Incoming bonuses from player sales

[Dve]

Over the past year, we have carried out a number of sales with various bonuses included in the agreements. Given the current situation, what can we expect to receive? I have tried to look into some of the transfers and what kind of money we are in line to collect. Have I forgotten any, or are any of my estimates of the mark?

Donny van de Beek to Girona

On this transfer, Romano reported: "Donny van de Beek to Girona, here we go! Deal in place with Man United, permanent move for €500k fixed fee plus several add-ons. Easy add-ons to bring fee up to €4/5m plus extra add-ons can make it €15m. Contract until June 2028. #MUFC will also have sell-on clause."

Considered Donny is starting every game for Girona, we should at least be able to collect the easy add-ons.

£4m


Álvaro Carreras to Benfica

Wikipedia: "On 26 May 2024, Manchester United announced that Benfica had exercised the €6 million buy option in Carreras' loan contract, which included €3 million in potential add-ons."

From what is reported, the potential add-ons are performance related and unless these add-ons are based on totally unrealistic achievements, is should be money in the bank considered Álvaro is doing very well at Benfica.

£2.5m


Jadon Sancho to Chelsea

Per several reports, the purchase fee is structured between £20 million and £25 million, with the exact amount depending on Chelsea's final league position - the higher they finish, the higher the fee. Considered they current league position, it will surely be closer to 25 than 20.

£24m


Hannibal to Burnley

Per reports, up to £4 million in performance-related add-ons. Had an assist and was the star man in today's cup win over Southampton, but he's been a bit in and out of the team of late, so not sure about this one. In could be all or nothing, but maybe we will collect half of it?

£2m


Falcundo Pellistri to Panathinaikos

Per reports, up to around £1.7m in additional payments contingent on certain performance criteria. Looks to have established himself in the team and have even scored a couple of goals in their last few games.

£1.7m


Scott McTominay to Napoli

According to Sky Sports and others, the sale of McTominay to Napoli included performance-related add-ons in the size of £4.2 million. There are not many details around the conditions for these add-ons, but Napoli is currently on top of the league and McTominay is playing every minute and scoring goals for fun.

£4.2m


Aaron Wan-Bissaka to West Ham

According to The Times, the transfer of Bissaka included performance-related add-ons in the amount of £3 million. Bissaka is one of the first names on the team sheet, so this should be money in the bank.

£3m


Willy Kambwala to Villareal

Per The Guardians, Kambwala's transfer to Villareal included €5 in performance-related add-ons. He was out injured from late August until mid-December but now seems to have established himself in the first team. If he stays fit, we might be able to collect these bonuses, but like with Hannibal, I cut it in half. But again, it would be all or nothing.

£2m


So, realistically, we should collect around £43m in bonuses (including Sancho's transfer to Chelsea) this summer. Additionally, we have included significant sell-on clauses in most sales, meaning the total revenue could still increase considerably. Also, I have left out any potential add-ons in the loan moves of the likes of Rashford and Antony + all the youngest we have sent out on loan, so there could be some hidden money there as well.

 

[Moriarty]

How much did we pay for Sancho and Wan Bissaka?

 

[Red_toad]

How much did we pay for Sancho and Wan Bissaka?

Pretty irrelevant unless you've got a time machine and can change history.
New group of people running the show now, good to see they're making a lot of overdue changes.

 

[Leftback99]

Given that according to the accounts we only received £55m in transfer fees (after costs) last summer I wouldn't trust any of the figures quoted.

 

[C'est Moi Cantona]

Pretty irrelevant unless you've got a time machine and can change history.
New group of people running the show now, good to see they're making a lot of overdue changes.

It surely won't be for Sancho as they'll still be an amount owing on the accounts for the original purchase.

 

[Red00012]

Aren’t we due to pay £132 million in unpaid transfer fees between now and 2026?

 

[McTerminator]

It surely won't be for Sancho as they'll still be an amount owing on the accounts for the original purchase.

It is irrelevant because one of our biggest failing in the last decade is getting money in for players.

This is a great summary showing how Ineos are slowly trying to change what has been our greatest failing and the secondary reason for our financial woes (first being the Glazers debt and third being our poor recruitment).

I am not happy with the team and not thrilled with the January transfer window, but issues of this magnitude cannot be fixed overnight. They are clearly trying to fix these things and I’m not going to criticise them for that.

Whether it will work is another debate.

 

[Red_toad]

It surely won't be for Sancho as they'll still be an amount owing on the accounts for the original purchase.

Will only have 2 years left on his deal, so pretty certain any fee will cover whatever's left amortised wise, maybe some left over. His wages off the books will be exceptionally good business. Just need Casemiro and Rashford gone next...

