They collapsed only five months ago. Sustained a 30 or greater point lead for five years. And it was a complete hitjob. Being blamed for shit they didn't do. Right wing nonsense.
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) are here to discuss Amad saving our blushes in a win against Southampton as well as our now annual loss at home to Brighton. They discuss Amorim's post-match comments, revisit how mid-table we may or may not be, and discuss some transfer news.
Probably as good as any of his options.I have to admire this lads optimism
Without question. RTE if you ask me is a fecking shambles. Do a nice radio service (classical and folk music) but aside from that their orthodox and anti-any-challenge political bias is off the fecking charts. They deserve to be audited for many reasons. Spending scandals among them.
And it's not Russia or China or any of this shite but the US and the UK. Absolutely guaranteed funding from these two FFG and independent right wing groups. Hidden or declared (most of it will be hidden).
The fact they are all anti-choice makes me think it's Opus Dei types as well as the UK and the US.
I know but nice to dream anyway. Jesus some day this country will have to wake up.
FG and FF can't continue as separate entities for much longer surely?
Maybe they both disband. Another one of those governments will kill this country. I don't care if it sounds over-dramatic. But with their record on housing, healthcare, and education, I have no faith in either. In both combined it's a negative faith which verges to infinitely negative.
I can see a merge of some sort if the decline continues. That would prompt some of the FFers that cling to the old FF, The Republican Party to jump ship and go to SF as they will inevitably become unarguably centre left quite soon.
Went for a Green, ex Green now independent and then a fella I’m mildly friendly with (FG). Not great options, but giving FF particularly any more than the square root of feck all would have just been too far.
I always imagined FF would just consume FG like a black widow spider at some stage.
I think some version of that has to happen at some point.
I still haven’t voted. Only just got home. Wrecked. Someone convince me this is worth getting off my hole for.
Housing, healthcare, education. A complete mess. Next generation. Absolutely worth voting. Unless it's for FG. Then just stay at home
I went SocDem 1 and FG 2, really had no intention of putting FG down and kind of just shat the bed at the station. I had planned on putting Labour and Greens 2 and 3, but I just really dislike the Labour candidate and the Greens are always at stupid shit so didn't bother on the spot. FG is a local and has always been good locally and the mother was at me to put him down when I went to collect my voting slip 
If my option was to include a FG candidate, I'd spoil the ballot (if I thought it could transfer to them). No idea how people can vote that way. Or even for FF. Maybe the lesser of the two evils.
Independents and others (whatever that means) polling at 18-20%. 12% last time out. I think some of that comes from the SF vote but based entirely on one graph. Interesting all the same to have a scenario where four entities are all around 20~%.
Independents and others (whatever that means) polling at 18-20%. 12% last time out. I think some of that comes from the SF vote but based entirely on one graph. Interesting all the same to have a scenario where four entities are all around 20~%.
That's slightly misleading as the indies are a fairly mixed bag.
Ah go. James Connolly was tied to a chair and shot so you could.
I know. A very mixed bag. From your local farmer to some KKK member. And maybe the same guy.
Groups, too, obviously.
Theres still a lot to be played for. Even the smallest changes could be the difference between the Monk being a coalition partner and Social Democrats being coalition partners. Or FFG getting an overall majority which would be pretty crap too.
On turnout, and entirely anecdotal, the last election was the lowest turnout in 20 years and favoured SF as we all know. Older people not bothering? Don't have any really good breakdown for that. But it was down significantly. It was 62%. Wwas 70% in 2011 for example and 65% in 2016.
Whatever else, it does hint that Sinn Fein don't require a massive turnout to get to their 20+ mark. But other parties do. I.e., SF vote share rose cumulatively over all those elections when turnout fell (disillusionment of the main parties is my best guess here).
Whatever else, it does hint that Sinn Fein don't require a massive turnout to get to their 20+ mark. But other parties do. I.e., SF vote share rose cumulatively over all those elections when turnout fell (disillusionment of the main parties is my best guess here).
