I thought Van Nistlerooy was more intelligent...

Champion8

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Why does he allow himself to give journalists the ammunition to write negative stories about United.

IMO he should not be passing his opinion that United's wages are obscene to the public, and that the players gamble. Even giving him the benefit of the doubt, that he wasn't trying to criticise the card playing or the size of wages, he should realise that journos are going to spin it against United. Once again, a player has opened the door as to what goes on behind closed doors, and once again we will be attacked by the press.

What is it about the dutch? why can't they keep their mouths shut.

I've no doubt that United's players aren't all saints, and thay they might get up to stuff people would criticise, but IMO if you're part of any team/group then what goes on inside the club should stay there.

If I was one of the card playing members of the United squad, I would ceratinly as Ruud what right he thinks he has to bring it out into the public.

If he can't master making non-contentious comments, Sir Alex should make him shut up He should say less, and make him get on with winning football matches.
 
its not that bad imo

we all know the wages are abscene

we all know they gamble on the coach so its hardly bringing it to the publics attention

i cant even see the press going ott on this
 
Originally posted by Fergiesarmy:
<strong>its not that bad imo

we all know the wages are abscene

we all know they gamble on the coach so its hardly bringing it to the publics attention

i cant even see the press going ott on this</strong><hr></blockquote>

agreed with you. No big deal!
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Originally posted by Champion7:
<strong>What is it about the dutch? why can't they keep their mouths shut.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I think that it is something to do with the drugs, you can't expect years of tollerance of soft drugs to not have some sort of effect on the population

;)
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Being a United story, I can't see the press letting it go lightly.

So far these are the internet sites I've found covering the story:

itv
teamtalk
4thegame
Guardian
MEN
Sun
Sky Sports
The Scotsman
Soccernet
 
RVN SHOULD HAVE KEPT STUM ABOUT THE GAMBLING. IF HE EARNS TO OBSCENE AN AMOUNT OF MONEY DONATE IT TO THE CLUB TRANSFER KITTY
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He showed himself to be a bit naive in getting a story to the press -- but honestly Fergiesarmy is right there is nothing new in it. The press will make of it what they will. There is no transfer United story so this will make up the difference.

And I don't need Rudd to be smart -- just to score lots and lots of goals!
 
I agree that Ruud does not have to be smart

However, just because its not new, doesn't mean that it will definitely be dismissed lightly by all the ABU's (inc. press).

Enough of a hoohaa was made during Euro 96, and in Keegan's england team. Today Cascarino says an England player left the WC with £30,000 of debt.

Look, I don't give a sh*t if they want to gamble their cash away as long as:

1. It doesn't affect their winning of football matches, and

2. It doesn't generate more bad publicity for United


The press try hard enough to put us down without our players handing it to them on a plate!!
 
The somewhat small difference between Stam's tales (who are obviously on everybody's mind) to Ruud is that the striker said nothing new.

Footballers get ridiculous wages? Well, don't we know it? Players are gambling on the way to matches? Oh dear. Well sorry, McClair already had that in his book, which didn't cause any harm and didn't give anyone a reason to cause problem.

Totally innocent, totally problem free.
 
Originally posted by Champion7:
<strong>Why does he allow himself to give journalists the ammunition to write negative stories about United.
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i think the media target people of your mentality when they plan on making a mountain out of a mole hill! RVN has said nothing that we all know of, and you consider it 'ammunition'? RVN has given away nothing behind the door which is damaging to the club/team mates. If readers who interprete that interview as reflecting on a negative image of United, who cares!! I doubt very much though that any negative story that is made from the interview can sell paper.

U are quite alone in thinking it that way, i am afraid!
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I read the article at the MEN and really don't see what the big deal is. It is a non story. Everyone knows footballers make obscene amounts of money and of course they gamble. Athletes who make obscene amounts of money do gamble in many cases. ( Michael Jordan comes to mind.)Playing cards for money on a trip helps kill time. I fail to see the point of the article other than the fact that it was a slow news day and journalists were looking for news.
 
