Internationals from youth team

Mr. MUJAC

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Paul Pogba made his international debut for France tonight and became the 97th international to come through the Manchester United youth system.

Be interesting to see who the next three will be.
 
Michael Keane, Matts Daehli, Marnick Vermijl and Frederic Veseli if he counts would be my guesses.

Tough to predict this though. Will Keane, Januzaj good shouts too.
 
Who among those who have left the club would be near a International cap ?
 
Should we be really counting Pogba and take full credit for it and be proud about it?
 
Tbf, Pogba is a mercenary and don't think anyone can take full credit as he stayed at Le Havre for 2 seasons too.

But yeah, he counts as he got important training and development at United at a young and crucial age and debuted with our first team. Obv not the same or as much as say a Welbeck, but he is a United youth product to a extent.
 
Cold_Boy said:
Should we be really counting Pogba and take full credit for it and be proud about it?
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No team can take full credit as player development comes at different stages of development. For example:

8-12 - skill foundations
12-14 - team dynamics and skill enhancement
14-16 - tactical awareness
16-18 - physical development, decision making, mental strength, tactical discipline
18-21 - consistency, handling pressure, emotional intelligence

There are cross overs with these but are given as rough generalisations.

So in Pogba's case he would have learned lot's of things before Le Havre got him and in the two years they had him helped his development. When he came to United he would have ramped up his development, and training with Scholes and Carrick would have been more beneficial than anything he got at Le Havre.

So we should get some credit for his development.

Historically, 95% of kids came to clubs at 15/16 from a variety of sources and started their professional development. They would then take a year to show if they had the makings of a good player...be offered a two-year apprenticeship...and then a pro deal at 17/18 and play in the youth team.

This changed in 1999 when kids as young as say seven started joining Academies. But a seven year old joining in 1999 would hit fifteen in 2007 and be offered a scholarship when they would be considered a youth player.

Clearly youth systems didn't just start in 2007, ours has been going since 1932 and the common criteria is:

1. Never played league football in a professional league before
2. Never signed as a professional with another club
3. Joined the club at 17 or younger and played in youth team

Using this criteria means that we are applying the same level of consistency across all eras of player development.

Bobby Charlton, Duncan Edwards, George Best and hundreds of others all joined United at 15/16 and meet the criteria above.

Lee Sharpe, who played in the FA Youth Cup for United, does not meet the criteria.

So, Pogba came through our youth system and we helped his development as a player. Only he knows how much.
 
Mr. MUJAC said:
No team can take full credit as player development comes at different stages of development. For example:

8-12 - skill foundations
12-14 - team dynamics and skill enhancement
14-16 - tactical awareness
16-18 - physical development, decision making, mental strength, tactical discipline
18-21 - consistency, handling pressure, emotional intelligence

There are cross overs with these but are given as rough generalisations.

So in Pogba's case he would have learned lot's of things before Le Havre got him and in the two years they had him helped his development. When he came to United he would have ramped up his development, and training with Scholes and Carrick would have been more beneficial than anything he got at Le Havre.

So we should get some credit for his development.

Historically, 95% of kids came to clubs at 15/16 from a variety of sources and started their professional development. They would then take a year to show if they had the makings of a good player...be offered a two-year apprenticeship...and then a pro deal at 17/18 and play in the youth team.

This changed in 1999 when kids as young as say seven started joining Academies. But a seven year old joining in 1999 would hit fifteen in 2007 and be offered a scholarship when they would be considered a youth player.

Clearly youth systems didn't just start in 2007, ours has been going since 1932 and the common criteria is:

1. Never played league football in a professional league before
2. Never signed as a professional with another club
3. Joined the club at 17 or younger and played in youth team

Using this criteria means that we are applying the same level of consistency across all eras of player development.

Bobby Charlton, Duncan Edwards, George Best and hundreds of others all joined United at 15/16 and meet the criteria above.

Lee Sharpe, who played in the FA Youth Cup for United, does not meet the criteria.

So, Pogba came through our youth system and we helped his development as a player. Only he knows how much.
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Brilliant post Tony. Always interesting to hear what you have to say.
 
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