Israel - Iran and regional players | Please post respectfully and stay on topic

YouOnlyLiveTwice said:
I don't see what Hezbollah are gaining from this conflict right now. A deal for peace with Israel would maybe be the rational decision at this point, for their own and the Lebanese people sake.
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So you are blaming the Lebanese!

You can lie without backing up your claims. But you will eventually need to back it up with some evidence.

 
Giggsyking said:
So you are blaming the Lebanese!

You can lie without backing up your claims. But you will eventually need to back it up with some evidence.

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I never blamed the Lebanese for anything. I'm saying that Israel will not care about casualties to Lebanese people in its fight against Hezbollah, so surely it would be best for them to make peace before Israel invade.
 
YouOnlyLiveTwice said:
I never blamed the Lebanese for anything. I'm saying that Israel will not care about casualties to Lebanese people in its fight against Hezbollah, so surely it would be best for them to make peace before Israel invade.
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Peace isn't happening. Hezbollah will demand Israel leave all the occupied territories, and Israel will demand Hezbollah cease to exist.
 
I hope hezbollah doesnt escalate the situation while israel can keep going doing the feck they want
 
AfonsoAlves said:
BoTh SiDeS.

Guys, why are we so biased?! Why does everyone only blame the Germans in WWII but nobody talks about the Allied atrocities! It's not fair and you're all biased!
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Godwin's Law.
 
4bars said:
I hope hezbollah doesnt escalate the situation while israel can keep going doing the feck they want
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Yep, Hezbollah should call it a day and sue for peace. We need to get back to the regional stability of the US and Israel genociding the Palestinians in peace, while they continue to build more settlements. Its also only fair that the displaced Israelis are allowed to return to their homes in the occupied territories too. Hopefully with the international community silenced, they can also build some more luxury holiday homes in the West Bank and Gaza too since its their god given right.

The sooner the US can go back to lecturing us on the nefarious ambitions of Russia and China without being labelled hypocrites the better.
 
Kaos said:
Yep, Hezbollah should call it a day and sue for peace. We need to get back to the regional stability of the US and Israel genociding the Palestinians in peace, while they continue to build more settlements. Its also only fair that the displaced Israelis are allowed to return to their homes in the occupied territories too.

The sooner the US can go back to lecturing us on the nefarious ambitions of Russia and China without being labelled hypocrites the better.
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"Occupied" territories? I dont understand. It had been always Judea
 
YouOnlyLiveTwice said:
Israel will not care about casualties to Lebanese people in its fight against Hezbollah, so surely it would be best for them to make peace before Israel invade.
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It's a different terrain. Hezbollah would not be able to and probably would not seek to use its own population (willing or otherwise) as human shields for propaganda purposes, and Lebanon is not Gaza. Israel already invaded Lebanon and paid a high price. Would they really want to do it again? Yes they destroyed the PLO but they simply got replaced. The only value of this is to draw Iran into open war with America before a Trump presidency destabilises their Washington back-up. Not sure Iran are dumb enough to play that game.
 
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4bars said:
"Occupied" territories? I dont understand. It had been always Judea
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My mistake. Its 'contested', in the sense that the Palestinians merely existing there is a contesting reality that conflicts with Israel's biblical claim to all the territory. Considering they have an undisputed right to defend themselves, I'd also let them stretch their undeclared border to Lebanon, Syria and Jordan too.
 
glazed said:
It's a different terrain. Hezbollah would not be able to and probably would not seek to use its own population (willing or otherwise) as human shields for propaganda purposes, and Lebanon is not Gaza. Israel always invaded Lebanon and paid a high price. Would they really want to do it again? Yes they destroyed the PLO but they simply got replaced. The only value of this is to draw Iran into open war with America before a Trump presidency destabilises their Washington back-up. Not sure Iran are dumb enough to play that game.
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So you have a hard on about drawing Iran to a war. And sad that iran doesnt take the bait....checks out
 
4bars said:
So you have a hard on about drawing Iran to a war. And sad that iran doesnt take the bait....checks out
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Not sure what this random personal attack has to do with anything I said. You're lucky the mods here are so one sided since there's nothing respectful about your post.