Originally posted by redevil2:
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i think the media target people of your mentality when they plan on making a mountain out of a mole hill! RVN has said nothing that we all know of, and you consider it 'ammunition'? RVN has given away nothing behind the door which is damaging to the club/team mates. If readers who interprete that interview as reflecting on a negative image of United, who cares!! I doubt very much though that any negative story that is made from the interview can sell paper.

U are quite alone in thinking it that way, i am afraid!</strong><hr></blockquote>
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Originally posted by redevil2:
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i think the media target people of your mentality when they plan on making a mountain out of a mole hill! RVN has said nothing that we all know of, and you consider it 'ammunition'? RVN has given away nothing behind the door which is damaging to the club/team mates. If readers who interprete that interview as reflecting on a negative image of United, who cares!! I doubt very much though that any negative story that is made from the interview can sell paper.

U are quite alone in thinking it that way, i am afraid!</strong><hr></blockquote>

I'm not going to argue with you, because I don't see how you can be so in touch with public opinion that you know everyone will dismiss the story just like you have.

The truth is you may well be right, and the press are just stirring (its certainly not a Stam like declaration). However go on to the Guardian sports front page, and ask yourself if it seems like United and Ruud are being portrayed favourably.

Was there any benefit in making those statements? It actually means that the more interesting stuff he said doesn't get reported.

As far as I'm concerned (on my own apparently), the fact that everyone knows that footballers gamble and get paid a lot does not mean its helpful to admit it goes on on your doorstep. By not admiting it you can hide behind the anonimity that "everyone's doing it" - actually a pretty meaningless statement, which is why its not contentious.

For example, everyone knows inv. bankers get huge bonuses, snort cocaine, and sleep with high class hookers, but you won't get any of them personally admitting in public.

I'm getting bored, so I'll leave this topic with one question:

If the players enjoyed watching pornograhip DVD's whilst they were travelling, would you like someone like Ruud to come out to tell the world??

My view is that though there's nothing illegal about it(you might even answer that you wouldn't care), its just that its a comment that adds no value other than to let someone criticise you. What's the point of that?

But then again, as you said, people probably already know and as such would just ignore it.
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ahh that's nothing my auntie cepta put the feckin house up once
 
what a non story

united play cards on long coach rides

and he thinks wages are big

fecking hell stop the press this shit is amazing
 
Aren't you missing the point though? Isn't it more to do with they are gambling on their way to matches which managers never allow because if someone loses a big amount just before a game then it's obviously going to affect their confidence. They don't normally give a fcuk about what the players do on the way back from games providing they've got a result.

However much you are all defending what Ruud has said, you must realise that there are things in the article that would upset some of the other players - why speak out in the first place? Even if it's a non-story, why risk causing friction in the dressing room or with the manager. If he's so worried about the amount he is earning there are plenty of needy causes that would be more than greatful for some of it FFS! :mad:
 
Ruud's gambling admission seems pretty tame next to articles about Eidur Gudjonsson losing £400,000 last year due to his gambling addiction.
 
Heard the short 5 live piece on this morning on this, nothing too damaging but trying to link it with the Keegan's England gambling story which was a bit tenuous. Whenever you get a United player talking to the press, the journo's are gonna try and spin a story out of it. I reckon all the players know that so I can't see it affecting anything much.
 
even Radio 5 ran it in one of their reports today , on the ball that lot .....

whats the issue , people play cards oh deary me .......
 
Originally posted by RUDDY:
<strong>what a non story

united play cards on long coach rides

and he thinks wages are big

fecking hell stop the press this shit is amazing</strong><hr></blockquote>


seconded <img src="graemlins/yawn.gif" border="0" alt="[Yawn]" /> ;)
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But I didn't know the players travelled down to London by TRAIN, as RVN said. Is this true?
 