 

[Dve]

It surely won't be for Sancho as they'll still be an amount owing on the accounts for the original purchase.

It's not relevant for this thread, at least, as these performance-related bonuses potentially could be zero. Our total budget is another concern.

 

[Infra-red]

Aren’t we due to pay £132 million in unpaid transfer fees between now and 2026?

£154m. And that figure is pre-Dorgu.

 

[C'est Moi Cantona]

Will only have 2 years left on his deal, so pretty certain any fee will cover whatever's left amortised wise, maybe some left over. His wages off the books will be exceptionally good business. Just need Casemiro and Rashford gone next...

Yeah, it's saved wages for Sancho where we win, I was actually thinking there was only one year left on the original deal, so maybe £10 million or so left over.

Rashford would be a big one if we could get £40 million for him, as surely this would be pure profit, and £15 million + per year off the wage bill, if so this could save us Garnacho having to be sold.

 

[Red_toad]

Yeah, it's saved wages for Sancho where we win, I was actually thinking there was only one year left on the original deal, so maybe £10 million or so left over.

Rashford would be a big one if we could get £40 million for him, as surely this would be pure profit, and £15 million + per year off the wage bill, if so this could save us Garnacho having to be sold.

Sorry yes, the club hold an option for a 6th year, so pretty certain they won't take it up

 

[Roboc7]

There are sell on fees for Greenwood, Elanga and Perreira as well so you’d hope ever the next couple of seasons we do see some steady income from all these clauses.

 

[C'est Moi Cantona]

It's not relevant for this thread, at least, as these performance-related bonuses potentially could be zero. Our total budget is another concern.

Yeah fair enough, as the OP also said the sell ons we inserted in sales on players like Greenwood and Elanga could come in really handy at some point aswell.

 

[Moriarty]

Pretty irrelevant unless you've got a time machine and can change history.
New group of people running the show now, good to see they're making a lot of overdue changes.

I just asked if you knew how much we paid. What has a time machine got to do with that question? If you don't know, why answer?

 

[C'est Moi Cantona]

£154m. And that figure is pre-Dorgu.

How much do we have from our normal yearly revenue available to cover ongoing transfer costs?

 

[Dve]

I just asked if you knew how much we paid. What has a time machine got to do with that question? If you don't know, why answer?

We paid £73 million for Sancho, structured in installments over 5 years, no bonuses. For Bissaka we initially paid £45m with £5 million in add-ons, based on different performance-related clauses (number of games for United, number and international games, and participation in CL).

 

[Dve]

Yeah, it's saved wages for Sancho where we win, I was actually thinking there was only one year left on the original deal, so maybe £10 million or so left over.

Rashford would be a big one if we could get £40 million for him, as surely this would be pure profit, and £15 million + per year off the wage bill, if so this could save us Garnacho having to be sold.

Rashford's contract with his current salary runs until jun 2028, and there is no way Villa will pay him the same, meaning a portion of those 40m will go to cover his loss of salary for the remaining 3 years. This will probably be around 5m, so still good profit from the sale, though.

 

[Withnail]

I just asked if you knew how much we paid. What has a time machine got to do with that question? If you don't know, why answer?

Come on, man. You weren't asking to find out the answer.

 

[Dve]

There are sell on fees for Greenwood, Elanga and Perreira as well so you’d hope ever the next couple of seasons we do see some steady income from all these clauses.

Not only those, there are sell-on clauses basically for every single player we sold of late, and significant ones.

 

[Red_toad]

I just asked if you knew how much we paid. What has a time machine got to do with that question? If you don't know, why answer?

The answer is but a google search away. £73 million. But it has nothing to do with the current regime, nor does it affect his sale.

 

[Moriarty]

Come on, man. You weren't asking to find out the answer.

Well, I was curious as to how much of a loss we are taking on those two alone.

 

[noodlehair]

Also there's the extra £60 from axing the Steward of the Week award

£60

 

[Tallis]

Over the past year, we have carried out a number of sales with various bonuses included in the agreements. Given the current situation, what can we expect to receive? I have tried to look into some of the transfers and what kind of money we are in line to collect. Have I forgotten any, or are any of my estimates of the mark?

Donny van de Beek to Girona

On this transfer, Romano reported: "Donny van de Beek to Girona, here we go! Deal in place with Man United, permanent move for €500k fixed fee plus several add-ons. Easy add-ons to bring fee up to €4/5m plus extra add-ons can make it €15m. Contract until June 2028. #MUFC will also have sell-on clause."

Considered Donny is starting every game for Girona, we should at least be able to collect the easy add-ons.