But yes if you're going to have war with Iran it would be better to do it before Trump becomes President. He's almost certainly a Russian asset (in my personal opinion) and therefore an Iranian one.
 
glazed said:
Not sure what this random personal attack has to do with anything I said. You're lucky the mods here are so one sided since there's nothing respectful about your post.

But yes if you're going to have war with Iran it would be better to do it before Trump becomes President. He's almost certainly a Russian asset (in my personal opinion) and therefore an Iranian one.
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You realise Trump is an ultra-Zionist shill right? This was the candidate that calls his opponents 'Palestinian' as if it were a derogatory accusation. His son in law also has a hard on for turning the ruins of Gaza into beachfront condos. Don't you worry, if he becomes president he'll ensure he'll have buttered himself nicely and have those kneepads firmly fastened when he makes his obligatory visit to AIPAC.
 
glazed said:
Not sure what this random personal attack has to do with anything I said. You're lucky the mods here are so one sided since there's nothing respectful about your post.

But yes if you're going to have war with Iran it would be better to do it before Trump becomes President. He's almost certainly a Russian asset (in my personal opinion) and therefore an Iranian one.
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Have you considered that if you think everywhere you go smells bad, maybe check yourself for BO?
 
VorZakone said:
https://abcnews.go.com/Internationa...rs-exploded-lebanon-source/story?id=113851347
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At first I wasn't going to believe this, but with the rumours that Israel pulled the switch in haste after Hezbollah members started to find out about the explosives, it would seem that they had this as an endgame plan in case they went into a full on war like in 2006, where they were embarrassed by Hezbollah. This attack in that type of situation would've had a much greater effect than right now. Now the Hezbollah members can recover and regroup by the time Israel launches another invasion (or maybe they're going to hurry that now).

To be honest, planning 20 years and doing the attack at this point seems like a massive waste of effort unless Israel does launch an invasion right now. It seems to be for pure optics than anything.
 
Kaos said:
You realise Trump is an ultra-Zionist shill right?
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Trump is more complex that that. He thinks Jews owe him for the Abraham Accords and he feel betrayed. And he won't do anything that draws the US into a big war or pisses off Putin. He's corrupt and erratic. If I were Israel I would rather have President Harris even if parts of her party are a bit soft on Hamas. At least she will turn up if the war gets hot.

AfonsoAlves said:
Have you considered that if you think everywhere you go smells bad, maybe check yourself for BO?
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It's not everywhere. Just in some places where one point of view seems to thrive while others not so much. It's such a mystery, isn't it?
 
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Kaos said:
My mistake. Its 'contested', in the sense that the Palestinians merely existing there is a contesting reality that conflicts with Israel's biblical claim to all the territory. Considering they have an undisputed right to defend themselves, I'd also let them stretch their undeclared border to Lebanon, Syria and Jordan too.
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No jeddah and hijaz?
 
glazed said:
Trump is more complex that that. He thinks Jews owe him for the Abraham Accords and he feel betrayed. And he won't do anything that draws the US into a big war or pisses off Putin. He's corrupt and erratic. If I were Israel I would rather have President Harris even if parts of her party are a bit soft on Hamas. At least she will turn up if the war gets hot.
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I want Harris to win simply because it's the "right" thing, regardless of her policy regarding Israel... But part of Netanyahu's delaying tactics are probably about waiting for the election and hoping for a Trump win. And, of course, most Israelis would like to see him win (not that it matters as they don't vote).
 
glazed said:
Trump is more complex that that. He thinks Jews owe him for the Abraham Accords and he feel betrayed. And he won't do anything that draws the US into a big war or pisses off Putin. He's corrupt and erratic. If I were Israel I would rather have President Harris even if parts of her party are a bit soft on Hamas. At least she will turn up if the war gets hot.



