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There's a few interesting things here but I find the whole thing kinda myopic overall. The argument is basically that vicious civil war, insurgency, blowback, etc. are the consequences of bad planning. Or in their own words, that you can destroy Gaza and kill tens of thousands of civilians and this will merely "have an impact on the feasibility" of plans.
 
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Of course, very few talk about this or the tens of thousands of other Palestinians held hostage in prisons and concentration camps.
 
In tomorrow's episode of contempt for IHL:



"Israeli negotiators who are working on the issue believe the return of Palestinians to northern Gaza is significant leverage that Israel doesn't want to give up as it tries to secure a new hostage deal, a second Israeli official said."
 
Norman Finkelstein on a panel lead by lead the actor Michael Rapaport and screenwriter Lee Kern.

The interview is good, but I've posted this video because at 07:18 begins one of the most chilling things I've seen and heard in my life. Absolutely mind-blowing.

 
I see we're coming closer and closer to irrefutable proof of the executions claim made recently that was so below the IDF to do. Hmm.
 
roseguy64 said:
I see we're coming closer and closer to irrefutable proof of the executions claim made recently that was so below the IDF to do. Hmm.
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They have done it in previous wars, so there's a precedent.

Anyway, I don't see it as something worse than bombing children and snipers killing them and women in the streets which has been documented multiple times and also happened in the West Bank.
 
So what's the deal with the West Bank violence then. Hamas aren't in any meaningful control there, so what excuse are our paragons of democracy wheeling out to justify this latest excessive display of force?
 
Kaos said:
So what's the deal with the West Bank violence then. Hamas aren't in any meaningful control there, so what excuse are our paragons of democracy wheeling out to justify this latest excessive display of force?
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There's some resistance in the West Bank but the situation could get out of hand very quickly.

The Israeli government is also withholding a lot of money that belongs to the PA, so people aren't getting paid and getting frustrated.
 
These people are fecking sniveling worms, it is ridiculous how much more freedom each one of us has than these pieces of shit.
 


Also saw something earlier about a protest to stop the aid which is nowhere near enough of coming into Gaza.
 
maniak said:
Something similar might have actually been talked about. Parody is hard these days.
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David Cameron was actually discussing percentages of collateral damage today with some MP. It sounded so ridiculous, I posted it before but it has been deleted from here.
 
BBC apologizes for report accusing IDF of ‘summary executions’ in the Gaza Strip


24 December 2023

In overnight output we ran a story about Hamas accusing the Israeli army of carrying out summary executions in the Gaza strip. This was a Hamas statement, but although the accusations were attributed and our story contained a response from the Israeli military saying they were unaware of the incident and that Hamas was a terrorist organisation that did not value truth, we had not made sufficient effort to seek corroborating evidence to justify reporting the Hamas claim. We apologise for this mistake.
05/01/2024
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/helpandfeedback/corrections_clarifications/

https://www.timesofisrael.com/bbc-a...-idf-of-summary-executions-in-the-gaza-strip/
 
It wouldn't surprise you if it was real because it is almost literally what the "U.S. liberal" position is.
 
Iker Quesadillas said:
It wouldn't surprise you if it was real because it is almost literally what the administration's position is.
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Think that's very optimistic as I doubt the US are putting any pressure on Israel to reign it in. The US position is to support Israel in its campaign whilst pretending they care.
 
Something to possibly watch in Belgium, from their Deputy PM:



France's ambassador to the UN recently stated that France would support whatever the ICJ outcome is, while the US basically disparaged case entirely. Has the UK made any statement on it? Behind the scenes Israel appears to be attempting political pressure on its allies to publicly reject the case according to this. I wonder if any such public rejections were intended to come before the hearing or after any ICJ ruling, if it's the former then I haven't really seen any such international pressure against it.
 
jadaba said:
Something to possibly watch in Belgium, from their Deputy PM:



France's ambassador to the UN recently stated that France would support whatever the ICJ outcome is, while the US basically disparaged case entirely. Has the UK made any statement on it? Behind the scenes Israel appears to be attempting political pressure on its allies to publicly reject the case according to this. I wonder if any such public rejections were intended to come before the hearing or after any ICJ ruling, if it's the former then I haven't really seen any such international pressure against it.
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They follow the same position as the US while trying to appear slightly a bit more humane. They do of course still supply Israel with weapons.

"Lord Cameron said he did not agree with South Africa's claim.

Speaking during his first grilling by MPs since joining the House of Lords, the former prime minister said: "I don't think that is helpful, I don't agree with it, I don't think it's right".

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-67929003
 
For those who can manage to watch videos longer than the usual 2 minutes long Twitter ones, here's a very good documentary about the Israeli settlers, their history, their beliefs, their mindset, their methods, their violence. There actually are 500,000 of them in the West Bank and 220,000 in East Jerusalem.

You'll then realize how deep the rabbit hole goes and how the successive Israeli governments, no matter their political stance, have allowed and encouraged land theft with total impunity since 1967. Also utter the hypocrisy and complicity of the western countries who support and finance Israel, perfectly knowing what's happening there and never reporting about it.

 
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So a few pages later, anyone still having the nerve to deny this is genocide?
 
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