cease-fire is a big leap.

My knee jerk reaction is that in stopping short of calling for a ceasefire the court, in effect, ruled that in the near term Israel's right to defend itself trumps the Gazan's right to be protected from potential genocide.

The rest of the ruling pays lip service to the idea that Gazans have rights by demanding that Israel do XYZ. The thing is that Israel already claims to be doing XYZ, so precisely what change is this interim ruling effecting?

Edit: By far the most important part of the ruling is demonstrating that Israel has a case to answer, so that's good.