£4m


Álvaro Carreras to Benfica

Wikipedia: "On 26 May 2024, Manchester United announced that Benfica had exercised the €6 million buy option in Carreras' loan contract, which included €3 million in potential add-ons."

From what is reported, the potential add-ons are performance related and unless these add-ons are based on totally unrealistic achievements, is should be money in the bank considered Álvaro is doing very well at Benfica.

£2.5m


Jadon Sancho to Chelsea

Per several reports, the purchase fee is structured between £20 million and £25 million, with the exact amount depending on Chelsea's final league position - the higher they finish, the higher the fee. Considered they current league position, it will surely be closer to 25 than 20.

£24m


Hannibal to Burnley

Per reports, up to £4 million in performance-related add-ons. Had an assist and was the star man in today's cup win over Southampton, but he's been a bit in and out of the team of late, so not sure about this one. In could be all or nothing, but maybe we will collect half of it?

£2m


Falcundo Pellistri to Panathinaikos

Per reports, up to around £1.7m in additional payments contingent on certain performance criteria. Looks to have established himself in the team and have even scored a couple of goals in their last few games.

£1.7m


Scott McTominay to Napoli

According to Sky Sports and others, the sale of McTominay to Napoli included performance-related add-ons in the size of £4.2 million. There are not many details around the conditions for these add-ons, but Napoli is currently on top of the league and McTominay is playing every minute and scoring goals for fun.

£4.2m


Aaron Wan-Bissaka to West Ham

According to The Times, the transfer of Bissaka included performance-related add-ons in the amount of £3 million. Bissaka is one of the first names on the team sheet, so this should be money in the bank.

£3m


Willy Kambwala to Villareal

Per The Guardians, Kambwala's transfer to Villareal included €5 in performance-related add-ons. He was out injured from late August until mid-December but now seems to have established himself in the first team. If he stays fit, we might be able to collect these bonuses, but like with Hannibal, I cut it in half. But again, it would be all or nothing.

£2m


So, realistically, we should collect around £43m in bonuses (including Sancho's transfer to Chelsea) this summer. Additionally, we have included significant sell-on clauses in most sales, meaning the total revenue could still increase considerably. Also, I have left out any potential add-ons in the loan moves of the likes of Rashford and Antony + all the youngest we have sent out on loan, so there could be some hidden money there as well.

These are great but remind us that we likely have to pay add-ons on our purchases as well. And given we buy much more than we sell, that does not augur well,

 

[clarkydaz]

Also there's the extra £60 from axing the Steward of the Week award

£60

Don't even buy you a matchday ticket

 

[Dve]

These are great but remind us that we likely have to pay add-ons on our purchases as well. And given we buy much more than we sell, that does not augur well,

Well, if those add-ons are performance-related, it can't be much...

To be serious, the transfers of Mazraoui and de Ligt both included additional £4.3 million in performance-related add-ons. I think those are rather easy to achieve, so we'll probably have to pay up for those. Potential bonuses also involved in the Zirkzee and Yoro deals, but not sure about the conditions for those as we already paid quite a bit. Might be less achievable, e.g. dependent on CL or such.

 

[Redjazz]

These are great but remind us that we likely have to pay add-ons on our purchases as well. And given we buy much more than we sell, that does not augur well,

Up to 115m in 2024. 130M the previous year. None materialized during 2024. About 75% are based around MUFC caps\team success\new contracts.

 

[bb8]

Aren’t we due to pay £132 million in unpaid transfer fees between now and 2026?

Yeah, but there's nothing out of the ordinary about that. We average £100M-£150M in transfer spend every summer, and payments are typically stretched over 4-5 years. Hence our outstanding liabilities will always be in the vicinity of £300M, with £100M or so due in the next 12 months.

People reporting this as some major issue are just trying to cause alarm where there shouldn't be any. Quite likely we'll spend £100M+ this summer again, as we always do.

 

[bb8]

Given that according to the accounts we only received £55m in transfer fees (after costs) last summer I wouldn't trust any of the figures quoted.

I think that's primarily because we paid AWB and McT bonuses to get them to forego free agency, funneling back some of the transfer fee to them.

I think we'll likely have to pay Rashford £10-15M of any fee this summer if we can sell him, so his new club can sign him on lower wages without him taking a cut in pay.

 

[Leftback99]

I think that's primarily because we paid AWB and McT bonuses to get them to forego free agency, funneling back some of the transfer fee to them.

I think we'll likely have to pay Rashford £10-15M of any fee this summer if we can sell him, so his new club can sign him on lower wages without him taking a cut in pay.

I expect it will be the same if we manage to get rid of Rashford, Sancho and others like Casemiro in the summer. We'll end up with a lot less than it looks.