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Giggsy PO said:
Lets stop this petty nonsense about games and googling quotes when you googled like 16 year old thread.

But as you mentioned the letter, lets stay there. You see, also in Bosnia you have different perspectives on the issue. As you have everywhere else. Only this thread seems to be a parallel universe.



As you just dismissed the director of the Srebrenica Memorial Centre? Just like that. I am not going to convince you, you are not going to convince me. I am not even trying to convince you. But this Israel - Palestine Discussion, so don't be surprised different positions to yours are voiced here.
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See that's the difference the rest of us are engaging in debate because it furthers understanding, you're just here to blindly state a position and not engage. If you read more carefully you'd see I just agreed with the director on the parralels.

There's a lot of relevant information being shared in this thread that anyone acting in good faith would take onboard or critque. You claim it's not genocide with no justification provided, you're complaining there's a one sided view here and then failing to counter it with any substance. At least those in the Kosovo thread had the balls to stand behind their wild claims.

Whatever agenda you're trying to push you're doing it a great disservice.
 
Smores said:
See that's the difference the rest of us are engaging in debate because it furthers understanding, you're just here to blindly state a position and not engage. If you read more carefully you'd see I just agreed with the director on the parralels.

There's a lot of relevant information being shared in this thread that anyone acting in good faith would take onboard or critque. You claim it's not genocide with no justification provided, you're complaining there's a one sided view here and then failing to counter it with any substance. At least those in the Kosovo thread had the balls to stand behind their wild claims.

Whatever agenda you're trying to push you're doing it a great disservice.
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That's his style.

Cries wolf, "argues" in bad faith, then hits the road when called out on his BS. Rinse and repeat.

At this point there's nothing the supporters of Israel's criminal conduct of this unprecedented massacre in Gaza can hang onto without looking like straight sociopaths.
 
Giggsy PO said:
Fair enough. Do you consider Amnesty International to be such organization? And just curious, did you leave out UNRWA on purpose?
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I left UNRWA because I haven't read a report from them, same goes for Amnesty. Quoted he said, she said statements I left out, those are many and hard to fact check.
 
Giggsyking said:
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The IDF were using it as a base of operations and an interrogation ground. They wouldn't have done so had they deemed the location a risk. This was straight up a controlled demolition of an important civilian institute for seemingly no other reason than to punish the people of Gaza. Likewise with them demolishing the cemetery. None of these actions are indicative of self-defence nor specifically targeting Hamas.

Watching Miller here awkwardly tip toe around the issue to desperately absolve the Israelis is pathetic viewing. They're so compromised by Israel they can't bring themselves to even condemn the indefensible. It really does make you wonder how far Israel could go before forcing a smidgen of condemnation from the US. Putin must absolutely be loving this considering its completely invalidated the US' integrity and seemingly redefined the rules of what's considered appropriate and proportional in war.
 
Smores said:
If you read more carefully you'd see I just agreed with the director on the parralels.
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You are right, I jumped into quick conclusion there.

Smores said:
There's a lot of relevant information being shared in this thread that anyone acting in good faith would take onboard or critque. You claim it's not genocide with no justification provided, you're complaining there's a one sided view here and then failing to counter it with any substance. At least those in the Kosovo thread had the balls to stand behind their wild claims.
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Here you make too much of a generalization. Of course there is a lot relevant information, argumentation of substance and so on. But so is a lot nonsense as well - people re-posting their twitter feeds on daily basis, people posting content of bogus sources (like people who are known antisemites and promote 9/11 conspiracy theories), ever present emotional appeal. Lets stop here, do you know how many times is name Kfir Bibas mentioned in this thread? Zero. There were a few outright antisemitic posts that mods had to delete. Here you have another example of claim made here "I think Gaza will be taken by Israel and never returned." Let's see how many replies will require the justification of this wild claim. This is internet forum, people post in a way they see fit, based or their availibility and so on. The post are long, short, opinions, analysis, repeting the same argument again and again, justified, not justified etc. And as long as it is within the rules it will continue in that way.
 
Denis79 said:
I left UNRWA because I haven't read a report from them, same goes for Amnesty. Quoted he said, she said statements I left out, those are many and hard to fact check.
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DM me links to reports you find relevant.
 
Amir said:
Christ, who cares what he says? Yeah, those nutters of the messiah and the third temple do exist, just like there are religious loonies everywhere. There's plenty of serious stuff to discuss. This soldier's video is meaningless.
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You don't believe Netanyahu, the parliament, Biden, etc, don't believe in exactly the same thing? I know Biden is Christian by birth but that doesn't change anything.

Through all this 'distraction' of killing countless children has anyone asked how Masjid Al Aqsa is faring? No? Because the Zionists (extremist Christians, like Biden, and extremist Jews) are doing exactly what is foretold in the Qur'an.

Al Aqsa is the prison which these people are destined to open eventually. I'll leave everyone to Google the rest.

Just wanted to bring this up now as we're edging closer and people are beginning to slowly wake up around the world.
 
Dumbstar said:
You don't believe Netanyahu, the parliament, Biden, etc, don't believe in exactly the same thing? I know Biden is Christian by birth but that doesn't change anything.
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No. Netanyahu certainly doesn't believe it. He's not religious at all and doesn't believe in all that crap, even though he hides it in order to appease his coalition partners. Most of the parliament members don't believe it either.
 
Giggsy PO said:
You are right, I jumped into quick conclusion there.



