How do you feel about 3D in movies/television?

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While I have a long-held distaste for 3D films(aside from IMAX), I was reminded of it by reading an article saying that the Hobbit will be released in both 3D and conventional 2D formats. I've seen several movies in 3D but not very many. Over the last couple years, it seems that any action or big-time blockbuster is released in 3D, but is it a good thing?

The last thing I saw in 3D was Up by Pixar, which was a very good movie but the 3D was extremely limited. About 30 minutes in I had to take off my glasses to relieve the headache that I was getting from watching it in 3D. It definitely didn't ruin the movie for me, but I don't really want to see it again as I do with most Pixar movies. Looking at 3D outside of Pixar, the conspicuous choice to discuss in reference to 3D is Avatar. I saw it in 2D. The visuals were fantastic and everything superficial was amazing. When compared to the graphics, the story is dreadful. It's essentially the same as numerous films made over the last half century and offers very little stimulation. Acting in the film is almost non-existent since it's mostly voice-over work. When I add all this up, I get that it was an exceedingly mediocre film that should make some money and then be forgotten. It pales in comparison to great and even very good films, yet it made more money than the Catholic Church has acquired in the last 2000 years.

I guess for the average moviegoer it's a great experience because of the visuals and that's why it made so much money. That doesn't make it less frustrating that this pile of crap made an insane amount of money based on a plagiarized plot and so fancy CGI. CGI is already a detriment to many movies because it is a tool to cover up other deficiencies in the film(see Star Wars Episodes 1-3, Matrix 2-3). When used in moderation or properly, it can be a great addition to a film, but it's become a crutch for many filmmakers. Instead of having engaging fight scenes, you have shit flying everywhere and blowing up.

For me, 3D will just become another misused technology that detracts from the quality and experience of movies being made. It's already been added in as a gimmick in various movies released over the past year to increase revenue without improving any aspect of the film.

So, what do you all think about its use in films and television? It could be used well in certain circumstances, but I think it will generally detract from the core of a movie, like plot, characters, etc.

I'm not sure if there's a thread like this since the search function didn't show up anything for "3D" but did find a thread about 3D tv when I searched for "gimmick".
 
Meh. Not interested in 3D movies or TV shows. The only 3D thing I'm interested in is the 3DS. (Oh, and the dinosaur magazines from when I was a kid that had 3D pictures in :D)

TBH though I'm not one for modern effects and stuff in general. HD, CGI etc, is just one big "bleh" for me.

Although... maybe things like Planet Earth could use it pretty well. I guess if I had to watch something with 3D it would be something like that. Oh and 3D porn.
 
I guess it's a logical progression with filmmakers having access to new technology but I will only be able to embrace it when it is cheaper and more readily available. I own a HDTV and a surround system as it is but if I want to buy a 3DTV and get 3DBlu-rays, I will need to buy brand specific players (Panasonic for film A, Samsung for film B) and that doesn't appeal to me much.
 
I agree with the OP entirely, I hate the way films seem to be more about the special effects than the story these days. I didn't see Avatar because I knew the story was the same as in many other films as you said and the fact it was 3D just didn't interest me at all. I've had people saying to me since how it was such an amazing visual experience but I just dont care about that.

I guess there are instances where 3D could add something to an already good production, but I doubt there will be many, and certainly not enough to warrant the money involved in putting the technology in your home.

I guess it's a logical progression with filmmakers having access to new technology but I will only be able to embrace it when it is cheaper and more readily available. I own a HDTV and a surround system as it is but if I want to buy a 3DTV and get 3DBlu-rays, I will need to buy brand specific players (Panasonic for film A, Samsung for film B) and that doesn't appeal to me much.

Is that right, that certain films will only be available on certain players? Kind of like when HD-DVD was fighting with BluRay? If that's the case it's ridiculous and will only hurt the advancement of the technology in my opinion. As will the fact that one brand of 3D specs will only work with that brands TV (apparently), so if I had a Samsung 3D TV and my mate had a Sony, if he invited me over to watch a film at his place he'd have to have an extra pair of Sony 3D specs because mind wouldn't work. Crazy!

