Isn't it 800e total, not per person, per month, but it's tax free? So for a lot of rural landlords who'd be on the 52% tax band it's probably far more lucrative for them to take Ukrainians than Irish people. Shambolic practise that will fuel the far right.
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Just a warning. There is a lot of good work this policy can do (and it is multi national, it began in the US iirc) but in my experience, and it's rather extensive, the Irish local and national bodies are headless chickens. A few stakeholders have a clear idea of what needs to happen but then there's just so much that is being done wrong institutionally (cross-institutionally) that you honestly need a book to explain it. It's a complete fecking mess as it stands.
I have a feeling, somewhat founded, but would need verification, that our landlord culture has basically put much of this kind of policy on the wrong footing. It needs a huge review and also a massive amounts of capital influx. It's a pipeline and honestly it's one of the most depressing structures you're ever going to investigate.
There's a lot of cronyism and not all these people are bad (many are good) but it's Ireland all over.
The shovel has serrations on it, I fear nobody when wielding it.
We sometimes have to bring them into the house and ripen them on the kitchen windowsill.
The disadvantage of that is we've gotten three bad mite infestations in our kitchen
The reality of this is that we don't save any money most likely. It's expensive growing food at home. We tried to do our own compost and got red rust mould in it that killed loads of our tomatoes. So we ended up buying soil.
The main reason to do it is how much better it all tastes.
We sometimes have to bring them into the house and ripen them on the kitchen windowsill.
The disadvantage of that is we've gotten three bad mite infestations in our kitchen
The reality of this is that we don't save any money most likely. It's expensive growing food at home. We tried to do our own compost and got red rust mould in it that killed loads of our tomatoes. So we ended up buying soil.
Ah growing food is a filthy business. And yep, the food I grow is often the most expensive food I eat. When I had hens the eggs worked out as almost twice what they'd cost to buy.
Yeah, same around me. I grew up around that shite farming 50/60 acres. Even with subs, it wasn't sustainable 30 years ago it can't have gotten any better.
Ireland could produce more and been more self sustainable when it comes to food. We've just invested too much into the infrastructure around dairy and beef herds. Which are interdependent. Dairy needs calves to produce milk, the beef crowd take those calves and fatten them up for slaughter. The excess as we saw from RTE get shipped abroad and treated in vile fashion.
Crop production also has a greater risk factor, especially with the weather. You also have greater expenses and restrictions for crop production in terms of spraying weeds and pests. You really need a large scale farm to be able to do that. So, most small farms under 100 acres will just stick with what guarantees a modest income and that is cows and maybe sheep where the land is more suitable.
We'd love to do fully organic but we haven't cracked it. Still need chemicals for things like that red rust mould.
Aye, here the land is mostly shite and there are a few large dairy farms but mostly small holdings with sheep.
Nobody grows anything commercially from what I can see. From talking to people they definitely did a few decades ago but now almost nothing.
Using sawdust in your clay is apparently good for helping tomatoes ripen.
Or put them in a brown paper bag on the window after you pick them.
I'm almost fully organic here. I use slug pellets around my lettuce seedlings though. I've tried using all sorts of organic methods but it just doesn't work.
I've given up on tomatoes. I'm too old and bitter to try now.
Massively more lucrative. It fueled to immense bitterness among an awful lot of people. Cases where, in Emergency Accommodations of one kind or another, an entire hostel/hotel (privately owned) told its residents (in receipt of the EA payments) to clear out because there were Ukrainians coming in and that came with a grant from the government which was not the case if you were Irish or indeed any other ethnicity. It's honestly mental. Has to have had a massive impact on the price of rental accommodation which can now be something like what two mortgages would have been maybe 5 or 6 years ago in various areas. Completely unsustainable.
800 per person I thought. It is supposed to be scheme whereby someone will rent out a room in their home but naturally that has been exploited and unpoliced so it didn't just stay as rooms in people's homes. I've seen posts about landlords looking for top ups (illegal under current legislation) on top of the 800 euro of tax free cash they take off the government. People like the Healy Rae's have made unbelievable amounts of money off the refugee crisis.
Same around me. The land is mostly shite and a lot of wouldn't be suitable for any crops aside from rushes and nettles. So, it's all cows and sheep. Mostly small farmers keeping family land and having to work at the same time. There's a few bigger dairy farmers, but not many.