Here you make too much of a generalization. Of course there is a lot relevant information, argumentation of substance and so on. But so is a lot nonsense as well - people re-posting their twitter feeds on daily basis, people posting content of bogus sources (like people who are known antisemites and promote 9/11 conspiracy theories), ever present emotional appeal. Lets stop here, do you know how many times is name Kfir Bibas mentioned in this thread? Zero. There were a few outright antisemitic posts that mods had to delete. Here you have another example of claim made here "I think Gaza will be taken by Israel and never returned." Let's see how many replies will require the justification of this wild claim. This is internet forum, people post in a way they see fit, based or their availibility and so on. The post are long, short, opinions, analysis, repeting the same argument again and again, justified, not justified etc. And as long as it is within the rules it will continue in that way.
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You took Bill fecking Maher words as facts, and you accuse others of posting twitter feeds, the audacity you have :lol:
 


https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/18/nyregion/hate-crime-food-vendor-nyc.html


Ex-State Dept. Official Ordered to Bias Training After Anti-Muslim Rant
If Stuart Seldowitz completes the program, the charges he faces for berating a food truck vendor would be dropped, prosecutors said. A Muslim group called it a “sweetheart deal.”

Not only the US government is complicit, but also their judiciary system, a fecking disgrace.
 
Giggsyking said:


https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/18/nyregion/hate-crime-food-vendor-nyc.html


Ex-State Dept. Official Ordered to Bias Training After Anti-Muslim Rant
If Stuart Seldowitz completes the program, the charges he faces for berating a food truck vendor would be dropped, prosecutors said. A Muslim group called it a “sweetheart deal.”

Not only the US government is complicit, but also their judiciary system, a fecking disgrace.
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What does that mean, exactly? He will be taught to declare how people in every conflict deserve to die when he is ordering from a food cart?
 
Giggsyking said:


https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/18/nyregion/hate-crime-food-vendor-nyc.html


Ex-State Dept. Official Ordered to Bias Training After Anti-Muslim Rant
If Stuart Seldowitz completes the program, the charges he faces for berating a food truck vendor would be dropped, prosecutors said. A Muslim group called it a “sweetheart deal.”

Not only the US government is complicit, but also their judiciary system, a fecking disgrace.
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I'd forgotten all about this cnut. No chance he's doing jail time considering his former role in government.
 
Giggsyking said:
You took Bill fecking Maher words as facts, and you accuse others of posting twitter feeds, the audacity you have :lol:
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Calm down. Your opinion on Bill Maher means nothing to me. If I find it appropriate, I will post it again.
 
Giggsy PO said:
Calm down. Your opinion on Bill Maher means nothing to me. If I find it appropriate, I will post it again.
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Bill Maher is stupid, smug wanker at the best of times but that particular section was possibly his worst ever take.
 
Giggsy PO said:
Calm down. Your opinion on Bill Maher means nothing to me. If I find it appropriate, I will post it again.
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Bill Maher, is an expert on international conflicts, specially the ME, I would recommend you to continue using him as a source of information.
 
Dumbstar said:
You don't believe Netanyahu, the parliament, Biden, etc, don't believe in exactly the same thing? I know Biden is Christian by birth but that doesn't change anything.

Through all this 'distraction' of killing countless children has anyone asked how Masjid Al Aqsa is faring? No? Because the Zionists (extremist Christians, like Biden, and extremist Jews) are doing exactly what is foretold in the Qur'an.

Al Aqsa is the prison which these people are destined to open eventually. I'll leave everyone to Google the rest.

Just wanted to bring this up now as we're edging closer and people are beginning to slowly wake up around the world.
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This is one of the wildest takes I've read here and there's been many.

Do you know that this makes you sound exactly like the religious nutcases you're criticizing?
 
That_Bloke said:
This is one of the wildest takes I've read here and there's been many.

Do you know that this makes you sound exactly like the religious nutcases you're criticizing?
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I've been a nut case here for a long time. That post you can ignore but seemed the most logical place to put it in. Should have been in the religion thread so my bad.
 
Amir said:
Christ, who cares what he says? Yeah, those nutters of the messiah and the third temple do exist, just like there are religious loonies everywhere. There's plenty of serious stuff to discuss. This soldier's video is meaningless.
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I would care if i was from gaza and this guy would have a rifle, as he does, pointing at me.

Saying who cares when this guy ia the actual executioner is so insensitive. Is not a nutcase from somewhere juat talking shit. He is killing people under this train of thought
 
Amir said:
Christ, who cares what he says? Yeah, those nutters of the messiah and the third temple do exist, just like there are religious loonies everywhere. There's plenty of serious stuff to discuss. This soldier's video is meaningless.
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Maybe the people he shot care? Those who he killed already probably don't care much, though.
 
4bars said:
I would care if i was from gaza and this guy would have a rifle, as he does, pointing at me.

Saying who cares when this guy ia the actual executioner is so insensitive. Is not a nutcase from somewhere juat talking shit. He is killing people under this train of thought
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maniak said:
Maybe the people he shot care? Those who he killed already probably don't care much, though.
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If you talk to each soldier, you'll get a variety of opinions. At the end of the day, these guys follow orders. It's the people who decide the orders you should be looking at.
 
Amir said:
If you talk to each soldier, you'll get a variety of opinions. At the end of the day, these guys follow orders. It's the people who decide the orders you should be looking at.
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That has to be one of the most naive posts ever on the caf. In every single war soldiers commit crimes, no matter what side they are on and what orders they got.
 
"We are not trying to force them to change their policy."

And why the feck not?

 
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