To be honest I'm kind of hoping that 3DTV goes the way of the Betamax and the MiniDisc, but I'm not holding my breath as I sense the general feeling will be "oooooh it looks so cool" and decent films will become even more rare.
 
I only have one functioning eye, so 3D can kiss my ass.
 
As will the fact that one brand of 3D specs will only work with that brands TV (apparently), so if I had a Samsung 3D TV and my mate had a Sony, if he invited me over to watch a film at his place he'd have to have an extra pair of Sony 3D specs because mind wouldn't work. Crazy!

This is a problem, but the reason is that the TV tells the specs to switch using IR for the main part, so it's a similar problem in that a remote control for your Samsung TV will not work to control a Sony TV.
 
I watched Avatar in 3D and must admit that while I enjoyed the effects, the movie itself was a pile of crap and I too came out of it with a headache (I thought that it might have been the OTT sound effects with bangs and explosions every five seconds but as the OP states that he got a headache watching Up then I am tending to go with my first thought - that it was the 3D glasses which caused the headache).

I just can't imagine sitting at home with the family and we're all wearing silly shades all day long while we watch TV.

It just seems like one big gimmick at the moment and gimmicks don't generally have a long term future.

I am not big into technology and so I might be wrong here but is it not the case that there are currently three different 3D formats and the industry has yet to plump for one over the others?

When the industry decides which one it is going to run with, we might see the end of the compatibility issues because it has been shown with other technologies in the past that what the market wants above all else is a universal standard (even if the marketplace doesn't always go for the best option - see VHS vs Betamax) and so this tends to be what happens.
 
I only have one functioning eye, so 3D can kiss my ass.

I guess when you look in the mirror your ass never looks big. :p

Any and all 3D I've seen, including Avatar in IMAX, is a strain on the eyes. Not to mention a degradation in the bluray quality which is currently fantastic in 2D.

I ain't sacrificing that to be able to see punch and judy on my tellybox just yet. Maybe in 2-3 years time when 3D bluray matches the quality of today's 2D bluray.
 
I guess when you look in the mirror your ass never looks big. :p

Any and all 3D I've seen, including Avatar in IMAX, is a strain on the eyes. Not to mention a degradation in the bluray quality which is currently fantastic in 2D.

I ain't sacrificing that to be able to see punch and judy on my tellybox just yet. Maybe in 2-3 years time when 3D bluray matches the quality of today's 2D bluray.

Same here. Usually after 30mins it's given me a headache. But the other problem is the fading of the colours due to the glasses. Toy Story 3 for example looked a lot more vibrant and bright without the glasses. It's clearly a gimmick though, most 3D films look like cardboard cut outs.

I'm staying away.
 
I am not big into technology and so I might be wrong here but is it not the case that there are currently three different 3D formats and the industry has yet to plump for one over the others?

3D is basically concrete as part of the Blu-ray specification. All the TV is doing is taking two images over HDMI instead of one, and flicking between them, controlling the glasses at the same time. The formats you are referring to are not formats at all, rather display technologies. It's no different to Plasma, LCD, CRT, etc.
 
Possible with current technology??

I don't think that it's ever possible in terms of real life live action filming. How can you have say 120 different cameras in a sphere surrounding what you want to capture? It can obviously only work with CGI films where the computer spits out all of the different views of the scene, or with live action on a small stage with that then transposed into a computer generated world.
 
I don't think that it's ever possible in terms of real life live action filming. How can you have say 120 different cameras in a sphere surrounding what you want to capture? It can obviously only work with CGI films where the computer spits out all of the different views of the scene, or with live action on a small stage with that then transposed into a computer generated world.

