Im pretty sure Saddam would go about doing what Saddam wanted regardless of being sold weapons from the US, France etc. The fact that he invaded Kuwait showed that he wasn't a US puppet. The support though is another famous blotch on western foreign policy in the region though.
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Im pretty sure Saddam would go about doing what Saddam wanted regardless of being sold weapons from the US, France etc. The fact that he invaded Kuwait showed that he wasn't a US puppet. The support though is another famous blotch on western foreign policy in the region though.
That doesnt take the fact that US helped him an emboldened him to be more effective with technology and tactical information that help them to kill iranians with illegal chemical weapons
The support is there in the declasified CIA documents, so qualify it of puppet or useful idiot. Whatever. US heloed saddam first and then he took advantage of some of the toys for kuwait. US Had been involved in +90 (being conservative of the conflicts in the middle east since 70s. Directly or indirectly stirring the shit pot
Iran might have well thrown 300 paper aeroplanes at Israel. They announced they would retaliate, and clearly briefed at the very least the US before doing so. They knew full well that Israel's defence systems would deal with their attack. It was absolutely purely symbolic to save face and show their countrymen and women that they wouldn't sit idle and do nothing. You're looking at the amount of drones and missiles rather than their capabilities or the chance of them actually causing any damage, whilst also not accepting the targets they chose if any were to get through. Iran doesn't want a war and as they said themselves, in their eyes the matter is concluded. If Israel decides to retaliate again and escalate things further than that is 100% on them as will be the resulting shitshow from them doing so.
They attacked a consulate and say they killed their targets (of which I have seen no proof) and they also killed civilians too. If Iran had done that first then Israel would have pounded Iran back to the stone age along with support from their mates the US and their lapdog the UK.
You won't find me singing praises of US foreign policy in the middle east. When i saw Rambo 3 I thought it was quite cool watching Rambo take out the Soviet invaders with the Muhajedeen though.
When you believe even Saddam Hussein was nothing more than a useful idiot, you might want to start thinking about your worldview.
Israel needs to not retaliate now and this whole thing will die down. If they do then it’s back on.
Hopefully cool (non warmongering) heads will prevail.
Hopefully cool (non warmongering) heads will prevail.
Exactly. But Nutty Netenyahu........ Who knows?
Not really. Just cause Israel's defense was so good, doesn't mean that we should pretend that the attack didn't happen. For a start, the defense yesterday cost Israel over a billion dollars, far more than what the attack cost Iran. Obviously, in the long term, it is not sustainable for Israel to only defend whenever Ayatallah Khamenei has a wank over the thought of killing Jews and then decides to throw rockets at Israel.
Having a political outlook that firing hundreds of missiles and drones at Israel as being square is like repeatly shooting your nemesis, but we’re cool though because you were wearing a vest.
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Who is pretending it didn't happen? Israel attacked a consulate and killed civilians. Iran responded, mildly at best and declared it beforehand. It was symbolic to save face with their population. Who gives a feck what it cost? The US and UK will end up paying for it anyway.
I'm more concerned Israel thinks they can attack others with impunity and strike at will as they have been allowed to in Gaza. Worse is the disgusting response from the US and UK. Again, that's politics, but still.
None of this will ever end unless this bullshit stops and people sit down and actually talk and agree to disagree but at the very least acceptable and respect each other and also agree to stop the bloodshed.
Considering its in Khamenei's twitter bio that his mission is to destroy Israel i doubt people will sit down and agree to disagree.
Yeah, but that should be ignored. Iran arming Hamas who then killed 1300 Jews in Israel also should be ignored. Iran arming and controlling Hezbollah who fires every day at Israel should be ignored. Iran declaring that they want the total destruction of Israel should be ignored. And when they try the most massive attack they ever did, it should also be ignored.
But if Israel counter-strikes, that is the time to call for de-escalation, and to blame Israel for starting this.
When and where did that happened?
If true that Israeli had total control, please explain how Hamas could stockpile ten thousand of rockets and weapons and built a sophisticated tunnel system of hundreds of kilometers length?
Do you really believe Hamas ever wanted peace? Peace would be the end to their existence.
Do you really believe Hamas cares more about the civilians in Gaza than Netanjahu? Their leaders sit in Qatar and live the comfortable life of millionaires while their people are starving and dying.
It cannot escape people's attention that there is a war going on and we're in it. Iran, Russia and China are profound allies - Iranian drones are what's defeating the Ukranians - the same drones the RAF, IDF and USAF were shooting out of the sky last night. Chinese money and technology underpins both regimes. At the end of the day the people who lose this war are going to have a very bad time indeed and we need to make sure it's them and not us.
By your logic, any Israeli 'consulate' in the world is now fair game for Palestinians to hit due to what Israel has done in Gaza. Would you salute that too?
Just to be clear I believe no consulate should be targeted, regardless of which country it belongs to and whose in it.
