Has he finally made up with Fergie? Or rather has Fergie forgiven him? Someone who hardly got a place even on the bench is now playing in the main team with all the others. Interesting!!!!!
IS DISCO FINALLY STAYING ?
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Yorke played, scored and performed well in last years friendlies as well. You know what happened next I'm sure.
It's just a way of putting him in the shop window.
It's just a way of putting him in the shop window.
For a debacle, we scored one hell of a lot of goals. Why do people keep blaming the 4-5-1 system? There were still a line of 4 defenders just like under 4-4-2, and it was after all the fault of the defence that we let in so many goals, and thus lost so many matches.
The fans have never had a problem with Yorkey so if he were to stay there'd be no prob from that respect. He'd have to do the goods of course, but would anyone mind seeing that grin back in a starting 11, or at least as sub ?!?
I felt for him last season. Alright he'd been an partying shag meister and deserved to be brought in line, but he came back from pre-season looking fit and playing well only to get the famous Fergy cold shoulder.
If they've sorted things out he'd still be a useful 4th striker <img src="graemlins/smirk.gif" border="0" alt="[Smirk]" />
I felt for him last season. Alright he'd been an partying shag meister and deserved to be brought in line, but he came back from pre-season looking fit and playing well only to get the famous Fergy cold shoulder.
If they've sorted things out he'd still be a useful 4th striker <img src="graemlins/smirk.gif" border="0" alt="[Smirk]" />
Maybe being a father will curb Dwight's partying instincts..... any maybe City will win the league.
If we can get some decent money for him from B@stard Rovers then so be it. He's no spring chicken anymore... bring in some fresh young talent.
Better still use him as bait for some kind of deal for Duff.
If we can get some decent money for him from B@stard Rovers then so be it. He's no spring chicken anymore... bring in some fresh young talent.
Better still use him as bait for some kind of deal for Duff.
from WeasteDevil - For a debacle, we scored one hell of a lot of goals. Why do people keep blaming the 4-5-1 system? There were still a line of 4 defenders just like under 4-4-2, and it was after all the fault of the defence that we let in so many goals, and thus lost so many matches.
really? - 4 0-1 losses at home. the defense is to blame? a 0-0 tie at home the defense is to blame? and the loss to chelsea MU woulda had to clean sheet em to get a point. 6 games at home ZERO goals! maximum of 6 points if MU coulda clean sheeted the comp. hardly the defenses fault in 5 of those matchs.
really? - 4 0-1 losses at home. the defense is to blame? a 0-0 tie at home the defense is to blame? and the loss to chelsea MU woulda had to clean sheet em to get a point. 6 games at home ZERO goals! maximum of 6 points if MU coulda clean sheeted the comp. hardly the defenses fault in 5 of those matchs.
Whats it all about............Alfie 
Defence V's Attack. Does it really matter. You can't single out one from the other, its not on. Yes Ruud deserved a lot more silverware for his goal tally.
However, who remembers every miss and chance that went begging up front. Not many of you, I bet. But you all remember the blunder by Bartez against Arsenal and Wes Brown in Europe.
Being a defender myself (and once a goalie) we understand that we are the last line of defence. We know a mistake usually means we go one down. So give them a break.
There's 11 men out there. They all loose and they all win together.
However, who remembers every miss and chance that went begging up front. Not many of you, I bet. But you all remember the blunder by Bartez against Arsenal and Wes Brown in Europe.
Being a defender myself (and once a goalie) we understand that we are the last line of defence. We know a mistake usually means we go one down. So give them a break.
There's 11 men out there. They all loose and they all win together.
That's way too simplistic IMO Alfie.
So be it. After all, it is a pretty simple game.
On the whole though, I am glad we have decided to strengthen the defence! It was long overdue. Some young talent upfront would be welcome too.
On the whole though, I am glad we have decided to strengthen the defence! It was long overdue. Some young talent upfront would be welcome too.
You can argue as much as you like and use as many examples as you like. What about 4-3 at Newcastle for example, who's fault was that?
bart got beat on a long one. from that scorin' ledgend rob lee. MU got beat a total of 9 times most by a 0-1 at home scoreline so........ the defence was not at fault for every loss! you can put up the 3-5 win at spurs or the 4-3 loss at st.james but the most pressing losses were at home to clean sheets!
bart got beat on a long one. from that scorin' ledgend rob lee. MU got beat a total of 9 times most by a 0-1 at home scoreline so........ the defence was not at fault for every loss! you can put up the 3-5 win at spurs or the 4-3 loss at st.james but the most pressing losses were at home to clean sheets!
