Iniesta shouldn't win the Ballon d'Or

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Has the winning goal in the world cup sealed the golden ball for Iniesta?


Believe it or not, I hate using the word overrated to describe a footballer. It’s actually annoying every time I have to use it, but sometimes Plaudits for a footballer can go too far to the point it makes one cringe.

Whether it be Canavaro winning world player of the year, whether it be people saying Xavi is more important to Barcelona than Messi, whether it be any wonderkid in fm being described as a potential great, plaudits can over emphasise a players ability or sometimes just his contributions to a team.

The player I want to talk about right now is Andres Iniesta and the rumour that he is to win the Balon dor according to Gazzeta Dello Sport. What’s your thought on this? For me, if it is to happen the award would lose even more credibility, believe it or not, if I had my way he wouldn’t even be in the top 3. He simply does not deserve to be there.

It’s only just a rumour but the fact that Wesley Sneidjer who had a great domestic season and world cup is not even in the running takes the piss. He was integral in Inter winning the treble ffs…THE TREBLE ,Milito is another story…

Has Rafa Benitez’s pathetic running of Inter Milan really cost them all sort of credibility with these awards? It’s one thing for Rafa to feck up clubs not now he’s fecking with individual player’s awards, nominations? This is a whole new low for the Spaniard.

What about Lionel Messi who scored 47 goals last season for Barcelona in his best season for the club to this date, a record I don’t see anybody breaking anytime soon. Nobody was more consistent, nobody put in more brilliant displays, did an alleged poor world cup really cost him an award which was in the bag before the tournament began?

What about Cristiano Ronaldo? The fastest player to reach 50 goals for Real Madrid, beating the legendary Alfredo Di Stefano, his record domestically can only be described as sensational, especially when you look at the fact he had come to a new league. It can take players ages to adjust to new environments but he was on his game from the very beginning. Surely he’s a more credible contender than Andres?

Why is it a player like Wayne Rooney who was sensational for our club for the most part last season doesn’t even get nominated? He scored over 30 goals, destroyed Milan in the San Siro and doesn't even appear in a list of 25?!

Don’t get me wrong Iniesta is a world class player, certainly in the top 10 and possibly the top 5, some of his twists and turns on the ball reminds me of Zidane and old footage of George Best.

It is mesmeric to watch at times but in my opinion there is no way he should be the next winner of the Ballon’dor.

This would be up there with the Canavaro travesty in 2007 who Ronaldinho lost out to, despite hitting new heights with Barca during the domestic season, only for a poor world cup to completely cost him everything.

Don Adres missed a lot of last season due to injuries, a fact that should be enough to put him out of the running when you consider how much Xavi and Messi were integral to Barcelona’s successes.

How can you miss most of the season, not impact the big games in the domestic league and end up with the best player of the year award?

Lionel Messi and Xavi actually proved that as good as Iniesta is, he’s not as crucial to Barcelona that people think he is. Barcelona managed without him comfortably.

So if it’s not for the domestic season he should be winning this award, then it has to be for the world cup right?
Iniesta was great in the world cup and scored the winning goal but he wasn’t the best player in the tournament, Diego Forlan was. David Villa was better than him if we’re being pedantic. If so much emphasis is put on that final game does that mean Fabregas should be in the running for proving the assist?

For me what a player does during the domestic season should have more bearings on these awards rather than one off tournaments because players have to play up to 50 games each season, surely consistent performances here should be more important than a few games in a one off tournament? There is a much broader scope to judge a player’s ability and his contributions to football.

Players work their arses off for a whole season putting in consistent performances and for a player who is injured for most of the year to take the award after a great few games just leaves a sour taste in my mouth.

It was even suspect when the legendary Brazilian Ronaldo won it in 2002, but at least he was the tournaments stand out performer with 8 goals to his name, this time, in 2010 Iniesta was not.

Is Iniesta overrated? It’s a tough one, he’s clearly a world class player but some things said about him make me believe people don’t watch him regularly enough.

I remember saying Fabregas is a better passer than him during the world cup and was completely green smiled out of the Caf, even though I thought this was obvious. Iniesta is very good at short passing but he does not have the range, vision or accuracy of players like Scholes, Xabi Alonso or Cesc Fabregas.

Neither does he run games on a consistent basis as a lot of people think he does, although he was sensational against us. I actually had to upload a video of his performance against Chelsea this year when one poster kept banging on about how he dominated them.

Then again it’s Spain’s year, feck it, it’s spain's decade, their Barcelona has been carrying the flag for LaLiga in the Champions League and Spain has won the Euro 2008 and the World Cup. It may seem right that a player for Spain should win it, but that should be the best Spanish player throughout the year which should be Xavi, not Iniesta.

Players should only win these awards when they deserve it, and Iniesta just doesn’t in my opinion. Give it to him when he does; don’t feck the more deserving stars over.


