How are we looking better when all our forwards are useless (according to the Caf)?

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I’m scratching my head.

Weghorst is useless, Rashford needs his bubble bursting, Martial stealing a living, Antony garbage, Garnacho naive and Sancho weak mentally.

EtH is doing even better when you realise how dreadful all his players are. What’s the secret?! I’m sure the knowledgeable Caf can tell us..
 
Rashford and his bubble bursting, what a thread that one was, even better than the new contract or sell one :lol:
 
Rashford's bubble will burst at some point, he can't realistically play like he has every game, the problem is that we don't have anyone else at present to step up and score enough goals, ETH will not be able to do anything about that unless he figures out how to keep Martial out of his sick bed
 
Red in STL said:
Rashford's bubble will burst at some point, he can't realistically play like he has every game, the problem is that we don't have anyone else at present to step up and score enough goals, ETH will not be able to do anything about that unless he figures out how to keep Martial out of his sick bed
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Funny how we don't have anyone else to step up, yet 3 different players stepped up last night, alone.
 
ETH is the glue making it all work.
From the original post, yeah, Martial has been stealing a living for most of his United career. But the new shiny god Erik has, worked miracles with the rest.
 
Seriously speaking, if our attack was on the level with our midfield and defence, we would be actual serious title challengers and not just a sliver of hope at one.
 
TheReligion said:
I’m scratching my head.

Weghorst is useless, Rashford needs his bubble bursting, Martial stealing a living, Antony garbage, Garnacho naive and Sancho weak mentally.

EtH is doing even better when you realise how dreadful all his players are. What’s the secret?! I’m sure the knowledgeable Caf can tell us..
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Not all of them are useless, duh

Only Martial needs seeing off honestly. The rest are fine or will be fine I think.
 
bosnian_red said:
Seriously speaking, if our attack was on the level with our midfield and defence, we would be actual serious title challengers and not just a sliver of hope at one.
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You do realise that Ten Hag has only been around since last summer, don't you?

The fact that he's managed to turn things completely around in that time is little short of miraculous.

Don't be so fecking ungrateful.
 
Sassy Colin said:
You do realise that Ten Hag has only been around since last summer, don't you?

The fact that he's managed to turn things completely around in that time is little short of miraculous.

Don't be so fecking ungrateful.
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I don't think he's being ungrateful, I think he's more pointing out how good we have been in the back and middle of the pitch.
 
What looks good for them is something like Ronaldo, Cavani, Martial, Rashford with Pogba playing behind them. Only for us to get twatted by the likes of Young Boys.
 
We’ve scored 15 less then Arsenal & 23 less then City while conceding only 5 & 3 more respectively. We have a GD of +13 compared to Arsenal’s +33 & City’s +39. If our attack was on the same level as those two we’d probably be top.

It’s clear as day what the weakest part of the team is and what needs addressing most urgently this summer. And that’s the attack. We simply don’t have enough goals in this team yet. I’m sure Erik will address that.
 
We've become good at pressing and are more effective in transitions. Some of our general play is still pretty poor at times though, we're better off the ball than on it.
 
Rashford is playing at a world class level this season.

The same cannot be said for Martial, Sancho, Antony, Elanga, Weghorst or Garnacho.

Garnacho has been fantastic but it's his breakout season and he's by no means a regular starter, let alone a world class footballer.
 
Sassy Colin said:
Funny how we don't have anyone else to step up, yet 3 different players stepped up last night, alone.
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Sassy Colin said:
You do realise that Ten Hag has only been around since last summer, don't you?

The fact that he's managed to turn things completely around in that time is little short of miraculous.

Don't be so fecking ungrateful.
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Holy fecking shit. Colin said something that I completely agree with. I love you, really.
 
bosnian_red said:
Seriously speaking, if our attack was on the level with our midfield and defence, we would be actual serious title challengers and not just a sliver of hope at one.
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To be fair, while outsiders we're well placed to make a late push.

We're not to far away and if we maintain our current resilient form who knows.

I wouldn't be putting the family silver on it personally but I quite like the idea of being just close enough to worry Arsenal, City and the media.
 
