Isiah Brown..

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Chelsea are apparently trying to sign West Brom's top prospect.

He's 16 so this will probably go to a tribunual. Oddly, he's already training with us despite having not offically signed.

He made his first team debut last season.



Looks a talent and has excellent hair.
 
He's a fool for leaving us to go to Chelsea of all clubs. Arsenal were apparently interested as well which made a degree of sense if he went as at least they do give players a chance, Chelsea offer money but no career progression at all. 10 years Abromovich has been at Chelsea and Ryan Bertrand is the sole academy product that has came through despite spending tens of millions bringing the best youth players in the world in. And even he is only back up left back with a handful of appearences, presumably he'll have to leave if he ever wants to play first team regularly. I can see the temptation for some players who are unsure of their career but he's already in most our first team squads, he'll be lucky to play in the premier league again in the next 5 years now - even if he does well. Frankly I expect him to take the Bostock route.

It really makes a mockery of the EPPP system that it encourages players to join the top clubs. Most of whom haven't produced a player in years. It really only encourages all the best talents in the country to go to Man Utd, Man City, Chelsea, Arsenal, Liverpool, and Spurs for a set fee of 200k. The FA will only have themselves to blame when they somehow manage to make the national team worse by encouraging its best young players to join clubs they'll never play at, its a stupid plan. Man City will go the same way as Chelsea. They're spending a fortune on their academy as well but both clubs somehow fail to realise you eventually have to play those players if you ever want to see them get better. The fact is for clubs with an open chequebook the temptation to spend 25m on a Spanish international with 30 caps will always outweigh any want to play an academy player. How the FA fail to see this I don't know.

West Brom have lost 2 academy players in a matter of days, and are expected to pay 3m a year to uphold category one status in the current plans, despite the current plans making it far easier for bigger clubs to steal all the best players. The clubs already talking about closing the academy if this isn't changed, other clubs aren't happy either, its a disaster for English football that will set England back even further than it already is.
 
to the above, while i agree on most things...can i please make the point that this is a Premier League led initiative. while The FA are on board, the training of young players in England outside of the grassroots game does not sit with The FA - it belongs to clubs. i know it's vogue to bash The FA, but people need to start realising who pulls the strings in certain arenas of footballing life.

as for West Brom, Villa, etc. moaning about this now -- they signed up for EPPP and championed it! how do you think a Torquay or Bristol City feel? both clubs have also lost talented players. funny how it was all fine and dandy until it started hitting their bottom line.

fwiw, Manchester United voted against...
 
I really don't care who signed up for what, it doesn't change the fact that a system that encourages an elite amount of 5 to 6 clubs to horde players is an extremely flawed system that will only end badly for English talents and English football itself. I'm sure Man United weren't voting against it out the goodness of their hearts as well, it'll have been a business reason they voted against it. That and i'm sure loopholes have since been exposed since the vote as i'm sure most clubs wouldn't vote for a system that undervalues their players and makes it easier for them to be stolen.

I'm surprised then that the FA would be in board with something that will only reduce the amount of English players in the league, and increase the age of their debuts.
 
A friend of mine is close friends with his family and he's been telling me about him for years. He recently said that he had offers from all the top clubs but was looking at Chelsea.
 
I'm surprised then that the FA would be in board with something that will only reduce the amount of English players in the league, and increase the age of their debuts.


  1. the point of the system is to introduce more domestic talent into the system.
  2. the age of a Premier League debut has naturally gone up over the years anyway, EPPP has nothing to do with that.
 
  1. the point of the system is to introduce more domestic talent into the system.
  2. the age of a Premier League debut has naturally gone up over the years anyway, EPPP has nothing to do with that.

How will it introduce more domestic talent though? All that appears to be happening is the most talented players get stolen by the biggest clubs who as we know mostly don't really play youth players, a few will obviously get through at other clubs, but the best and most talented, so the players likely to be worth the most money will end up leaving for 200k. Considering it costs 2.5m a year to run a category one academy, a sum that quickly builds up if no one's coming through, I wouldn't be surprised if we see a lot of clubs downgrading in the future.

And related to number one, a system that encourages younger players to bigger clubs will only ever delay their debuts. Look at Brown, do you think he's going to be playing any time soon for Chelsea? In spite of the fact he's already made his debut for us. I don't think there's caps on academy sizes under the new system either.

As usual the premier league rather than getting to the root of the problem just decides that throwing a lot more money at it is the solution.
 
Look forward to seeing his lack of development and game time and moving to a mid table club when he's 22.
 
Turns out West Brom nicked this kid from us and we nicked him back.

Christ I feel old.
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