Can you think of any legitimate reason why Iniesta should win this award?
 
Of course he isn't the best, and even the argument that he did it on the worlds biggest stage is silly because a player who wins player of the YEAR, should be consistently in the top 2-3 players throughout the whole year. For me Iniesta wasn't that. Xavi and Messi were better than him, just for example. Ronaldo, and Sneijders were better as well.
 
I thought he had a pretty poor year by his standards. I think Xavi will win it eventually.
 
I would vote for Sneijder. Iniesta is a great player but like previous posts have said last year there were quite a few players who were more consistent than him. Having said all that I do think either him or Xavi will win the award as a nod to Spain's recent dominance of the international game.
 
Wait, Boss wasn't it you who started a thread about just great Iniesta is? Arguing that he turns up in the big matches and Messi & co don't? I could swear you had a thread like that...I could be wrong though, apologies if I am...change of heart then Boss?
 
I personally have always rated Iniesta above Xavi. He is more unpredictible player, he reminds me of a younger Paul Scholes being far more active going into the box. He is far better at positioning himself than Xavi, perhaps the best in the world at that right now. He does not score to many goals, but he does have his share of key goals, for example the World Cup final. I think Guardiola got something wrong when he put him on the wing this season.

Personally I don't think he is the best, I would prefer Sneijder getting the Ballon d'Or. But to be fair, Iniesta really is one of the top candidates in my book.
 
Iniesta overrated? Nope, he's definately top 5 players in the world imo. Should he win it this year though, no.

Also I think a better question should be is Sneijder overrated? Put it this way, if Bayern had won the european cup then Robben would be the one going into the world cup final having won it all. Robben to my mind was better in both finals and just as, if not more influencial to Bayern than Sneijder was to Inter. Robben for me had a better year than Sneijder, its just that ones supporting cast was/is better...
 
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Has the winning goal in the world cup sealed the golden ball for Iniesta?


Believe it or not, I hate using the word overrated to describe a footballer. It’s actually annoying every time I have to use it, but sometimes Plaudits for a footballer can go too far to the point it makes one cringe.

Whether it be Canavaro winning world player of the year, whether it be people saying Xavi is more important to Barcelona than Messi, whether it be any wonderkid in fm being described as a potential great, plaudits can over emphasise a players ability or sometimes just his contributions to a team.

The player I want to talk about right now is Andres Iniesta and the rumour that he is to win the Balon dor according to Gazzeta Dello Sport. What’s your thought on this? For me, if it is to happen the award would lose even more credibility, believe it or not, if I had my way he wouldn’t even be in the top 3. He simply does not deserve to be there.

It’s only just a rumour but the fact that Wesley Sneidjer who had a great domestic season and world cup is not even in the running takes the piss. He was integral in Inter winning the treble ffs…THE TREBLE ,Milito is another story…

Has Rafa Benitez’s pathetic running of Inter Milan really cost them all sort of credibility with these awards? It’s one thing for Rafa to feck up clubs not now he’s fecking with individual player’s awards, nominations? This is a whole new low for the Spaniard.

What about Lionel Messi who scored 47 goals last season for Barcelona in his best season for the club to this date, a record I don’t see anybody breaking anytime soon. Nobody was more consistent, nobody put in more brilliant displays, did an alleged poor world cup really cost him an award which was in the bag before the tournament began?

What about Cristiano Ronaldo? The fastest player to reach 50 goals for Real Madrid, beating the legendary Alfredo Di Stefano, his record domestically can only be described as sensational, especially when you look at the fact he had come to a new league. It can take players ages to adjust to new environments but he was on his game from the very beginning. Surely he’s a more credible contender than Andres?

Why is it a player like Wayne Rooney who was sensational for our club for the most part last season doesn’t even get nominated? He scored over 30 goals, destroyed Milan in the San Siro and doesn't even appear in a list of 25?!

Don’t get me wrong Iniesta is a world class player, certainly in the top 10 and possibly the top 5, some of his twists and turns on the ball reminds me of Zidane and old footage of George Best.

It is mesmeric to watch at times but in my opinion there is no way he should be the next winner of the Ballon’dor.

This would be up there with the Canavaro travesty in 2007 who Ronaldinho lost out to, despite hitting new heights with Barca during the domestic season, only for a poor world cup to completely cost him everything.

Don Adres missed a lot of last season due to injuries, a fact that should be enough to put him out of the running when you consider how much Xavi and Messi were integral to Barcelona’s successes.

How can you miss most of the season, not impact the big games in the domestic league and end up with the best player of the year award?

Lionel Messi and Xavi actually proved that as good as Iniesta is, he’s not as crucial to Barcelona that people think he is. Barcelona managed without him comfortably.