Let's be honest Utd's poor start to the season was down to a lot of factors. Fergie was leaving and even though well known was a massive disruption - especially with the speculation raging concerning his replacement.
Fergie sold Stam - not just because of what he wrote in the book and the fact he didn't get it cleared first, or that he embarrassed Fergie with his tapping up comments, but because it broke Utd's dressing room golden rule: you never criticise your team mates in public (Keane may criticise team performances and suggest individual players were not performing, but he never names and shames). Fergie had to restore "law and order" before the rot truly set in.
A number of players: Scholes, Beckham & Giggs were under par in the early part of the season and clearly nervous as to who would replace Fergie (e.g. Beckham wanting to know the new manager's identity before signing a new contract).
Fergie tampered with the tried and tested (and stale imo) formula to create a new Utd style. That was a major disruption to the flow of the team as players adjusted to a new system.
Veron and Blanc needed time to settle.
All of these and more contributed to the collective undermining of confidence in the team. They got distracted, started sluggishly, and took an age to recover. Witness the resurgence when Fergie announced he was staying. Utd went on a run and, almost miraculously, took it the wire.
It's way too simplistic to say it's just the defence's fault. In the same way as saying Rio's arrival will win us everything.
Utd's success has never been about individual genius (though, goodness knows we've witnessed some of those moments over the last decade) or even about work ethic (though that is a renowned Utd trait). It is not even about hunger (and no team has been as ravenous for success as the red devils).
No, what has set Utd apart from every other has been self-belief. The self belief that never knows when it's beaten. The self belief that refuses to lie down. The self-belief that relentlessly claws back a 12 point lead to win the tiltle, or scores a wonder goal in an FA cup final because only that can win the game, or scores twice in injury time in a European Cup final to do what others declared could never be done.
That is the magic of Utd. They dare to believe. They make believers of us too.
That is what was missing in the early part of last season. That is what Fergie and his newly assembled team will be working hard to reclaim.
And when they do...
Fergie sold Stam - not just because of what he wrote in the book and the fact he didn't get it cleared first, or that he embarrassed Fergie with his tapping up comments, but because it broke Utd's dressing room golden rule: you never criticise your team mates in public (Keane may criticise team performances and suggest individual players were not performing, but he never names and shames). Fergie had to restore "law and order" before the rot truly set in.
A number of players: Scholes, Beckham & Giggs were under par in the early part of the season and clearly nervous as to who would replace Fergie (e.g. Beckham wanting to know the new manager's identity before signing a new contract).
Fergie tampered with the tried and tested (and stale imo) formula to create a new Utd style. That was a major disruption to the flow of the team as players adjusted to a new system.
Veron and Blanc needed time to settle.
All of these and more contributed to the collective undermining of confidence in the team. They got distracted, started sluggishly, and took an age to recover. Witness the resurgence when Fergie announced he was staying. Utd went on a run and, almost miraculously, took it the wire.
It's way too simplistic to say it's just the defence's fault. In the same way as saying Rio's arrival will win us everything.
Utd's success has never been about individual genius (though, goodness knows we've witnessed some of those moments over the last decade) or even about work ethic (though that is a renowned Utd trait). It is not even about hunger (and no team has been as ravenous for success as the red devils).
No, what has set Utd apart from every other has been self-belief. The self belief that never knows when it's beaten. The self belief that refuses to lie down. The self-belief that relentlessly claws back a 12 point lead to win the tiltle, or scores a wonder goal in an FA cup final because only that can win the game, or scores twice in injury time in a European Cup final to do what others declared could never be done.
That is the magic of Utd. They dare to believe. They make believers of us too.
That is what was missing in the early part of last season. That is what Fergie and his newly assembled team will be working hard to reclaim.
And when they do...
No one will stop em.
In truth no Man Utd player is safe from blame after last season. Each and every one of our players had bad games at one point in time that were crucial to us underperforming. If we can be consistent this season as a team. It will never happen again.
In truth no Man Utd player is safe from blame after last season. Each and every one of our players had bad games at one point in time that were crucial to us underperforming. If we can be consistent this season as a team. It will never happen again.