It's not everywhere. Just in some places where one point of view seems to thrive while others not so much. It's such a mystery, isn't it?
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You could try to go where your POV would thrive like apartheid ethnofascist genocidal groups that finds valuable invading Lebanon to draw Iran in a war
 
Kaos said:
Yeah sure why not. The US would probably be OK with it, as would Mohammed Bonesaw so long as he continues being able to hold Beyonce gigs and boxing fights.
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Only in the Middle East would you get mocked for having a stable country, diversifying income streams and economic development.

No, you should try to liberate Palestine instead. Sure, you’d get crushed, turn your country into rubble and starve what remains of your population, but hey, at least you’d earn the respect of a few more Arabs elsewhere in the region.
 
NYAS said:
Only in the Middle East would you get mocked for having a stable country, diversifying income streams and economic development.

No, you should try to liberate Palestine instead. Sure, you’d get crushed, turn your country into rubble and starve what remains of your population, but hey, at least you’d earn the respect of a few more Arabs elsewhere in the region.
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Yeah agreed mate. Not sure why everyone is all up in arms about whats happening in Palestine. They had it coming for harbouring Hamas and are better off just moving to the Sinai or Jordan, or just dying. Let Israel homogenise the territory and turn it into an idyllic ethno-state.

Saudi Arabia should definitely be the template for all Arab states going forward.
 
NYAS said:
Only in the Middle East would you get mocked for having a stable country, diversifying income streams and economic development.

No, you should try to liberate Palestine instead. Sure, you’d get crushed, turn your country into rubble and starve what remains of your population, but hey, at least you’d earn the respect of a few more Arabs elsewhere in the region.
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This is one of the most disingenuous, disgusting takes I've ever read in this thread and there's been some.

Give your head a fecking wobble.
 
Kaos said:
Yeah agreed mate. Not sure why everyone is all up in arms about whats happening in Palestine. They had it coming for harbouring Hamas and are better off just moving to the Sinai or Jordan, or just dying. Let Israel homogenise the territory and turn it into an idyllic ethno-state.

Saudi Arabia should definitely be the template for all Arab states going forward.
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That won’t work on me. I’m an Arab who lives in the Middle East. Look at my post history in the Israel-Palestine thread. My position regarding the genocidal war machine is pretty clear.

However, the US is the only country in the world that has any influence on the Israelis.

Within that context, what do you propose the Saudis do?
 
That_Bloke said:
This is one of the most disingenuous, disgusting takes I've ever read in this thread and there's been some.

Give your head a fecking wobble.
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Wouldn’t be the first time you’ve come in all guns blazing and ended up apologising for misunderstanding. Not interested in discussing this with you.
 
NYAS said:
Wouldn’t be the first time you’ve come in all guns blazing and ended up apologising for misunderstanding. Not interested in discussing this with you.
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There's no misunderstanding.

Not apologizing on this one and not interested either.
 
NYAS said:
That won’t work on me. I’m an Arab who lives in the Middle East. Look at my post history in the Israel-Palestine thread. My position regarding the genocidal war machine is pretty clear.

However, the US is the only country in the world that has any influence on the Israelis.

Within that context, what do you propose the Saudis do?
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I'm not proposing they do anything. I don't care about their feudalistic kingdom frankly. I was replying to another post in jest.

But to answer it seriously, I'd prefer the Arab states grow a backbone and insist on there being no prospect of recognition of an Israeli state until the foundation of a Palestinian one. Better yet if there was an collective appetite for sanctioning and isolating them too, but I won't hold my breath for that reality.
 
Kaos said:
I'm not proposing they do anything. I don't care about their feudalistic kingdom frankly. I was replying to another post in jest.

But to answer it seriously, I'd prefer the Arab states grow a backbone and insist on there being no prospect of recognition of an Israeli state until the foundation of a Palestinian one. Better yet if there was an collective appetite for sanctioning and isolating them too, but I won't hold my breath for that reality.
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This is the Saudi position though. And apart from the UAE and Bahrain, normalisation isn’t even on the cards for most of the other non-border Arab states.