Originally posted by Champion7:
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I'm not going to argue with you, because I don't see how you can be so in touch with public opinion that you know everyone will dismiss the story just like you have.
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it's sad you are among the majority who like to gossip and no wonder the tabloid sell paper. Watching prono compare to playing cards on the train??? Please........
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Can't say I find his words that disturbing sorry. No big deal at all.
 
These guy spend hours on a coach, What are people expecting them to do. Play 'I Spy'
Last i heard playing card wasn't illegal.
The wages are obscene, but they are at every big club, where the shock in that.
If the papers make a big deal out of it, it proves 1 of 2 things. Either they've nothing else to print and need to fill the paper or they are shit Journalists/Editors.
 
They say they quote the voetbal international interview. That's what I've been translating in the transfer forum. He doesn't say those things. They are very blown up.

THE STORY IS NOT TRUE!

The part about the wages is already in the tranfer forum topic and I'll do my best to get the rest there today too.

But that's what I've already said, you shouldn't take the stories in your newspapers serious, coz they aren't...
 
Originally posted by Fergiesarmy:
<strong>its not that bad imo

we all know the wages are abscene

we all know they gamble on the coach so its hardly bringing it to the publics attention

i cant even see the press going ott on this</strong><hr></blockquote>


I didn't know this..Oh my Lord! :eek:


;)
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I can't believe the headlines I'm reading quoting Ruud about the United players' "obscene wages". Of course, the wages are obscene. Along with rock stars and movies stars, football players are paid obscene wages. And how is this news???

And as for the gambling, as long as it doesn't affect the players' performances and no one develops a serious gambling addiction, what is the problem?
 
Originally posted by Red15:
<strong>I can't believe the headlines I'm reading quoting Ruud about the United players' "obscene wages". Of course, the wages are obscene. Along with rock stars and movies stars, football players are paid obscene wages. And how is this news???

And as for the gambling, as long as it doesn't affect the players' performances and no one develops a serious gambling addiction, what is the problem?</strong><hr></blockquote>

Ditto

And they can afford it so why not live and let live

;)
How many people gamble every week up at OT on one thing or another..........so what..........whether they can afford it or not!!!
It is fun :) That is why most people do it
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Originally posted by PSV Rulezzz:
<strong>They say they quote the voetbal international interview. That's what I've been translating in the transfer forum. He doesn't say those things. They are very blown up.

THE STORY IS NOT TRUE!

The part about the wages is already in the tranfer forum topic and I'll do my best to get the rest there today too.

But that's what I've already said, you shouldn't take the stories in your newspapers serious, coz they aren't...</strong><hr></blockquote>

Like PSV says, United's come out with a statement today saying that the translation was inaccurate in several places.

How much you wanna bet this story doesn't get the same headlines tomorrow?

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Originally posted by PSV Rulezzz:
<strong>But that's what I've already said, you shouldn't take the stories in your newspapers serious, coz they aren't...

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That's why I'm always saying, but just see people's reactions to Laurent Robert's interview... :rolleyes:
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United Press Release

Ruud van Nistelrooy

Manchester United and Ruud van Nistelrooy would like to point out that several quotes attributed in recent days to him are inaccurate.

The quotes reportedly came from an interview Ruud gave to Voetbal International, the weekly Dutch football magazine. We would like to point out that the article published in Voetbal International was a totally fair and accurate representation of the interview Ruud conducted with the magazine's journalist. However, when this interview was reproduced in a Sunday newspaper, several additional quotes appear to have been added to the translation of the article which were never part of the original article or indeed the original interview. Those additional quotes were subsequently assumed to be accurate and were reproduced throughout the media.

Ruud is wrongly reported to have described the wages of Manchester United players as 'obscene' and 'astronomical'. He said no such thing. Ruud is also reported to have said that Manchester United players play card games for money because 'they can afford it' and that the manager, Sir Alex Ferguson, 'is fine as long as he is winning.' These words were not said by Ruud in his interview with Voetbal International, or on any other occasion. Nor did he ever say that the club's manager had been nicknamed 'the Hawk' by the players.
 
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