This is just nonsense.
Israel-Palestine | Genocide in Gaza
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This is just nonsense.
I've attended music festivals a number of times too and I can't say I associate them with "peace" in any way.
But again, this goes into propaganda. You can control empathy. You can push people to put themselves in your shoes, but not the other person's.
I have a related/unrelated question. Was the Bahrain referendum seem as fair, or 'decided' by the British imperialists? Would modern day Iran have a valid claim?
And just to keep it on topic, if you've seen any Israeli polling lately, bibi is done. You might get to see him in jail after all. https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveb...-netanyahu-imploding-gantz-taking-the-rudder/
I think peace may be a bit overstated, but they were ostensibly outdoor clubbers/festival goers there to peacefully have a good time.
100%. you've posted some brilliant, level-headed posts in this thread. thanks for that.
theres a possibility Hezbollah are just biding their time. Israel military resources will be stretched by ground invasion of gaza and the need to keep control of the west bank. More troops required at the latter to keep a lid on israeli settlers concerns about saftey and security
Russia found in Ukraine just how difficult urban warfare is. Isreal will lose many of their soldiers in a ground offensive in gaza, just as will hamas in repelling them. If your hezbollah, you sit and wait, let israel get entrenched in a ground war, have their resources stretched and then make your move. Whatever that is.
I hope that hezbollah just stay out of this conflict entirely as we really dont need it escalting any further. Theres been enough loss of innocent life on both sides.
May Palestine be free
Apparently Iran have just warned israel to stop according to al-jalzeera. Looks like hezbollah could be getting involved after all.
Iran has warned Israel to immediately halt its “war crimes” against Gaza or it could face “a huge earthquake” of resistance.
Iran has warned Israel to immediately halt its “war crimes” against Gaza or it could face “a huge earthquake” of resistance.
This isn't Call of Duty I'm afraid. Gaza is too hostile and densely populated, those kind of units still need to be able to develop targets and there is no way in a place like that. There is no way of clearing Hamas out without significant casualties.
That said about Gaza, I think the only thing keeping the leadership safe in Qatar is politics.
On a slight tangent, what happened or do you think will happen now to the plans by netanyahu for the planned judicial reforms that caused so many protests in israel?
I'm in no way justifying the attack on a music festival. Or any attack for that matter.
I get your point about Glastonbury. You simply don't go out to these events to end up what is being reported.
The issue is about the reporting and making things up, for want of a better word.
Let me give you an example. The music event organisers (Brazilian I believe) have stated earlier that the site of the festival was a last minute decision as the original site was no longer an option. Similarly parents have reported that even their kids didn't know about the venue until 3 hours before.
Yet the headline is Hamas targets teenagers in music Festival with plans made up months ago.
They are already shelved; essentially dead in the water. Don't think they'll ever happen.
The invasion and bombing are unforgivable. Israel are a disgrace.
"He hit me first sir".
Only Israel can resolve this, but they're determined to behave like children.
"He hit me first sir".
Only Israel can resolve this, but they're determined to behave like children.
Ok if its too densly populated to do that. Then just take out the leadership of hamas abroad. When one gets replaced take out the next one and the one after that. Scare the crap out of anyone who wants to become a 'leader' in hamas. The message will be clear, doesnt matter if your in Qatar, bangkok, brasil. Wherever you are we will find you and take you out.
Im curious as to what sort of political manouvering is keeping Mossad on a short leach.
Footage shows moments before and after Israeli airstrike hits civilian convoy fleeing Gaza
Youtube video from the guardian's page (heavily censored)
Youtube video from the guardian's page (heavily censored)
Thanks. I try to be as fair as possible and I've worried about giving the impression that I wasn't.
This is literally hell on earth. If hell is a place that didn't exist, it does now. IDF does not recognize Palestinians as people anymore.
Is it? So the British Instigated coup against Farouk and CIA favourite Gamal Nasser installed. To be replaced by the other stooge Sadat is news to you?
People will still find collateral damage excuses for this. They also bombed the Rafah crossing a few days ago, where they apparently told people to go to evacuate.
It's pretty much weeding them out and leading them into a trap. Now they want Palestinians to evacuate before they even consider ending the bombing but who will want to evacuate now? I'm seeing a trend here.
I hope this is no longer the case. Dangerous thinking.
Highly unlikely that's an airstrike or artillery strike. Looks dodgy as feck. More unverified information from "journalists"
If you have Arab neighbors go out and kill them..dear God
Hezbollah are the most powerful non state army in the world. They held their own against IDF in previous engagements.
