What chance does he have now of getting a kick in the first team?, if i was him i would quit, i hear leeds are interested in a new CB...(!)
If i was O'shea i would ask for a transfer....
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O'Shea might end up as Rio's partner. Don't be so negative.
if i was o'shea i would take up the challenge an force brown into a RB.
There is no way that O'Shea should leave United. Sure, he hardly got a kick last year but he is just twenty-one. This is his do-or-die year really. In a years time is he spends this year at United then he should leave but I believe he will be given a chance this year alongside Rio. If he does well then there is no reason why the pair can't play together for the next decade.
Good thing youre not O'shea.
O'Shea was probably fifth choice last season, behind Blanc, Johnsen, Brown and Gary, and now, with Gary looking likely to be a more permanent right back, O'Shea is going to be clear fourth choice. I think thats progress.
Originally posted by zippy:
<strong>What chance does he have now of getting a kick in the first team?, if i was him i would quit, i hear leeds are interested in a new CB...(!)</strong><hr></blockquote>
If I was zippy, I'd ask for a transfer,.... out of the RedCafe!!!
I think it's a safe bet that O'Shea will be Larries replacement sometime this season. He is the ideal partner, his natural aggression puts him in front of Wes, who will be Garry's stand in, Wes will claim RB in time.
My GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
He's 21, and a centre half - never get to their peak until at least 25-26! He'll have plenty of opportunities in the future, FFS he's not even a real full international yet!
Give the kid a break, he's the business, just let him develop as SAF thinks fit. <img src="graemlins/devil.gif" border="0" alt="[Devil]" />
He's 21, and a centre half - never get to their peak until at least 25-26! He'll have plenty of opportunities in the future, FFS he's not even a real full international yet!
Give the kid a break, he's the business, just let him develop as SAF thinks fit. <img src="graemlins/devil.gif" border="0" alt="[Devil]" />
O'Shea could end up at right back too!
Wes has not progessed as much as I hoped. He was ahead of Rio a few years ago but has not developed. John has a real chance of overtaking him and ending up as Rio's long term partner. This could be make or break for either, although Wes could end up as cover for Gazza as well as CB. I think O'Shea is too valuable to be allowed to leave.
Originally posted by zippy:
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My point exactly.</strong><hr></blockquote>
He's 21 FFS! <img src="graemlins/houllier.gif" border="0" alt="[Houllier]" />
O'Shea was unlucky to be injured last term after he had just made his mark in the team, if he had remained fit he would have been Larry's partner for the remainder of the season and we might have had a different outcome.
My one worry with our defence is the similarity of Larry, Rio and to some extent Wes. All are thinkers who play a good positional game and have good ball control but lack the crunching challenges required to break up offensive moves. O'Shea and also Gary when he plays centre are the rough to go with this smooth, breaking play up and sticking in crunching tackles.
All the best defensive pairings display this with Bruce as thug and Pally as thinker, Ronny and Jaap, Sol's no nonsense displays in the WC allowing Rio to shine, Larry for France paired with Desailly or Thuram. In this regard John should therefore look at this season as a challenge to prove this old adage and establish himself alongside Rio thus displacing Larry and bringing a better balance in defence. Leave, you've got to be kidding, he's the future.
My one worry with our defence is the similarity of Larry, Rio and to some extent Wes. All are thinkers who play a good positional game and have good ball control but lack the crunching challenges required to break up offensive moves. O'Shea and also Gary when he plays centre are the rough to go with this smooth, breaking play up and sticking in crunching tackles.
All the best defensive pairings display this with Bruce as thug and Pally as thinker, Ronny and Jaap, Sol's no nonsense displays in the WC allowing Rio to shine, Larry for France paired with Desailly or Thuram. In this regard John should therefore look at this season as a challenge to prove this old adage and establish himself alongside Rio thus displacing Larry and bringing a better balance in defence. Leave, you've got to be kidding, he's the future.