So if it’s not for the domestic season he should be winning this award, then it has to be for the world cup right?
Iniesta was great in the world cup and scored the winning goal but he wasn’t the best player in the tournament, Diego Forlan was. David Villa was better than him if we’re being pedantic. If so much emphasis is put on that final game does that mean Fabregas should be in the running for proving the assist?

For me what a player does during the domestic season should have more bearings on these awards rather than one off tournaments because players have to play up to 50 games each season, surely consistent performances here should be more important than a few games in a one off tournament? There is a much broader scope to judge a player’s ability and his contributions to football.

Players work their arses off for a whole season putting in consistent performances and for a player who is injured for most of the year to take the award after a great few games just leaves a sour taste in my mouth.

It was even suspect when the legendary Brazilian Ronaldo won it in 2002, but at least he was the tournaments stand out performer with 8 goals to his name, this time, in 2010 Iniesta was not.

Is Iniesta overrated? It’s a tough one, he’s clearly a world class player but some things said about him make me believe people don’t watch him regularly enough.

I remember saying Fabregas is a better passer than him during the world cup and was completely green smiled out of the Caf, even though I thought this was obvious. Iniesta is very good at short passing but he does not have the range, vision or accuracy of players like Scholes, Xabi Alonso or Cesc Fabregas.

Neither does he run games on a consistent basis as a lot of people think he does, although he was sensational against us. I actually had to upload a video of his performance against Chelsea this year when one poster kept banging on about how he dominated them.

Then again it’s Spain’s year, feck it, it’s spain's decade, their Barcelona has been carrying the flag for LaLiga in the Champions League and Spain has won the Euro 2008 and the World Cup. It may seem right that a player for Spain should win it, but that should be the best Spanish player throughout the year which should be Xavi, not Iniesta.

Players should only win these awards when they deserve it, and Iniesta just doesn’t in my opinion. Give it to him when he does; don’t feck the more deserving stars over.


Can you think of any legitimate reason why Iniesta should win this award?

So I take it, Iniesta should not get the award then? Just checking.
 
feck! I wanted Xavi to win it but Iniesta will win this now.

Thank you Boss!
 
This is getting pathetic. So we've now moved from having someone who had a great World Cup wining the award for the YEAR to someone who just happened to score the only goal in the final winning it? And I thought Ronaldo in 2002 - when he barely played except for the World Cup - was ridiculous.
 
He's overrated alright, was awful at world cup except for scoring the goal in the final.

In fairness Spain weren't that impressive throughout the tournament. They hardly set the place alight, in fact it was a tournament filled with meh performances from good teams. The only side that really entertained were the Germans.
 
Then again it’s Spain’s year, feck it, it’s spain's decade, their Barcelona has been carrying the flag for LaLiga in the Champions League and Spain has won the Euro 2008 and the World Cup. It may seem right that a player for Spain should win it, but that should be the best Spanish player throughout the year which should be Xavi, not Iniesta.


I'm confused Boss.

never said that, but to be honest I don't expect you to understand what I said when you can honestly convince yourself of this crap

Xavi was NOT the best player at the world cup and alot of the time on here people were commenting on what an average tournament he was having

If xavi went out of Barca, Barca would still manage to play the same way,they would cope alot better than if Messi went away, it's really that simple

mate he's going to win feck all because he's not the best player in the world and he never has been in any single season

his performances at the World Cup have been overhyped
 
Why did have to bring up Rooney ? Apart from that I agree with everything

You don't think there's a bit of debate between Iniesta and Rooney in terms of their performances last season?

Iniesta only started 27 La Liga and CL games, and of them there were relatively few performances where he got close to his best. You throw in the WC and Iniesta was quite good, better than most but a long way off being the best. Maybe one standout game in the tournament?

In the end it's far from ridiculous that Iniesta will go down as a WPOTY at some point in his career, so looking back it will make sense, but the timing of it...it's a bit disappointing. Predictably disappointing. I mean, we all know that the WC is going to be the deciding factor in these votes, but give it to someone who actually did stand out at the tournament - Sneijder, Forlan - not just the player who scored the winning goal and played well in the semi's. It would make them a bit less farcical.

I still believe Sneijder could win it.
 
He's overrated alright, was awful at world cup except for scoring the goal in the final.

Excluding the goal, he was THE class act in the final and the best player on the pitch that night by a country mile. Tormented Holland throughout.

His tournement wasn't great though and his domestic season was beset with injuries, so I have to agree that he doesn't deserve it this year. But that's FIFA and WC year's for you, they pick on that alone so if you score the winning goal in the final and are head and shoulder's above the rest in that game, it tends to weigh heavily in that player's favour.

I agree with someone who said Spain weren't that impressive in SA. They weren't, they struggled for goals, struggled for fluency, and were nowhere near as potent as they were at Euro 2008. Having said that, nobody except Germany got out of second gear at the WC.
 