We sadly have almost no power or leverage to use in this situation apart from aid and mediation. Even the oil embargo decades ago ultimately failed to yield any real lasting results.
 
That_Bloke said:
This is one of the most disingenuous, disgusting takes I've ever read in this thread and there's been some.

Give your head a fecking wobble.
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Actual Arab from Middle East doesn't want to be cannon fodder in the Islamist/Euroleft's crusade and gets a telling off from keyboard warrior in Germany. Seen it all now.
 
Kaos said:
I'm not proposing they do anything. I don't care about their feudalistic kingdom frankly. I was replying to another post in jest.

But to answer it seriously, I'd prefer the Arab states grow a backbone and insist on there being no prospect of recognition of an Israeli state until the foundation of a Palestinian one. Better yet if there was an collective appetite for sanctioning and isolating them too, but I won't hold my breath for that reality.
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Syria and Iraq have been taken care of by the leaders of the free world, on behalf of those who got more than half of their politicians on their payroll.

The oil monarchies in the region have zero interest in it, Saudi Arabia being the worst offender and the greatest traitor to the Palestinian cause.

Jordan and Egypt sold themselves out 50 years ago. The UAE and Bahrain signed the Abraham Accords fully knowing that it would be the death of Palestine, and Saudi Arabia was on its way to when 10/7 happened.

They don't have the military power, but with their oil and their financial might, they'd have enough leverage. United, they would be a powerful voice and could wreck the West's economy, but the reality is that they don't want it to happen. The rest is just excuses.

All that's left in the region opposing the Israel/US hegemony are Lebanon (understand Hezbollah) and Iran.
 
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glazed said:
Actual Arab from Middle East doesn't want to be cannon fodder in the Islamist/Euroleft's crusade and gets a telling off from keyboard warrior in Germany. Seen it all now.
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You in particular. Don’t dare use me for your sick agenda.
 
glazed said:
Actual Arab from Middle East doesn't want to be cannon fodder in the Islamist/Euroleft's crusade and gets a telling off from keyboard warrior in Germany. Seen it all now.
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Don't you ever dare to mention me, you repulsive troll.
 
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That_Bloke said:
Syria and Irak have been taken care of by the leaders of the free world, on behalf of those who have more than half of their politicians on their payroll.

The oil monarchies in the region have zero interest in it, Saudi Arabia being the worst offender and the greatest traitor to the Palestian cause. Jordan and Egypt sold themselves out 50 years ago.

The UAE and Bahrain signed the Abraham Accords fully knowing that it would be the death of Palestine, and Saudi Arabia was on its way to, when 10/7 happened.

They don't have the military power, but with their oil and their financial might, they'd have enough leverage. United, they would be a powerful voice and could wreck the West's economy, but the reality is that they don't want it to happen. The rest is just excuses.

All that's left in the region opposing the Israel/US hegemony are Lebanon (understand Hezbollah) and Iran.
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The problem lies in the fact that irans tactics for opposing western influence is to quite literally sow chaos and anarchy and factional infighting in otherwise functional countries. It has created a shit tonne of resentment in the Arab world.

Whilst the west is critical of Saudi Arabia for the Yemeni crisis, much of the Arab world blames Iran.

Irans idea of hegemonic opposition is to give militiamen ballistic missiles to fire at population centres who are also Muslims and not even western.

Ultimately this is a bit of an own goal. Take for example Syria, which is ruled by the Alawi who have a natural disposition towards Iranian Shia’s despite being much more secular in nature. Well after the way Iranian proxies “assisted” bashar, they’ve alienated most of the Syrian population.

Irans geopolitical strategy should have been to provide an alternative power base to the American led system and try to bridge sectarian divides, instead it alienates its potential Arab partners by having its militiamen running around causing chaos and anarchy.
 
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