Rent a room is different to renting an entire home. You can rent a room in your home to anyone for up to 1000e per month tax free, not just Asylum seekers. The ARP is per home and is 800e total. https://www.citizensinformation.ie/...in-ireland/accommodation-recognition-payment/
Aye, sure two massive blocks of student accommodation cancelled all their students for the year in Sligo so they could house Ukrainians instead. Madness.
You can pick them when they’re green and they’ll ripen indoors over the next few days. To speed it up put them in a paper bag with some bananas (yes, really)
EDIT: Never mind. I see you’re now in your post tomato era
Okay, that's my bad, I had it wrong. It's not as bad as I thought. It does mean, however, that Ukrainians were getting far more support from the government than the average Irish person.
I mean, they kinda had to, at least initially? having that amount of people coming into the country and not getting housed and adequate welfare payments would have resulted in a feck tonne of tents being pitched along a canal somewhere
We probably shouldn't have taken that many refugees to begin with really. That's a whole different point though. The problem for me, is allowing them to work full time whilst recieving the ARP and the full dole. I don't feel bitter towards the Ukrainians though, I'm extremely angry with the government (not about Ukrainians so much, more about housing in general).
Surely trying to grow tomatoes in the Irish climate is the real problem? Not to be a dose, but I get a shitload of cherry tomatoes from a €2 plant with minimal effort, cause the climate is right. I don't blame ye for trying though, fresh tomatoes are unreal.
I find the “allow them to work full time and receiving full dole” claim very hard to believe. Real bang of far right bullshit off it. Have you any evidence that this is actually happening?
Yeah, seems like nonsense to me. Weren't Ukrainian social welfare payments slashed massively recently too?
If there's one thing I don't blame the government for it's all the Ukrainians we took in, we did the right thing. How they housed them and handled everything is an entirely different story. And the subsequent increase in international asylum seekers they've allowed to happen on top of that is pretty outrageous. It's all been shitty fuel for far right loonies.
Seems I've been caught out by propaganda on that front as well. 800 a month towards accomodation while working full time is/was a thing though and far more than most Irish people receive. Ukrainian refugees are given preferential treatment to other refugees though and in a massive way.
The whole anti immigrant movement is straight out of the Tory “get them hating the most unfortunate amongst themselves to distract from what we’re doing” playbook.
It absolute bollocks. I’ve had previously sane people going on at me about how the lads coming from Ukraine or Syria are responsible for them not being able to buy a house, or their rent being high.
Ignoring the vulture funds buying up property at will, or all the landlord TDs, or the unfit for purpose planning and construction systems - the real reasons for the housing “crisis”.
It’s not a crisis - it’s policy, and every time people blame it on immigrants they are letting politicians off the hook so they can feel better by demonising those in need.
It's both? A policy-induced crisis?
I've played football with a few of these lads from from Africa, Afghanistan & Ukraine etc.
One of them, I think he was from Uganda or Zimbabwe told me that technically they aren't allowed to work while in direct provision, while their claims were being assessed but there was some limit like 6 or 9 months, then they could apply for a work permit while awaiting a decision. They could also be moved anywhere at any time, so one week they be could in Waterford, next week they could be sent to Galway. So that's another reason they can't really look for jobs in the locality. But like a lot of Irish people on the dole, they'll work cash in hand if they can get it.
Once they move out of direct provision, I assume they are free to seek work like anyone else in the country.
They are unreal. My wife loves gardening. I benefit
https://www.independentireland.ie/
What do we make of these?
Personally I think there is a stench of Farage off them.
What do we make of these?
Personally I think there is a stench of Farage off them.
they're mostly former FFers aren't they? Probably thought the party had gone a bit soft.
Can't see them getting anywhere, they'll neither appeal to the loons IFP will or to those who are fed up of FFG.
We have one running in our constituency who the farmers seem to be loving.
Embarrassing, calling yourself "the party of common sense" is just appealing to the most ignorant fools in society. That Michael Collins is a complete and utter chancer but according to my parents, he's been quite good for a lot of his constituents in West Cork.
The cut of them. Those mug shots are what you’d get if you asked ChatGPT to generate images of “middle aged culchie”.
"Standing up for families."
My internal Google translate app says that means they don't like the gay community.
https://www.nationalalliance.ie/
https://www.irishfreedom.ie/
They'd probably give either of these lads a run for their money.
Can a crisis last for 50 years? At some stage it just becomes reality.
Yeah, is perpetual crisis a thing?
Those lot are slightly more honest about how despicable they are.
Have ye noticed all the right-wingers going after NGOs, without listing what they do. It's weird.