How do you think we’ll fare in the Champions League next season?

Depends on who owns us and who we can sign this summer too.
 
Depends purely on signings we make.

Buy a proper ST and we will go far.
 
Out in the group stages after a ref disaster class
 
Finish 3rd in the group stage and then lose to Sevilla in the Europa League Final on penalties
 
Depends who we get in our group. Plus the signings will be crucial. Need more quality to take us to the next step.
 
A quality ST and CM is crucial, throw in a quality CB and GK too and I think we'd go far, provided players are fit.
 
Sign a GK, RB, CM and CF of top quality, keep important players like Varane, Martinez, Shaw, Casemiro and Rashford fit and available and I don’t see why we can’t make the quarters.
 
CL = ETH territory. Clubs should fear us next season.
 
Siorac said:
https://www.uefa.com/nationalassociations/uefarankings/club/#/yr/2023

If we qualify, we'll almost certainly be first seeds, considering neither Chelsea nor Liverpool will be in the competition next season.
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Its not been like that for years.

Pot 1 contains the league winners of the top six associations based on their UEFA coefficient along with both the Champions League holders and Europa League holders.

If either of the latter two are also league winners from a top-six association, champions of the seventh- and eighth-ranked associations will be bumped up from whatever pot they were in.
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thegregster said:
Its not been like that for years.
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Oh yeah, sorry, totally forgot about that change. I live in the good old days, mentally.

Well, second seed then. Unless we win the EL which, let's face it, isn't going to happen.
 
ETH seems to have a grip on European competitions so I’m fairly sure we’re not going to be horrifically bad if we get into the CL. I think this season has prepped him well, with us having two games a week virtually every week since the World Cup ended. He knows who can handle it, who needs to be managed to handle it better and the players he needs to pull it off better than he has been doing.

The very best teams play two games a week regularly, win both and still look good doing it. There’s been lots of teams who look really good when they’ve got one game a week most weeks, then when they get into Europe and have two games a week regularly, they crumble.
 
I think currently we are a top 10 team in Europe, so that would mean roughly quarter finals. In terms of the level a team can reach during the CL ignoring injuries (higher stakes, cup games, so consistency less important, injuries hard to predict), I'd say something like this in terms of tiers. So top tier aiming to win, 2nd tier aiming for semi final with hopes of winning, 3rd tier quarters, 4th tier probable round of 16 elimination or get a favourable draw. Underdogs against anyone in a higher tier, even game generally in same tier.

Tier 1: City, Real Madrid, Bayern
Tier 2: PSG, Arsenal, Liverpool
Tier 3: United, Barcelona, Atletico Madrid, Napoli
Tier 4: Newcastle, Brighton, Dortmund, Milan, Inter, Spurs, Juve, Leipzig

Get Osimhen in the summer and I think we are tier 2 next season.
 
Quarters sounds about right but as always it will depend on the draw. We've been really unconvincing in the Champions League over the last decade. Our best run in the competition since Ferguson left was probably the Moyes season which says it all really.
 
bosnian_red said:
I think currently we are a top 10 team in Europe, so that would mean roughly quarter finals. In terms of the level a team can reach during the CL ignoring injuries (higher stakes, cup games, so consistency less important, injuries hard to predict), I'd say something like this in terms of tiers. So top tier aiming to win, 2nd tier aiming for semi final with hopes of winning, 3rd tier quarters, 4th tier probable round of 16 elimination or get a favourable draw. Underdogs against anyone in a higher tier, even game generally in same tier.

Tier 1: City, Real Madrid, Bayern
Tier 2: PSG, Arsenal, Liverpool
Tier 3: United, Barcelona, Atletico Madrid, Napoli
Tier 4: Newcastle, Brighton, Dortmund, Milan, Inter, Spurs, Juve, Leipzig

Get Osimhen in the summer and I think we are tier 2 next season.
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Why are Arsenal and Liverpool ahead of us? If it's based on current form, then Arsenal should be ahead, but not Liverpool. If based on a longer-term form, then Liverpool should be ahead, but not Arsenal. Arsenal are very inexperienced in Europe, haven't been in the Champions League since 2016, have failed to even win a Europa League in that time. I think all the Tier 3 teams would fancy their chances against Arsenal next season in Europe.
 