Japan's promised it for 202? WC if they're successful - feck knows how. Apparently holographic TVs could be out within a decade but Star Wars type holo projections are still a distant dream.
 
Yeah, but for a stadium it's possible if you put enough cameras about. The actual world being filmed (ie. the stadium) is static - it is a small stage. Making a movie is a totally different matter.
 
Yeah, but for a stadium it's possible if you put enough cameras about. The actual world being filmed (ie. the stadium) is static - it is a small stage. Making a movie is a totally different matter.

So you're saying only for animations/CGI and sports?

 
BBC News - Toshiba show 3DTV without glasses

Toshiba show 3DTV without glasses

Toshiba has launched what it claims are the first 3D television sets that do not require special glasses.

The two sets are able to create 3D effects in real time from standard film and television pictures.

The televisions use a special lenticular sheet to create an array of nine overlapping images.

A viewer sees different images with each eye, creating the illusion of a 3D picture.

The system is similar to that used in the Nintendo 3DS handheld console.

Both Toshiba televisions use the Cell processor - originally designed for the PlayStation 3 - to process the pictures.

Masaaki Oosumi, president of Toshiba Visual Products said it was "obviously more natural to watch TV without glasses".

However, the technology requires a person to be sat in an optimal position to see clear 3D images.

The electronics giant suggests a person sits 90cm (35in) from its 20in set and 65cm (25in) from the 12in screen. The picture is also best viewed with a 40-degree "sweet spot" in front of the set.

These limitations are why most manufacturers - including Sony, Samsung and Panasonic - use glasses to generate 3D effects.

These rely on images for each eye being broadcast one after the other in rapid succession.

Filters in the glasses flash on and off in sync with the picture, filtering the correct image to each eye. The brain recombines the image into a 3D picture.

3D TV is still in its infancy, but broadcasters are already ramping up efforts to provide content in the UK.

Last week, Sky launched Europe's first dedicated 3D television channel, whilst Virgin has launched a 3D movie channel.

Toshiba said the smaller version of its new sets will cost about 120,000 yen ($1,400), and the larger one will be double the price. It is also working on a larger 56 inch model.

It said it hoped to sell 1,000 units a month but currently has no plans to sell the sets abroad.

They were unveiled at the Ceatec electronics show in Tokyo, Japan.
 
It never took off in the 80's, partly due to the stupid glasses you have to wear.

Jaws 3D? Freddie 3D? Pah.

Obviously the technology has improved in leaps and bounds since then. Visually, Avatar blew me away and if they can get something like that in the home ie. affordable and without the stupid glasses then I'm sure it'll be huge. I'm not sold on it though.
 
Toy Story 3 in 3D was awful, it felt like watching a copyed dvd. I don't think Sky can justify the amount they are charging for Sky 3D. High definition sets the standard at the moment imo.
 
Toy Story 3 in 3D was awful, it felt like watching a copyed dvd. I don't think Sky can justify the amount they are charging for Sky 3D. High definition sets the standard at the moment imo.

It costs no more than Sky HD.
 
The point with 3d imo is that it should be pretty subtle. It should add background depth to increase the image quality rather than being awkward and hurting your eyes because so much is going on in the foreground/background.

I really enjoyed watching Shrek in 3d (my first 3d experience) but I can't see how it will catch on unless directors tune down the visual impact of the 3d. It should simply be another layer to the overall frame rather than being a gimmick.
 
But you have to have the premium channels (Sky Sports & Movies) in HD for it to be that way.

Oh right, I've always had the full package so I didn't know about all the intricacies of the different options. I don't think there's much point in having HD without sports and movies anyway, but I guess it's all personal preference.
 
Oh right, I've always had the full package so I didn't know about all the intricacies of the different options. I don't think there's much point in having HD without sports and movies anyway, but I guess it's all personal preference.

To be fair, I will make a proper judgement when Saw 3D comes out. The effects will be sharper so it will be easier to judge then.