if becks doesnt want to commit to the club do we want him?

ryan_melb

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now before all you guys start goin nuts on me for slating david on this im not. but to hear all this rumour, gossip and innuendo about his future is a worry. yeah sure his dad can come out and say he doesnt want to leave the club, and that he wants to stay for his career, but are we hearing this from david himself? is he influenced by his ball and chain? does he want to explore new challenges, or does he not get on with alex and the players? or does he have an inflated ego?
we arent hearing too much from his over the issue so we must start thinking of contingency plans for the future without him. if he doesnt want to commit to us then i dont want him playing for us, simple, if he cant commit to the cause then well its been real, seeya. no one man is bigger than the club.
 
This is a tough situation but if he still wants to play for us then I will let him stay but if he have no commitment I will happily let him go
 
Why don't we all just wait and see before we decide that David Beckham wants to leave.
He hasn't said he wants to yet, as far as I know.

But I hope no-one questions his loyalty if he does - if you take the boot incident as an example, he got absolutely slated on here and other forums, not for facts, but for stuff the papers came out with.

A huge number of supporters were only too pleased to believe what they read and showed no loyalty to David Beckham whatsoever. The same supporters who, if the tabloids came out and said stuff about Fergie, wouldn't believe one word of it.
 
Originally posted by Melvinyeo:
<strong>This is a tough situation but if he still wants to play for us then I will let him stay </strong><hr></blockquote>

Not for 40 million quid I wouldn't.

But that said, we cannot sell a player that doesn't want to go.
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Originally posted by Livvie20:
<strong>Why don't we all just wait and see before we decide that David Beckham wants to leave.
He hasn't said he wants to yet, as far as I know.

But I hope no-one questions his loyalty if he does - if you take the boot incident as an example, he got absolutely slated on here and other forums, not for facts, but for stuff the papers came out with.

A huge number of supporters were only too pleased to believe what they read and showed no loyalty to David Beckham whatsoever. The same supporters who, if the tabloids came out and said stuff about Fergie, wouldn't believe one word of it.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I agree. I think it's entirely possible that Becks wants to stay but that he and Fergie need to sort a few things out and until that happens, he can't say definitively whether he's staying or going. Of course, that's just speculation on my part.

But the fact is none of us know what's really happening. The papers are all full of wild gossip. But I do think he's getting unfairly criticised for stuff in the papers, when all that stuff could be totally untrue.
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Originally posted by spinoza:
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That is more important than 40m quid.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Well, it depends doesn't it.

Remember Yorke?
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Originally posted by WeasteDevil:
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Not for 40 million quid I wouldn't.

But that said, we cannot sell a player that doesn't want to go.</strong><hr></blockquote>

It can't be more wrong in it. Already forgot how Stam left us?
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Originally posted by uranushk1:
<strong>Already forgot how Stam left us?</strong><hr></blockquote>

What's that got to do with it?
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Originally posted by uranushk1:
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Did Stam want to go when we sell him?</strong><hr></blockquote>

Did someone put a gun to his head and force him to sign for Lazio?
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Originally posted by WeasteDevil:
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Well, it depends doesn't it.

Remember Yorke?</strong><hr></blockquote>

Yeah good point. No I'm just saying that we can't sell a player who's done nothing wrong, just because he'd bring in a load of cash, if he himself wants to stay.
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Originally posted by spinoza:
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Yeah good point. No I'm just saying that we can't sell a player who's done nothing wrong, just because he'd bring in a load of cash, if he himself wants to stay.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Of course you can. We have to put the good of the club first, because one thing is fo sure, Beckham puts his own financial interests first.

The only thing we should disagree on is the point where the monetary gain outweighs his value as a player in this club.

What if Real Madrid offered 100 million for example. What would you say then?
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Originally posted by WeasteDevil:
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What if Real Madrid offered 100 million for example. What would you say then?</strong><hr></blockquote>
I'd say "Cheers David, thanks a lot, goodbye & good luck!"

If Becks wants to stay fine. If he wants to go fine. Life goes on.
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Originally posted by WeasteDevil:
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Did someone put a gun to his head and force him to sign for Lazio?</strong><hr></blockquote>

Did he have another choice at that time? Rot in the reserve just like Yorke did?
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Originally posted by kf:
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I'd say "Cheers David, thanks a lot, goodbye & good luck!"

If Becks wants to stay fine. If he wants to go fine. Life goes on.</strong><hr></blockquote>

That about sums it up perfectly.

None of us has any notion as to what David Beckham is thinking at this time so why speculate about his future based on scenarios being conjured up for the purpose of starting another who will replace David Beckham thread?
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Originally posted by uranushk1:
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Did he have another choice at that time? Rot in the reserve just like Yorke did?</strong><hr></blockquote>

It's a choice yes. He could have sat there for the whole length of his contract if he wanted to.
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Originally posted by WeasteDevil:
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Did someone put a gun to his head and force him to sign for Lazio?</strong><hr></blockquote>


As good as.

There was no way Jaap was going to play another game for Manchester United. It wasn't a case of fighting for his place.
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Originally posted by WeasteDevil:
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It's a choice yes. He could have sat there for the whole length of his contract if he wanted to.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Just like what Yorke did and what Steve Macmanamanmanman is doing? That seems won't do any good to them isn't it?
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Originally posted by Livvie20:
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As good as.

