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If the UN would vote a resolution to feck you in the ass you might want to fight back. Giving 55% of the land to a 30% population of europeans that never lived in israel over others that lived by generations...how fair is that?
Also ben gurion said:
Partition: “after the formation of a large army in the wake of the establishment of the state, we will abolish partition and expand to the whole of Palestine “
So even with the mostly favorable resolution they were acting in bad faith to get the whole territory
Also the UN resolution says that jerusalem shoudnt be the capital of israel. Also the UN says that the settlements in the west bank, also the UN says that should have a ceasefire
So only cherrypick the resolution that favours?
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So the Iranian media say that General Zahedi designed and implemented the Al-Aqsa storm (the massacres in October). But Caf says that Israeli started this by killing him.
https://www.mizanonline.ir/fa/news/4766444/تجلیل-شورای-ائتلاف-از-نقش-شهید-زاهدی-در-اجرای-عملیات-طوفانالاقصی
https://www.mizanonline.ir/fa/news/4766444/تجلیل-شورای-ائتلاف-از-نقش-شهید-زاهدی-در-اجرای-عملیات-طوفانالاقصی
Oh well if Iranian media says so
Why do you think Israel killed him?
I have no idea, but I wouldn't put it past them to do it because it escalates tensions with Iran (obviously) and ultimately helps Netanyahu stay in power (which he might not do for very long as soon as the situation has "normalized").
Pretty much everyone knew that Iran was behind Hamas' attack. Israel kills that guy, whom Iran admits was the main person behind it.
Iran is a bit like Russia. When they say that they want Israel/Ukraine's destruction, there is no need to come up with alternative fan fiction that it was for some other reasons (like Ukraine not entering NATO). It is an evil regime that is happy to kill its own people who do protest against them.
It was mainly the word rape which I didn't believe. Russian doing it in the Ukraine but I can't remember having read about Israeli soldiers or settlers raping Palestinian women.
Regarding the West Bank settlements it's an major mistake that the Israel governments let it happen.
Do you believe Hamas had no significant backing within Gaza? How could the built all the tunnels, if the population didn't back, assemble and stockpile ten thousands of weapons and missiles, established headquarters in many pubic places, infiltrate NGO like UNRWA, if they had no strong backing within the population? What about the street celebrations after the attacks of October 7th?
Western allies justified the heavy carpet bombing of German cities, because the German population either supported or quietly tolerated the Nazi regime.
If you apply the same logic to Gaza, the population there isn't innocent either.
Agree it doesn't change anything. However, it shows that both sides made a lot of mistakes and committed atrocities. And honestly I don't see any solution for lasting peace in the foreseeable future. Too much hate and mistrust on both sides.
What's fair in this world? I'm sure in hindsight the Palestinians would be happy today to have such option.
Germany lost over 50% of it's territory after WW 2. Italy or Japan didn't lose much of their homeland territory. Fair?
To kill that guy they attacked Iran's embassy (which is out of order in diplomacy) in another country and killed dozen people while doing so. Both regimes are evil. One is killing own people, other will bomb hospital full of children because one terrorist is inside.
I do not see much difference between Israel killing this guy and the US killing Soleimani. Yep, if you kill people in other countries, you might get killed in another country too.
You don't see a problem where killing one enemy is worth of killing dozen people with him?
You haven't answered the question. Which suggests to me you accept Israel won't seek peace and stability in the absence of Iranian meddling, which in turn tells me you're happy with the status quo of Palestinian suffering and for Israel to persist with their aggressive posturing.
You're also completely wrong about Israel not starting any wars.
Makes sense since they have the innate desire to commit ethnic cleansing, genocide and extra judicial assassinations instead, while big daddy has their back covered.
I'll be honest he ousted me out. I always assumed the Red in RedCafe was a glorious ode to Mao and Stalinist Russia but annoyingly ended up in a Manchester United supporters forum. But its given me a good way to kill the time in between attending the Corbyn led hate marches.
The vast majority of them were IRGC members (and high ones including his deputy).
Israel should realize it needs its allies and shouldn't alienate them.
Same point made recently by the anti-occupation Molad think tank - Who needs the United States and the West?
Part 3 of a 10-part series.