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Was it really just a consulate with civilian staff or was a headquarter disguised as a consulate of the IRGC assembling a Hisbollah like terrorist group in Syria?
If the latter, Israel hat all the right to hit the building.
It was as much a consulate as Iran's nuclear program is peaceful and civilian.
I think a designated consulate isn't ever allowed to be targeted, but of course, rules don't apply to terrorist states
Israel is worse than Russia?
Hard to have a real discussion with such replies.
Only so much. The Palestinians are very lucky it isn't Putin and the Russian who they face in Gaza.
I don't think people get how close the embassy is to civillians filled buildings, and 2 civillians did die in the attack, a mother and her son.
It was a consulate.
Is the UK and the US fair game because they are arming Israel to kill 15000 child in Gaza?
Man, just give up, you clearly know nothing about embassies and consulates, almost every fecking embassy in the world has an attaché, and in many cases military attaché, do you think the US embassies inn the middle east has only regular diplomats without military attaché?
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The attack on the consulate wasn't the first time Israel strike either. They are constantly attacking Damascus and they have hit civillian buildings before.
You realise the IRGC are just a branch (the biggest in fact) of the Iranian military? You make it sound like they're some crypto cell operating in secret. And the rest of your post makes no sense considering Hezbollah are already openly active in Syria, at the behest of the Syrian government no less.
And yes it is a consulate, attached adjacent to the official Iranian embassy in Syria. If that constitutes a fair target for you then we might as well do away with the terms of diplomacy and start bombing every embassy/consulate of nations we feel to be adversarial.
Maybe I have the wrong understanding what a consulate actually is. I always believed it's foremost purpose is providing consular services to the public.
If so how come amongst the 16 casualties there 2 high ranking IRGC generals, 5 more IRGC officers, further Iran backed militia fighters, Hezbollah fighter. Were they all there to give consular services?
There is another thread about the Israel-Hamas war on Gaza.
Yep, the 2 high ranking IRGC generals were there discussing about the freedom of movement between Syria and Iran, I guess. Or who knows, their passport might have expired and were there to renew them.
Yes, the Palestinians are very lucky with Netanyahu. They should be grateful.There’s no single actor in the Middle East who has done more to undermine the supposed inviolability of diplomatic missions than Iran.
As the Syrians found out repeatedly. But lucky is a bit of a stretch. The Palestinians are even more unlucky in their allies and leaders than in their enemies. Iran led them up the garden path to start a war on October 7 and then left them in the lurch to be ethnically cleansed by a vengeful Israel. Just like in 1948.
At some point the Corbynista tankies and Islamist apologists that fester in the dark corners of the internet or hide in the anonymity of mass demonstrations, they will have to publicly pick a side in this global war and take the consequences for their jobs and for their lives. Russia, Iran and China are patriarchal dictatorships - the very opposite of what we should stand for. The world is polarising before our eyes. To quote Yeats, the centre cannot hold.
You were posting about the Israel-Hamas conflict in this thread on this exact page, why are you trying to shut people down?
Absolutely.
They are in the process to build a Hezbollah like militia organization in Syria. And yes Israel absolutely has the right to act proactively to prevent this from happening.
These Iran backed terrorist organizations have only one purpose to attack and hurt Israel. As long as these rogue militias exist there won't be peace, not for Palestinians nor Israelis.
Agreed, I'm glad I'm not on the side of those despotic belligerents. Happy to be part of a democracy that champions the virtues of human rights, personal freedoms, freedom of speech, apartheid and genocide.
I have no idea about the numbers and who died in the consulate. I know that 2 Syrian civillians died, I know that there's a big busy hospital right next to the embassy, and I know people who live right next to the consulate who you obviously view as subhuman, otherwise you'd give a feck about their lives and wellbeing.
If anything like this happened in Germany/a neighboring country constantly did airstrikes on Germany, the whole world would take notice and take action. Only the world doesn't think us worthy of the same rights. And you, from the comfortable safe life you have, don't get it.
Where? Quote the post.
You realise the Syrian government are already allied to Iran? What secret militia would they need to build? And like I've said, Hezbollah already have a huge presence in Syria where they operate openly, freely and with the blessing of the Syrian government.
You're right in that Iran's influence needs to be curbed, but its wishful thinking suggesting that their destruction would lead to peace in the region. Let me ask you - if the Islamic Republic ceased to exist overnight, you think the Israelis will have a eureka moment and proceed to operate fairly and peacefully? You think the apartheid, occupation and subjugation of the Palestinians will stop? You think they'll declare their borders? Need I remind you that Israel was still behaving as a colonialist state, inflicting atrocities on the Palestinians long before the Islamic Republic of Iran, Hezbollah or Hamas existed. What makes you so sure they'll behave like a civilised nation the moment those entities disappear?
I know this is off topic but I nearly had a brain aneurysm trying to figure out what was happening here until I doubled checked the usernames.