Inter Milan vs Man Utd - Transfers

Bouche

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So Inter Milan sign Crespo, Cannavaro, Almeyda, Adani, Gamarra, and Morfeo and all we get in the off season is Rio and some no named keeper? We desparately needed reinforcemnents for the new season and yet our off the field activity was pathetic. Perfomances so far this season reflect exactly that. The only way to motivate a player is to know that you have someone sitting on the bench that could replcae them in a heart beat. I don't think that Mickey, Giggs, Neville, Ruud, Becks, or Bartez are swetaing it that much. Our bench is very poor compared to some of the other teams inside and outside of the Premier League. The only way for United to have really felt confident about this new season is to have signed 2 or 3 of the players names above - (I'd have taken Almeyda and Crespo in a heartbeat). This seasons going to be one long up hill battel and with injuries and suspensions things have not started very brightly!
 
I think its pretty damn obvious that our SQUAD is feckED UP with capital letters. In some ways its a management disaster - each and every position has shite cover except maybe Central midfield and central defence (debateable!).

Our first 11 is very strong on paper. But when we replace them we are basically throwing in someone to 'make up the numbers' due to injuries rather than change tactics. When we break up our first 11 we're basically conceding that particular position into obscurity.

Theres only one real tactical change Fergie can play with and his name begins with O.

example: We need penetration down the right cos crosses being stopped - aint gonna happen no matter who we put there. Only thing to happen is we lose Becks service and someone goes to plug the hole and makes up numbers rather than influences the game.
 
i am sort of at odd as to wether i agree :confused:


BARTHEZ - ricardo,carrol
GAZ - phil,brown
blanc - o'shay
rio - brown
mickey - phil
becks - chadwick, forlan?
keane - scholes/veron/butt
scholes/veron/butt - scholes/veron/butt
giggs - fortune/forlan?
RVN - forlan
ole - forlan

could come into the team if needed:

stewert
webber
tierny (sp)


to be honest i feel pretty happy with our squad yes i would have like MORE transfers but doesn't every fan of every club people also forget that O'shay is like a new signing in himself as he has become a semi-regular now . defencivly i think we are "OK" although the current injury problems are a little stressfull on the department.
the wings and up front is were are depth is a little shallow but all we can do now is hope ole,ruud, becks and giggs all stay fit.

plus i also think that the comeback of GAZ, BROWN and KEANE will give us welcome injections of freshness and life.
 
agreed. it's no point buying so many new players for the sake of adding star names to your squad.

look at chelsea.. look at leeds.

bought too many, yet no success.. and leeds even has to clear their debts now.

PS: altho' Real might beg to differ lol
 
Originally posted by Bouche:
<strong>So Inter Milan sign Crespo, Cannavaro, Almeyda, Adani, Gamarra, and Morfeo and all we get in the off season is Rio and some no named keeper? We desparately needed reinforcemnents for the new season and yet our off the field activity was pathetic. Perfomances so far this season reflect exactly that. The only way to motivate a player is to know that you have someone sitting on the bench that could replcae them in a heart beat. I don't think that Mickey, Giggs, Neville, Ruud, Becks, or Bartez are swetaing it that much. Our bench is very poor compared to some of the other teams inside and outside of the Premier League. The only way for United to have really felt confident about this new season is to have signed 2 or 3 of the players names above - (I'd have taken Almeyda and Crespo in a heartbeat). This seasons going to be one long up hill battel and with injuries and suspensions things have not started very brightly!</strong><hr></blockquote>


As I've said before, SAF hasn't addressed our problems at FB/WB. I'm okay with Silvestre and hope Brown plays at RB. But, we don't have quality cover now that Irwin is no longer in the picture.

The big F up comes at the striker position. To summerize what happened since May of 2001.
1. Sheringham leaves because he feels he will be the 5th striker in squad. Big mistake. SAF had no intention of using Yorke. So Sheringham whould have been at worst 4th.
2. With SAF deterimed to use the lone striker formation, he wasn't going to keep Cole happy sitting on the bench. And yes RVN was bound to be his man as long as he realized his potential. Thus why was Sheringham let go.
3. So now we have to strikers of quality. At the end of May 2001 we had 4. If we play with 2 strikers, we have no one who can come off the bench and score.

It sickens me to see Ronaldo go to Madrid when we need another striker. Madrid looks unstoppable now. With Raul and Ronaldo along with Zidane and Figo they have 4 world class players capable of taking opponents on while United will rely only on Giggs.

As for Inter, who cares. They never achieve their potential anyway.
 
Originally posted by JOBT:
<strong>i am sort of at odd as to wether i agree :confused:



GAZ - phil,brown
rio - brown
mickey - phil
becks - chadwick, forlan?
RVN - forlan
ole - forlan

could come into the team if needed:



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Oh for pities sake!!

You mean that doesn't worry you???????
 
Frightens the shite outta me <img src="graemlins/nervous.gif" border="0" alt="[Nervous]" />

I think its time the younger players were given a chance. If we're not going to spend to replace then at least try the young 'uns. Give Tierney/Webber a chance to prove themselves and then if it works we will have LB/Forward cover. :D
 
Am I the only one who's bored senseless with all this whinging.

Played 6, won 3, drawn 2 (away), lost 1 (that proved to be irrelevant)

2 points off the top of the Prem, and safely into th EPL.