Disagree Bury, you don't need a thug, just someone with the bollocks to make that descisive challenge, which we have seen Wes do many a time. And Rio is 6"3' with Wes 6"2'. Ok O'Shea's also 6"3' I think - isn't this a great thing for the future? Three great young defenders? Larry goes next year and we have something very special going on.
Why not try O'Shea at LB and see if he might be able to work in that role too?
Why not try O'Shea at LB and see if he might be able to work in that role too?
Originally posted by WeasteDevil:
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He's 21 FFS! <img src="graemlins/houllier.gif" border="0" alt="[Houllier]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>
yes, 21, not 16 or 17, t-w-e-n-t-y o-n-e!
I have to admit i am probably being a bit premature in saying he should ask for a transfer; If he plays in 10-15 games this year then he will be really starting to get into the picture and would have no reason at all to want to play elsewhere. On the other hand though if he only gets 3-5 games this year then for the good of his career he should sign up with another team.
Someone said this is his make or break year, i think thats about right...Fergie should have blooded him last year, he obviously doesnt have that much faith in him...
I've just used my ' and " the wrong way round! <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />
Originally posted by WeasteDevil:
<strong>Disagree Bury, you don't need a thug, just someone with the bollocks to make that descisive challenge, which we have seen Wes do many a time. And Rio is 6"3' with Wes 6"2'. Ok O'Shea's also 6"3' I think - isn't this a great thing for the future? Three great young defenders? Larry goes next year and we have something very special going on.
Why not try O'Shea at LB and see if he might be able to work in that role too?</strong><hr></blockquote>
I don't think anyone would ever describe Bruce, Jaap, Desailly, Thuram or Campbell as thugs. My point was meant to convey what you said about having the bollocks to stick a challenge in.
I did hesitate over which category Wes should fall into, when he arrived on the scene his tackling was magnificent, crisp, clean and instinctive which led to everyone going over the top in their expectations. I think the injury has cast a shadow of doubt in his mind however and it is that seconds hesitation which has led to some of his gaffes, at the minute I would say he is a crunching natural defender trying to alter his game to a thinking defender and it has not worked for him as yet. He is still too young to say it is make or break season for him but he needs to sort his head out before he can make one of the defensive jerseys his own and at present I don't think he knows which one he wants.
O'Shea on the other hand has no such dilemma, he is a no nonsense, ballsy defender who fills a void in our team quite nicely. He just needs to take the chance this year and Rio will have a partner for the next ten
Originally posted by Bury Red:
<strong>Rio will have a partner for the next ten
With Wes at RB for 10?
O'shea is Blanc's back-up/replcement and with the way Brown has played of late. There ain't no way he will displace O'shea
How come silvestre, who was dropped during last seasons' terrible start to the season, is a great much improved player who is practically irreplaceable, while Brown who put in some amazing performances and was termed by Alex as being better than even Rio, is considered to be the scapegoat. I've been reading the MEN review of last season and it only confirms what my memory thought, that Brown was not at fault for our poor run, the worst culprit was Silvestre. I think the fact Wes got injured for such a long time last season with Gary moving to cover him and the resulting boost in performance gave him this tag. Personally I think that was because Gary had been so poor at right back, judging the offside trap wrong all the time. As soon as Wes was fit, he went straight back in the first team and did well. I think he will be rotated with Blanc, with O'Shea getting the cup games and the odd premiership game if someone is injured or in need of a rest - unless he proves himself to be better, which is a tall order considering the likes of which he has to better, but would be a fantastic bonus if he did.
If I were O'Shea, I would take the games as they come... which I do believe he would.
I totally agree with you
Originally posted by BHManUNut:
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If I was zippy, I'd ask for a transfer,.... out of the RedCafe!!!
If I get a transfer out of the Red Cafe do I get a percentage of the fee?
If I were O'Shea, I'd sign on for life and play for peanuts for my fav club.
Originally posted by OldRed1:
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If I get a transfer out of the Red Cafe do I get a percentage of the fee?
Yes, 25p and a packet of peanuts...