Poor auld Jim. There are so many things I'm glad he doesn't know. I hope he died believing we wouldn't all be feckless idiots.
@Pogue Mahone paid €37k for that actual chair at auction. It’s a conversation piece.
Imagine admitting you vote for Fine Gael.I went SocDem 1 and FG 2, really had no intention of putting FG down and kind of just shat the bed at the station. I had planned on putting Labour and Greens 2 and 3, but I just really dislike the Labour candidate and the Greens are always at stupid shit so didn't bother on the spot. FG is a local and has always been good locally and the mother was at me to put him down when I went to collect my voting slip
I went Green, Labour, PBP, Social Democrats, Paul Gogarty who's an independent former green, then SF. Doubt it'll go beyond that but i filled out some more. Very few independent votes this year because i hadn't heard of half of them and the other half were far right headbangers.
1 PBP, 2 SF, 3 SF 4 Green. The rest can go and shite.
Didn't you read. The mother was at him. Never stood a chance really.
I went 1. SD, 2. SF, 3. Labour, 4. Green, 5. PBP.
Voted for an independent lad down this way who is sound enough. He hasn't a hope of getting in.
Jesus there is some dearth of personality, intelligence and likeability in Irish politics though. Everyone on the polling card is an arsehole. Every party is a bunch of untrustworthy wankers.
Jesus there is some dearth of personality, intelligence and likeability in Irish politics though. Everyone on the polling card is an arsehole. Every party is a bunch of untrustworthy wankers.
What is it with auld ones? My mother was devastated when I said I voted SF and didn’t put FG or FF down at all. And she’s a sensible enough woman who knows the country has all sorts of terrible problems with housing and health that the current crop caused. Spose she just grew up in a different era.
Turnout at 50% now.
I don't see how that gets beyond 55-58%. That would be anywhere from a 4 to 8% drop on the last election. There was an 8% drop in the last UK election and the vote was for change (Labour swept). There was a drop in the US too. Trump swept. Each was a lower turnout but each went for change.
Does it map precisely over? Not a fecking clue. Wait and see I suppose.
Because ours is not a two party system, it won't map directly. But feck it, I'm looking for any good "signs" of positive vibes.
Ireland, apart from last time out, is used to 70~% turnout rates. A few lower than that but most, in history, have been higher.
I don't see how that gets beyond 55-58%. That would be anywhere from a 4 to 8% drop on the last election. There was an 8% drop in the last UK election and the vote was for change (Labour swept). There was a drop in the US too. Trump swept. Each was a lower turnout but each went for change.
Does it map precisely over? Not a fecking clue. Wait and see I suppose.
Because ours is not a two party system, it won't map directly. But feck it, I'm looking for any good "signs" of positive vibes.
Ireland, apart from last time out, is used to 70~% turnout rates. A few lower than that but most, in history, have been higher.
I'm not sure how a low turnout will translate. SF have complicated it. Once upon a time you could just vote for token change. FF FG FF FG ad nauseum. I think actual change is a whole other ball game. So hopefully the low turnout is people done with FF FG but just not ready to go left of centre.
If I told you who it was it would really get you going
There was about 30 people on the slip I was handed, some of them looked like they belonged on a serial killer suspect list.
I put down 1 and threw it in the box.
I put down 1 and threw it in the box.
That's the dream. Not that I like low turnouts (unless it corresponds to the above in which case more and more please).
What happened to your SDP flirtation?
You could have at least pretended you were doing something worth doing.
Voted down the ballot so I'd have the pleasure of placing the biggest cnut with most chance of winning dead last. Spite isn't the best motivation for voting, but it'll do.
I went SD and then PBF, SF, Green, Labour and then a couple non-head banging independents.
Absolutely massive list full of lunatics though. No chance I was numbering everyone down to 20.
Absolutely massive list full of lunatics though. No chance I was numbering everyone down to 20.