For pitties sake. Its a race not a sprint.

Cheer up and concentrate on the good.

Do any of you seriously think that Inter can buy that many new players and expect their team to Gell? It takes times to bed new players in, we dont have that problem.

We have 2 quality players recruited last term who are getting better in every game, and the worlds best defender who has already bedded in! Remember how long it took Stam - do you see Rio struggling like that - NO :mad:

This squad will storm the Prem and have a bloody good go at the EPL. Think positive and start posting your support not your unfounded critisism. There's enough cnuts out there to do that already.

<img src="graemlins/devil.gif" border="0" alt="[Devil]" />
 
We should have signed/loaned another striker, without question... 2 world class strikers & 1 up and coming striker is not enough to mount league and cup challenges, especially for a club of our stature.

Why we did not loan a Crespo or Tristan even Ronaldo really bewilders me, no one can honestly say they are happy with the striker situation, especially given the way our injuries are going at the moment.

Its obvious SAF wanted to buy Ronaldinho to play that link striker role but given the flat transfer market the club did not get the offers for Veron they would perhaps have expected to be able to fund the deal for 'dinho. Nonetheless a loan option could have been persued and it really is distressing me that it hasn't. That is my only complaint. I'm pleased with the defence thus far, and John O'Shea will and should replace Blanc next season to partner Rio.
 
RVN is class.
Ole is a supersub.
Forlan is not a striker.

We'll have trouble scoring goals whenever RVN is having a bad patch, i.e. now.

End of story.
 
Originally posted by Suedesi:
[QB]RVN is class.
Ole is a supersub.

/QB]<hr></blockquote>

He isn't unfortunately. Not consistently anyway.

And no good when he starts either.

We should have sold him when we had the chance.
 
Hey guys, after 4 matches, we've won 2 and had 2 draws, the situation is not as bad as we pretend it to be... give to team some time... :p
 
RVN is class.
Ole is a supersub.
Forlan is not a striker.
We'll have trouble scoring goals whenever RVN is having a bad patch, i.e. now.

End of story.


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That's about right IMO too. If we can get to the jan window & still be 'there or there abouts' & secure a pacy striker we will have done well. If not we may be stuffed.
 
Originally posted by JOBT:
[QB]i am sort of at odd as to wether i agree :confused:


GAZ - phil,brown
rio - brown
mickey - phil
becks - chadwick, forlan?
RVN - forlan
ole - forlan

Are you kidding me? Quality back-up??? Please - the "back-up" here aren't even good enough for City! Quality back-up means Real Madrid's bench, or for god sakes Arsenal's bench. Our "back-ups" are never gonna make any impact on a game or propell us to another level. For the long season ahead we are VERY short on class players. If you think the lot above are gonna help us out, you must be smoking some good shhhheeeeeeiiiiiit!
 
Originally posted by Suedesi:
<strong>RVN is class.
Ole is a supersub.
Forlan is not a striker.

We'll have trouble scoring goals whenever RVN is having a bad patch, i.e. now.

</strong><hr></blockquote>

I think we're finally sorting out our defensive problems from last year but I'm a bit worried about how many goals our strikers are going to score this year. Don't think playing as the lone striker really suits RVN and I'm worried he's going to struggle to score goals if he's left isolated by himself match after match. As for Ole, as good as he is, even he can't score from the bench. And if Ole can't get a match, where does that leave Diego...a few token minutes each match so that the tabloids can write that Diego's played yet another match without scoring? You've gotta feel sorry for him.
 
It isn't the results this season that is bothering me! IT's the almost traditional United's goalscoring reputation that scares me! I mean for years and years since the early nineties we have been synonymous with scoring lots of goals. Teams would fear coming to Old Trafford and it would serve as a fortress for us for many years. We had goals come from all over the park and in multitudes too! But this season, I am very worried! In two home matches in the league we have notched just two goals! And though I am pleased about the result in both, the amount of goals scored against, what opposition can be described as average, with exception to a few class players, is slightly worrying. Because of the state of our squad Fergie is insistent on using the 4-4-1-1 formation, and although defensively we are coping well thus far, our attacking options are poor! Beckham doesn't get forward a great deal into the box which is what we need to see more of.When Beckham has the ball on the right hand side in a position to cross, gigg's is almost always there at the back, but when it is reversed, Beckham doesn't seem to be there. Apart from Keane, there are no surging runs being made into the penalty area. Most players seem content on passing, but with minimal movement, meaning that you are easier to close down vulnerable for countering.
 
Originally posted by Suedesi:
RVN is class.
Ole is a supersub.
Forlan is not a striker.
We'll have trouble scoring goals whenever RVN is having a bad patch, i.e. now.


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Ole's record shows he is more than a supersub. He is 1 in 5 when coming of the bench and 1 in 2 when he starts.
RVN has 39 goals in 50 appearances, so no arguments, he is class.
Forlan has played 90 minutes in total so it unfair to judge just yet. He works hard, so the goals will come.
We do need another striker but do we have to go and spend, we've got player in our youth. Davis, Webber, Richardson, Timm etc.
 
Originally posted by Ever hopefull:
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Forlan has played 90 minutes in total so it unfair to judge just yet. He works hard, so the goals will come.
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More than 90 minutes though surely? He has started a few games, and I don't think has been subbed early in them. Plus the games he's come on in.