There was no way Jaap was going to play another game for Manchester United. It wasn't a case of fighting for his place.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I do not agree, at the time, SAF was going to retire at the end of the season remember. he could have sat out a season.

McManaman did it at Real Madrid.
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Originally posted by uranushk1:
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Just like what Yorke did and what Steve Macmanamanmanman is doing? That seems won't do any good to them isn't it?</strong><hr></blockquote>

Still a choice.

A club cannot force a player to go, and it cannot force one to stay. Simple as that.
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Originally posted by WeasteDevil:
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I do not agree, at the time, SAF was going to retire at the end of the season remember. he could have sat out a season.

McManaman did it at Real Madrid.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I suppose that's true. But a year is a long time, and I think there was real animosity there - you'd have to be some kind of robot to be unaffected professionally and emotionally by it.
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Originally posted by Livvie20:
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I suppose that's true. But a year is a long time, and I think there was real animosity there - you'd have to be some kind of robot to be unaffected professionally and emotionally by it.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Agreed, but that is a different matter.
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Originally posted by WeasteDevil:
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Of course you can. We have to put the good of the club first, because one thing is fo sure, Beckham puts his own financial interests first.

The only thing we should disagree on is the point where the monetary gain outweighs his value as a player in this club.

What if Real Madrid offered 100 million for example. What would you say then?</strong><hr></blockquote>

Ideally I would like to tell them to feck off.

I don't think that being a selling club, even to Real Madrid, benefits us in anyway.

If Beckham wants to go, he can go. But if he turns down more money and glamour to stay in Manchester to contribute to Manchester United, how can we sell him? For any price? The club needs to show loyalty to players if they show loyalty to the club. The question is whether or not Beckham is good enough, and i'd say he is.
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Originally posted by WeasteDevil:
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Still a choice.

A club cannot force a player to go, and it cannot force one to stay. Simple as that.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Even if you put a gun on his head you can still say you have given him a choice to leave or to die, isn't it?
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Originally posted by uranushk1:
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Even if you put a gun on his head you can still say you have given him a choice to leave or to die, isn't it?</strong><hr></blockquote>

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Originally posted by WeasteDevil:
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Agreed, but that is a different matter.</strong><hr></blockquote>

How can it be a different matter if you're talking about the reasons someone would stay or go. I think life would have been too unpleasant for Jaap to stay - he'd have been on the outside, looking in. And when you've been on the inside, that's not easy, if not impossible.
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Originally posted by Livvie20:
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How can it be a different matter if you're talking about the reasons someone would stay or go. I think life would have been too unpleasant for Jaap to stay - he'd have been on the outside, looking in. And when you've been on the inside, that's not easy, if not impossible.</strong><hr></blockquote>

The question was one of force. He was not forced, pressured maybe.
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Originally posted by WeasteDevil:
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The question was one of force. He was not forced, pressured maybe.</strong><hr></blockquote>


Understatment that.
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Originally posted by WeasteDevil:
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You said that is a choice, but one of them is a very bad choice: stay here and rot in the reserve, harm his career, harm his relationship with the manager and the fans.... so you can't really blame the player choose another choice i.e. to leave.
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Originally posted by Livvie20:
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Understatment that.</strong><hr></blockquote>

He still was not forced. No matter how difficult it might have been for him to stay, he chose to go, and not to stay. The rights and wrongs of this is a different debate.
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Originally posted by uranushk1:
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You said that is a choice, but one of them is a very bad choice: stay here and rot in the reserve, harm his career, harm his relationship with the manager and the fans.... so you can't really blame the player choose another choice i.e. to leave.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I never said I blamed him did I?

I said that you cannot FORCE a player to leave if he does not want to.

So, he was not forced.

Glad we've got that straight.
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a year from now United would be fecked. he only signed a 3 year extension last year. no way we should allow a steve mcmuppet type thing to happen with becks.
 
ok painfully obvious am sure, but the point is if he aint willing to put our minds at ease over his potentially leaving on a cheap next year or a free the year after, we should get rid. he could have signed a 5 year deal last year - why didnt he? protecting his own interests? nothing wrong with that but United should do the same.
 
I wonder how much influence Posh has?

I don't dislike her, and I think they're a nice couple (him and her that is!) but I wonder what Becks would be like now if he'd never married her.
 
Originally posted by Livvie20:
<strong>I wonder how much influence Posh has?

I don't dislike her, and I think they're a nice couple (him and her that is!) but I wonder what Becks would be like now if he'd never married her.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Probably far more down to earth.
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Originally posted by giggzy:
<strong>I agree with that.. Can't stand 'Posh'.</strong><hr></blockquote>


I am starting to dislike her a bitm although I think she's probably a nice enough person - she just seems obsessed with power and publicity. Do you reckon she's the boss?
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Originally posted by Livvie20:
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I am starting to dislike her a bitm although I think she's probably a nice enough person - she just seems obsessed with power and publicity. Do you reckon she's the boss?</strong><hr></blockquote>


TBH-Liv, i've never liked her...she's so fake its unbelievable.. She come's from the slums of the East-End of London and her rise to fame, has got to her head.. which eplains her OTT, materialistic attitude.

Is she the boss? yes i think so. The animosity between SAF and Becks is largely down to her.. Its her, Fergie dislikes, not him.

Of all the women he could've married, he ended up with Vicky! he really is as thick as he sounds.
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Originally posted by giggzy:
<strong>Of all the women he could've married, he ended up with Vicky!</strong><hr></blockquote>

I'd shag her! :D
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