How Important is Roy Keane to Manchester United

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A) VERY

B) NOT AT ALL

c) NO MORE OR LESS THAN ANY OTHER PLAYER

Only those who answer B or C are allowed to voice their approval of Saturday's debacle.
 
Originally posted by DanishDevil:
<strong>D) Depends...

If he can hold down his temper, my answer would be A... but when he's acting like he did against Sunderland, my answer would be B - Rather be 11 man!</strong><hr></blockquote>

Answers should be based on Roy Keane as a player.
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A.

Firstly he really is important, and
secondly I've already said what I want about his sending off. ;)
 
Depends on the time frame I suppose. In the short run, without Keano, we're well and truly fecked. No titles.

In the long run, we'll survive and come out stronger. Like when Eric was banned. Let the team learn to stand on their own feet.

But since I want us to lift the European Cup at Old Trafford this year, I'll go for A.
 
In the long run, we'll survive and come out stronger. Like when Eric was banned. Let the team learn to stand on their own feet.

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The season Eric was banned we went trophyless.

At the moment i have to go with D. It depends on what frame of mind he is in. Normally A) but recent events have made me wonder.
Livvie what is your opinion? A, B, C, or (D)
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Let nobody be under the misapprehension that Keane is not important and that he can be dispensed with. Quite simply he's our best player and statistics show we win more games when he's playing than when he's out.

With our under strength squad we cannot afford to dispense with any of our top players, least of all Keane. However, this doesn't mean I condone what he did at Sunderland or for the very ill advised comments in his book. I'm glad Fergie has condemned him but I fear that maybe that reaction, together with what the FA may trump up over the book may just send him over the edge finally. If that happens, don't expect too much from this season.
 
A - He dominates the team, whether for the good or the bad.
Unless he can regain his focus and pull the rest of the team in the right direction instead of the wrong one, we're in trouble while he's in the team. I hope I'm wrong, but events seem to say that he's lost his focus for good.
If that's so, then the sooner we learn to live without him, the better.
 
Originally posted by unitedfan-up-the-tower:
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Livvie what is your opinion? A, B, C, or (D)</strong><hr></blockquote>


I think a focused and responsible Roy Keane is essential.

When United don't have him in the side, no matter how well we play, we lack something.

Maybe we can win games with Roy, but it's a gamble he shouldn't have been prepared to take.

Jason McAteer deserved a good smacking imo. But deserving it and getting it are two different things. The sad thing is, I don't know if Roy was actually capable of controlling himself.
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Without him I couldn't see us winning much for a couple of years at least. Keane is 31 and we've probably got 3 or 4 years of him left. What happens then? Bit early to be thinking about this perhaps but players of his mould seem to be few and far between these days - I see no real leader amongst the other United players although I think Ferdinand and Beckham might do, they'd certainly need a year or so to grow into the role - the rest of the team have to get accustomed to one of them too. I don't think they'd be a patch on Roy Keane though. That said I don't like what I saw on Sat, both the sending off and the treatment of Phil Neville and this book business was plain stupid in my opinion. It's his play that we'd miss most though.
 
My one regret about the Keano/McAqueer incident is Roy didn't quite connect properly.
 
I do think Keano is going to have to reassess his attitude towards the rest of the team.

He can't go slagging them off left right and centre, and give them a public bollocking in the manner he did Phil Neville, and then behave like that himself.

How can the other players respect that kind of treatment?!
 
so what are you saying Livvie?
Roy Keane should no longer be captain?...he should be transfer-listed?...good-riddance?...why?...for what?...twatting a gobby B-list scouse, spice buffty boy?...blah....
Perhaps this the difference between you and I...the difference between my United and yours.
 
Originally posted by buzet44:
<strong>so what are you saying Livvie?
Roy Keane should no longer be captain?...he should be transfer-listed?...good-riddance?...why?...for what?...twatting a gobby B-list scouse, spice buffty boy?...blah....
Perhaps this the difference between you and I...the difference between my United and yours.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Would you like to show me where I've said anything remotely like that?

For Chrissake!!!
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Originally posted by Livvie20:
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I think a focused and responsible Roy Keane is essential.