I'd say cruise missiles. Ballistic missiles are unpowered at the end of their flight so they look more like space debris and are much faster.
It was a hypothetical question asked by somebody else. Im not interested in getting into the politics of all this on here but the military side interests me and is something I have a little knowledge of.
Exactly. Said this as soon as the attacks started last night, its a face saving exercise that would have been pre agreed with the US and possibly even Israel. There will be no further escalation beyond a small strike or two to again save face.
I do think Israel and the US would love an excuse to attack Iran's nuclear facilities though, and that would probably be a good thing.
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Fantastic link. Thanks a lot for sharing.
I gave my view. As long as the mullahs rule Iran and have the destruction of Israel as their primary agenda there won't be peace.
If they are gone there is chance of peace. Nobody knows the future, Netanjahu will be gone soon and hopefully the Israelis vote a better government.
It doesn't matter how well you think things were telegraphed by the Iranians, the fact is no air defence system is perfect and there is always a chance things can go wrong. This might have been a "PR move" (what a trite phrase that is in this context) but that relies on Israel (who have been under attack by Iranian proxies) accepting it as such.
This was after all a direct, large scale attack on Israel itself, which arguably lowers the bar to the same thing happening again.
What it did do however, was draw out how much regional anti Iranian support Israel has, from the Saudis and Jordanians, and Iran won't have enjoyed that.
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And what if no peace comes along and Israel continues its colonial strangehold, taking more Palestinian territories? Do you just shrug your shoulders and accept it because 'bad luck'? You're placing a lot of stock for peace on removing Iran and Netanyahu from the equation, whereas historical precedence has suggested Israel has a deep rooted problem with treatment of the Palestinians and aggressive settler activity preceding all of the aforementioned.
Do you think if the Palestinian issue was resolved tomorrow, Iran would stop threatening Israel? I don't.
Probably not, but does that justify Israel's status quo? It would certainly weaken Iran's resolve considering they're banking on Palestinian suffering being a galvanising cause for their supporters to rally behind. Its a little tame if the Palestinians finally achieve a fair and just statehood.
Really good. Thanks
I'm not sure Iran has an interest in seeing a resolution of the Palestinian issue anyway. Why would they want to give up what is., from their perspective, a great way of destabilising a regional rival.?
I can understand why people see what happened last night as "theatre", but you do realise that those Israeli defence systems were never tested against anything close to this? Even with the support of the USA, Britain, France and Jordan - there was no way you could tell that the damage will be so minimal. Israel wouldn't have know it, not to mention Iran.
Netanyahu less aggressive than the military officials.
The problem is that the attack cost Iran very little and cost Israel and its allies a billion dollars. This is asymmetric warfare. Has Iran thrown more at it plus not warned them in advance of the exact timing plus set Hezbollah to attack mode, Israel would have been is serious difficulties. Should America stop supporting them, they would be incredibly vulnerable to actual military defeat. Whereas Iran is backed by the other CRINK countries and cannot be isolated by western sanctions as it has been in the past.
I would say Israel has a major problem right now. The whole Gaza operation is unsustainable because America won't support it, and yet Hamas has survived. I'd call that a long term defeat. And whatever you think about Gaza, their defeat is our defeat (unless you are a tanky or an islamist.)
That's precisely my point. A (fair) resolution to the Palestinian situation weakens Iran's moral and power leverage, and is a path that benefits everyone (except the Mullahs and Israeli supremacists).
$2B? USD? No feckin way.
Where the feck are some of you getting your numbers from?
It costs Israel and its allies "Billions?"
Can someone do the breakdown for me please? @glazed
It costs Israel and its allies "Billions?"
Can someone do the breakdown for me please? @glazed
Of course not. Even if we assume 300 drones at 50K each, that is still just 15M. Add the missiles and it will likely still be in the tens of millions.
Israel's defense would have been around 1B making this type of war unsustainable for Israel. So a strong message to Iran, in one way or another, is necessary. I think Israel missed a trick yesterday, if they attacked back then, I think they would have got a lot more sympathy than say 2 weeks from now.
Israel's claim (4-5B shekels): https://www.ynetnews.com/article/h16o8qtea
4B shekels is $1.06B. 5B shekels is $1.33B.