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Why are Arsenal and Liverpool ahead of us? If it's based on current form, then Arsenal should be ahead, but not Liverpool. If based on a longer-term form, then Liverpool should be ahead, but not Arsenal. Arsenal are very inexperienced in Europe, haven't been in the Champions League since 2016, have failed to even win a Europa League in that time. I think all the Tier 3 teams would fancy their chances against Arsenal next season in Europe.
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Arsenal are challenging for the title properly and are undeniably ahead of us currently, and Liverpool have struggled this season with motivation and injuries, but I'd imagine they bounce back next season (not quite to the level as most of their past, but still better than this season). Their home form is quite good but their away form is where they just couldn't get motivated properly this season, fall out from last season basically. I don't think we have shown enough to be ahead of either in a general pre-season ranking... though Liverpool won't even be in the CL so they're irrelevant in this.
 
CM10 said:
Quarters sounds about right but as always it will depend on the draw. We've been really unconvincing in the Champions League over the last decade. Our best run in the competition since Ferguson left was probably the Moyes season which says it all really.
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Ah yes, the great comeback against Olympiakos
 
Winning it with, with some good transfers.

The rest of Europes top teams are in the shitter and in transitional periods too.

Champions League is in that 01-04 phase again now, anybody could really win it.
 
Oranges038 said:
Winning it with, with some good transfers.

The rest of Europes top teams are in the shitter and in transitional periods too.

Champions League is in that 01-04 phase again now, anybody could really win it.
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What do you mean? If you mean the years 2001-2004, then Bayern, Madrid, Milan are hardly “anybody”. Only Porto was an underdog team.

To answer the question, I can’t see us winning it next season. I mean we struggled against an awful Sevilla team.

If you look at other teams who have recently won it, only Chelsea was a surprise winner (deserved but they were hardly favourites).
Liverpool lost a final first before winning it, Bayern reached several semi finals before winning it, City also semi finals and a final so far without winning it.
 
bosnian_red said:
Arsenal are challenging for the title properly and are undeniably ahead of us currently, and Liverpool have struggled this season with motivation and injuries, but I'd imagine they bounce back next season (not quite to the level as most of their past, but still better than this season). Their home form is quite good but their away form is where they just couldn't get motivated properly this season, fall out from last season basically. I don't think we have shown enough to be ahead of either in a general pre-season ranking... though Liverpool won't even be in the CL so they're irrelevant in this.
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Let's see but I'm not sure Arsenal would be ahead of us in CL chances next season, if they blow the league, they could learn from it and become better, or just fall off what turned out to be a level of overachievement like Liverpool did a few times, and to a lesser extent what Spurs did.

United with a few more extra players for depth and a proper striker could hit a new level under Ten Hag next season, you wouldn't know. And there's quite a bit more high-level European experience in the United squad than Arsenal's.
 
Arsenal will probably go out in the group stage, they couldn’t even beat Sporting.
 
Armed with a competent squad and the Dutch baldie, gotta to be winning it haven't we?
 
united_99 said:
What do you mean? If you mean the years 2001-2004, then Bayern, Madrid, Milan are hardly “anybody”. Only Porto was an underdog team.

To answer the question, I can’t see us winning it next season. I mean we struggled against an awful Sevilla team.

If you look at other teams who have recently won it, only Chelsea was a surprise winner (deserved but they were hardly favourites).
Liverpool lost a final first before winning it, Bayern reached several semi finals before winning it, City also semi finals and a final so far without winning it.
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I mean that in and around those years there was no real top top standout teams, the standard of the teams amongst the knockout phases was quite even and the "bigger" teams including Utd got knocked out by lesser fancied opponents.

Valencia were a decent side got to 2 finals, Leverkusen 1 final, Porto and Monaco in the other. Then you had that fecking awful Juve/Milan final. You also had Deportivo, Panathanaikos, Stuttgart etc knocking round in the last 16/8.

It's quite similar now with the teams in the knockout phases of this CL draw, Utd aren't that far away from most of them, Spurs, Brugge Inter, AC, Benfica, Bayern, Dortmund, PSG etc.. I'd think that with some astute signings Utd could take on any of that lot over 2 legs and win. Real and City are probably the only 2 teams in there that are a bit much further ahead of the rest.
 
mu4c_20le said:
Ah yes, the great comeback against Olympiakos
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More the fact that we looked like we had a sniff of making the semis for about 30 seconds v Bayern!

The PSG tie under Ole was the best individual knockout game we've had in that time but the fact we tanked against Barcelona in the following round took some of the gloss off it.
 
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