Christ I don't have a clue what's going on these days any more...found out about the WC draws just yesterday and I don't even know the Ballon D'or's been named.
 
You don't think there's a bit of debate between Iniesta and Rooney in terms of their performances last season?

Iniesta only started 27 La Liga and CL games, and of them there were relatively few performances where he got close to his best. You throw in the WC and Iniesta was quite good, better than most but a long way off being the best. Maybe one standout game in the tournament?

In the end it's far from ridiculous that Iniesta will go down as a WPOTY at some point in his career, so looking back it will make sense, but the timing of it...it's a bit disappointing. Predictably disappointing. I mean, we all know that the WC is going to be the deciding factor in these votes, but give it to someone who actually did stand out at the tournament - Sneijder, Forlan - not just the player who scored the winning goal and played well in the semi's. It would make them a bit less farcical.

I still believe Sneijder could win it.

Rooney this, Rooney that
It's as if the entire football word is somehow connected to him.Rooney's absence doesn't shock as much as Milito for instance who was a decisive player in a treble winning side.Iniesta is ahead of Rooney in terms of the trophies won (no surprise there as unfair as it may seem for some).
Rooney won feck all last at a club level (please don't mention the PFA POTY cause it's useless) then again I'm lost for words when I see the likes of Gyan who was close to shit in France :lol::wenger:
 
Rooney this, Rooney that
It's as if the entire football word is somehow connected to him.Rooney's absence doesn't shock as much as Milito for instance who was a decisive player in a treble winning side.Iniesta is ahead of Rooney in terms of the trophies won (no surprise there as unfair as it may seem for some).
Rooney won feck all last at a club level (please don't mention the PFA POTY cause it's useless) then again I'm lost for words when I see the likes of Gyan who was close to shit in France :lol::wenger:

No doubt Rooney's no more deserving than Milito, but then that's not really here nor there is it?

Just because Iniesta won more it proves he was better? I'd have said that all he did was contribute less to a team that won more...
 
No doubt Rooney's no more deserving than Milito, but then that's not really here nor there is it?

Just because Iniesta won more it proves he was better? I'd have said that all he did was contribute less to a team that won more...

It will prove nothing at all, this award proves absolutely nothing in terms who's better than who or who's performed better who (there is a slight difference there).
It's all a big stupid joke tbh
 
They really weren't, they won every knockout game 1-0 without playing that well. Granted that's the sign of a good team but entertaining they were not.

They played well, they always had possession of the ball and defended really well, never suffered in the back.

You can say they weren't entertaining like in Euro 2008, but you aren't suppossed to entertain in the WC you are suppossed to win it.

(in my opinion Spain and Argentina were the only entertaining sides in the World Cup)
 
They played well, they always had possession of the ball and defended really well, never suffered in the back.

You can say they weren't entertaining like in Euro 2008, but you aren't suppossed to entertain in the WC you are suppossed to win it.

(in my opinion Spain and Argentina were the only entertaining sides in the World Cup)

Germany ????
 
They played well, they always had possession of the ball and defended really well, never suffered in the back.

You can say they weren't entertaining like in Euro 2008, but you aren't suppossed to entertain in the WC you are suppossed to win it.

(in my opinion Spain and Argentina were the only entertaining sides in the World Cup)

The Germans were the best side to watch by far. I don't see how Spain were entertaining when they basically knocked the ball around the middle of the park without threatening for large parts.

Reminded me of this simpsons sketch at times



Damn i can't find one with the commentary.
 
Always makes me laugh people debating over who was or wasn't entertaining...surely that's almost entirely subjective? There's relatively few objective measures in football on its own, when you throw entertainment in there with it you just know you're going to get nowhere.

It's logical that people who have watched the Premier League (as just one example) as their main source of football would prefer Germany to Spain because it combines a lot of what is great about English football - quick counter-attacking, wonderful balance between flair and physique, the underdog (in relative terms) doing well etc.

People who grew up watching different styles of football will appreciate football in a different way, in every sense - even what is entertaining. Some people might see Spain's ability to maintain the ball, maintain control and persistently chop away at the opponent's defences as mesmerising/thrilling/entrancing/entertaining, even if it results in less goalmouth incident.
 
People who grew up watching different styles of football will appreciate football in a different way, in every sense - even what is entertaining. Some people might see Spain's ability to maintain the ball, maintain control and persistently chop away at the opponent's defences as mesmerising/thrilling/entrancing/entertaining, even if it results in less goalmouth incident.

They were mesmeric in 2008 but they were not in 2010.
 
I love Iniesta, off all the player I have seen play live, I was most impressed by Iniesta. Technically he is just different level. I honestly feel there is no player in his mold anywhere else in the world, period. But I don't think he should or will win the Ballon D'or this year. It will be Xavi, Messi & Iniesta. In that order.