When United don't have him in the side, no matter how well we play, we lack something.

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From this, Buzet has gone off in his own little dream world, suggesting that I think we should get rid of Roy, take away the captaincy etc. etc.

:rolleyes:

Only a moron would condone what happened on Saturday without thinking of the consquences to the team. and to Roy himself.

I mean - it's not rocket science.

We aren't the same without an on-form Roy Keane.
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Originally posted by Livvie20:
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Only a moron would condone what happened on Saturday without thinking of the consquences to the team. and to Roy himself.
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kept much to self about this issue, has jedi master....but couldn't resist this one hmmmm.....to answer livvie, jedi master say;
E)Let's get rid of Keano, the bugger's going soft, should've really whacked that mcateer jackass.....what was Keano doing with a daisy poke like that, already knew he was going to get sent off, so why didn't he just take mcateer's head along with him to the dressing room????!!! losing it, Keano is!!!
and that rollicking he gave phil neville, sheer class from the man <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />

ok, so he had a go at some shite irish bloke who probably can't even spell football, let alone play the game, SO WHAT?!?!?!?!
supposing it was anyone else, say Becks for the matter, most on here(read bloody prawn-sandwich muching blokes!!!) would've been going; ohh he was provoked, that sunderland bloke had it coming, can't really blame him, he's having a baby boy whom he's going to name romeo(!) tomorrow, blah, blah, feckin blah.......

fact is, Keano was, is and will always be absolutely priceless to Utd, no feckin doubt in jedi master's mind about this, hmmmmm.......ok so he'll loose his head a few times, SO WHAT?!?!?! the bloody conundrum here is, how the hell do you replace him
<img src="graemlins/keano.gif" border="0" alt="[Keano]" /> <img src="graemlins/keano.gif" border="0" alt="[Keano]" /> <img src="graemlins/keano.gif" border="0" alt="[Keano]" /> <img src="graemlins/keano.gif" border="0" alt="[Keano]" />
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The way to replace Roy Keane is to play more creative football. Sounds simple I know, but (as I've said on here before) some of stuff we played when he was out with his cruciate was sublime.

Real Madrid dont have a midfield hatchet man to win them the ball. They dont give the bloody thing away in the first place.

Work hard and move the ball around fast and accurately. Dont get me wrong Keane does that aswell as anyone (people forget how good a passer he is) but Nicky Butt will give a fair percentage of Keano's fire and if allowed to might prove to be a better 'footballer'.

Its all opinions and theories of course. Lets see how we cope during the games he's missing for.
 
Originally posted by MancFanFromManc:
<strong>It was purely down to football, I wouldnt have posted any of the above, but I have concerns that Keano is losing the plot :(
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oooiiii you, forgetting the right rollicking you got when you first signed on here?!?!?!?! going to end up under your bed again, mate!!!!! ;)
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Originally posted by jedi master yoda:
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fact is, Keano was, is and will always be absolutely priceless to Utd, no feckin doubt in jedi master's mind about this, hmmmmm.......ok so he'll loose his head a few times, SO WHAT?!?!?! the bloody conundrum here is, how the hell do you replace him
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So if he's priceless, you should understand that he'll be missed.

That's the problem. Not what he did to JM, but the repercussions of it.
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Keano is very important to United. No doubt about that.

but sometimes his temper gets the better of him, which is deteriorating to the team as a whole.

a rest shall do him and United ample of good.
 
A

He's the heart and soul of the team, we wouldn't be as good without him
 
roy keane is the most important player we have ever had he won us the ec in 99 with his performace in the semi with out keane we have no heart in the team
 
Originally posted by becks75:
<strong>A,

but there were some players who won us the EC too. :rolleyes: </strong><hr></blockquote>

the only reason Utd even got as far as the finals was purely Keano( in the semis, we would've been slaughtered had it not been for Keano and more rightly the yellow card he received!)no one else, simple as that!! and winning the final was a fairytale ending, nothing more quite honestly, pure fluke.....