Noob question, is hezbollah commanded by lebanon or iran? Who has the ultimate control over them and who they strike?
I googled him because the video looked surreal. Apparently that's a 95 (!!!) years' old person who joined the Israeli reserves.
He has a history of supporting the right-leaning side of the map in Palestina even before the Jewish state was founded.
What they're going to do with someone that old I don't know. Maybe he's there to lecture... heh.
Genuinely no idea what you’re on about but have to tag my man @Kaos for his response to the idea Nasser was a Western/Israeli/CIA stooge. Whatever alternative history you’re into there is very amusing.
It’s more accurate to say Iran commands Hizballah, and Hizballah commands Lebanon. Though of course that is a slight caricature.
Isn't this current course of action putting Israeli citizens in even more danger? There will be retaliation as a result of what has been happening and maybe that could have been avoided if the response was more strategic instead of barbaric?
Lebanon the country is not part of the equation.
Nasrallah acts either as he sees fit or in complete accordance with Iran.
It's hard to tell exactly just how great the symbiosis between Iran and its proxies (Hezb. and Hamas) actually is.
But Iran definitely trains Hezb. fighters, finances them, etc...
I tend to believe that Nasrallah won't do shit without being given the nod from Iran.
No, they probably plan to ethnically cleanse Gaza of enough Palestinians to make mowing the lawn more manageable. There won't be retaliation, because eventually what's left of Hamas will learn, that the harder you hit Israel, the harder Israel will hit back. The plan seems to be to strike a death blow to any remaining Palestinian hopes of statehood, dignity, or retaliation. Once you reach critical mass and are powerful enough, you can do what you like.
And they would argue that this is strategic and the most expedient way to cleanse Gaza of terrorists, and if it was barbaric you'd see far more deaths. Israelis are only in danger if the enemy has the capability to strike back. Their argument is that they are removing that capability in the most expedient way.
In what possible scenario is it Lebanon?
Edit - sorry that was rude. Lebanon has very little control over anything unfortunately.
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I think it's the sheer amount of (by definition, innocent) children killed by Israeli action far far outweighs the amount killed by Palestine. And has done for decades. So I think many view the Israeli actions as far worse. We just see a lot less of the dead Palestinian kids.
Assassinating a person under protection of a country in that country is not going to go down well. They didn't choose to hide in Qatar for fun, its a big ally of the US.
A strategic response is out of the window.
Besides the need/want for revenge,
The thinking would be that there is no way to wipe Hamas off the face of the earth if you use a strategic response. Why do you need to wipe Hamas off the face of earth, and not make do with something less dramatic?
opinions will divide on this one, but the prevalent Israeli standpoint that I most often hear is that,
If you only go so far, if you let Hamas be after the war ends and let them recover [no matter if it takes Hamas 2, 5 or 10 years to get back to the strength, both politically and militantly, it has now],
this will mean that no single Israeli will agree to get back to living in those places near Gaza, and also places a bit north than that, that are still considered to be southern-Israel.
People won't trust the Army, won't trust the most sophisticated fence imaginable to defend them from being murdered in their beds or getting kidnapped again in the future.
It'll also mean that no Israelis will agree to live in the places right next to the border with Lebanon, fearing the same and much much worse, because Hezbollah is much more potent than Hamas (and seeing as Hamas shocked Israel with its capabilities, the thinking would be that Hezbollah are also much more dangerous than what one allows themselves to think).
So, seeing as the destruction of Hamas is the only option according to the viewpoint I described above, how do you go about that?
Air strikes, as destructive and deadly as they are, won't make Hamas gone for good. Civilians will die in abundance, and infrastructures will crash, but nothing more than that. What we've seen up to now in Gaza doesn't change much from Hamas's perspective.
They are not destabilized by dead children and flattened neighborhoods.
You want to topple them, you do what the US did with Saddam Hussein. You go in there, you kill all their top figures...
And then you're fecked beyond belief because you have to handle the mess that'll ensue.
Oh come on man. What have you possibly seen in thousands of years of violence in Israel/Palestine that leads you to believe that if one side hits hard enough the other side will give up? The absolute opposite of that is proved, year upon year.
I said "they would argue" and "their argument"
thanks for explaining
I've quoted the start to your message, which was what i was responding to.
You only use the word argue/argument in the paragraph after the para in which this appears, referring to what seems to be other points of view. It wasn't quite clear how much weight that second paragraph was carrying!
I've read some crazy takes in this thread but this is something else. Either my guy was a 4d chess genius (he was an avid chess player after all) or I've completely misunderstood the premise behind pan-Arabism.