and Livvie, yes, missing Keano is the conundrum, but getting him to tone down is next to impossible, besides would he play with the same hunger & desire if he had to grind his teeth and hold back everytime he deals with petty jackasses like mcateer?! it's his burning passion for success that makes him the driving force that he is and more often than not, that passion boils over to rage when things aren't going well....but it's also what clearly makes him tick, after all he's definitely not the most gifted footballer in terms of skill, nothing near the likes of veron, becks or giggs but he's the fulcrum, would any of you seriously say you'd have the other vastly talented blokes over Keano???!!!.....things is you can't condone what he did, yes, but does fergie have a choice really?? it's just way Keano is, the way we love him after all <img src="graemlins/keano.gif" border="0" alt="[Keano]" /> <img src="graemlins/keano.gif" border="0" alt="[Keano]" /> and it saddens jedi master to think of the next manager who comes in (assuming it isn't Keano of course!!!!), he'd probably be too much of a pansy to relish the thought of dealing with Keano day in day out, and sell him to Celtic or some other shite club for 10 mil quid......simply put, Keano is not going to change and jedi master wouldn't want him to!!!!!!!!!!
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Originally posted by Livvie20:
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That's the problem. Not what he did to JM, but the repercussions of it.</strong><hr></blockquote>

what repercussions of it hes out for 3 months now anyway

maybe he knew that and wanted a dig at the scum that is macateer
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quote "the only reason Utd even got as far as the finals was purely Keano "

Must be some of the greatest bullshit ever posted here. No doubt that Keane was outstanding that night and in many other games on our way to the final and without him we wouldn`t won the EC that season. But without the goals from yorke (yes there was some time before disco), many goal assists from Becks (remember inter milan home game for examble) or the outstanding saves from Big Pete (Inter Milan away for example), to name just three players( I could name some more)we wouldn`t even went as far as the semis. And even in that night against Juventus we needed 3 goals; keano scored one ot them.

I´ll never questioned the importance of Keane, but some posters always question the importance of the rest of team. :mad:
 
Keane is an incredibly talented player,but it is the other parts which make him the player he is,the best footballer of his generation in the world
 
is that ever, or ever ever? <img src="confused.gif" border="0">
 
Originally posted by RUDDY:
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what repercussions of it hes out for 3 months now anyway

maybe he knew that and wanted a dig at the scum that is macateer</strong><hr></blockquote>


Fergie already said last week that they were putting off Keane's op.

So he didn't know it - they're just taking advantage of it now.

But you can bet that the league will make him do his suspension after he's fit to come back. United should have waited until the ban was in affect until announcing the op.
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But you can bet that the league will make him do his suspension after he's fit to come back. United should have waited until the ban was in affect until announcing the op. <hr></blockquote>

Livvie, I was also thinking that & posted the same in another forum!
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Originally posted by Livvie20:
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Jason McAteer deserved a good smacking imo. But deserving it and getting it are two different things. The sad thing is, I don't know if Roy was actually capable of controlling himself.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I really amazing , IMO, that Keane can rant about some of his teammates lack of desire costing United last season when he gives no consideration to his stupid actions on the field that affect the side negatively. Keane should grow up and learn to be true sportsman. Although it was different era, did you know that Sir Bobby Charlton was only ever booked once in his career! And that was a mistake by the ref! No one would ever say that he floated and played without desire. Would they?
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Originally posted by MancFanFromManc:
<strong>The way to replace Roy Keane is to play more creative football. Sounds simple I know, but (as I've said on here before) some of stuff we played when he was out with his cruciate was sublime.

Real Madrid dont have a midfield hatchet man to win them the ball. They dont give the bloody thing away in the first place.

Work hard and move the ball around fast and accurately. Dont get me wrong Keane does that aswell as anyone (people forget how good a passer he is) but Nicky Butt will give a fair percentage of Keano's fire and if allowed to might prove to be a better 'footballer'.

Its all opinions and theories of course. Lets see how we cope during the games he's missing for.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Thank god for some sense

keano is no a god, he is not indispensable and if we are a one man team then we really have got some problems.

Butt was excellent at the end of last year and maybe without keane shouting in his ear all the time can develop a good understanding with veron - who know Keane might be fighting to get his place back in three months and wouldn't that be good news for MUFC even if it isn't good for Keano Ltd.
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