TheReligion said:
I’m scratching my head.

Weghorst is useless, Rashford needs his bubble bursting, Martial stealing a living, Antony garbage, Garnacho naive and Sancho weak mentally.

EtH is doing even better when you realise how dreadful all his players are. What’s the secret?! I’m sure the knowledgeable Caf can tell us..
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Witchcraft
Wizardry
Magic

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Malone_Post said:
We’ve scored 15 less then Arsenal & 23 less then City while conceding only 5 & 3 more respectively. We have a GD of +13 compared to Arsenal’s +33 & City’s +39. If our attack was on the same level as those two we’d probably be top.

It’s clear as day what the weakest part of the team is and what needs addressing most urgently this summer. And that’s the attack. We simply don’t have enough goals in this team yet. I’m sure Erik will address that.
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I think it's fair to say we took bit to get going. The first two games may very well come back and be the difference between top 4 and a title. 6 points dropped that I'm very confident we'd pick up now.

We've also been messed around by fixtures quite a bit this season. Palace away and Leeds being another 4 points that had they been played when originally scheduled would likely have given us those lost points. The Palace game also having a knock-on effect going into the Arsenal game.
 
Not sure what the point of this thread is. Are you saying we don't need a new forward? Are you saying Weghorst, Martial, Sancho, Antony have scored enough goals? We play well as a team but we aren't clinical and we've scored quite a bit less than the top teams. As Ten Hag constantly reminds people, we still have a long way to go. Our ambition is to be the best; that means winning league titles and CL's. Some players will need to improve and we'll also need to sign a few others to turn those ambitions into reality
 
Every other team is even more shit than we are. That's the only explanation, because boy are we shit.
 
Sassy Colin said:
You do realise that Ten Hag has only been around since last summer, don't you?

The fact that he's managed to turn things completely around in that time is little short of miraculous.

Don't be so fecking ungrateful.
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The feck? I'm saying ten hag has been so good and our team has played so well that we're not that far from a title challenging level this season despite getting virtually no form from our attackers bar Rashford. Our main striker has been injured all year, the Ronaldo shit happened, we loaned a striker from Burnley who doesn't score goals and who is doing a good job for us because of how good our coach is at setting it all up, our big money signing is injured frequently and while we are better with him, he is clearly adapting to the league and the pressures (and he doesn't provide much creativity in general). Sancho was absent for months. It's remarkable how good we are with only Rashford and Garnacho (as an 18 year old) having good seasons from the front 3 players.

What did you think I meant?
 
TheReligion said:
I’m scratching my head.

Weghorst is useless, Rashford needs his bubble bursting, Martial stealing a living, Antony garbage, Garnacho naive and Sancho weak mentally.

EtH is doing even better when you realise how dreadful all his players are. What’s the secret?! I’m sure the knowledgeable Caf can tell us..
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Not sure what you meant by better (what basis for comparison).

IMO, if we look at our position objectively, we're doing on par with what this squad capable of. We were expected to beat all those teams in the cup tournaments bar Barcelona. Barcelona games were tricky, but they're beatable. And despite playing better (midfield, defense, tactic, game management) over two legs, the result reflect how close our lack of goal can be undone by a subdued Barcelona sides. ETH managed very well to navigate the congested schedule, but we have been enjoying decent luck of draw in cup tournaments for most part of the season.

In the league, we're on par with the quality we possess. We're a team capable of 80+ point. That put us comfortable in top 4 which with a chance for title challenge for an average season. Arsenal, and City are still capable of 90 point season, so we's currently seen with outsider chance. We're still far from a monster team with high 90 point or 100 point season.

The point being that this squad is capable, and ETH looked to be able to build a foundation for the future. However, this squad is bare and flawed in attack. Some starting positions are upgradable; and the gap between back up and starters are huge. ETH is doing very well at extracting all the quality of out this squad. He added new dimension to this team compare to previous manager, which make our performance is more sustainable. However, as is, we're still very containable and beatable and we often don't have the luxury to rest our best players fully even against teams in bottom half of the table.

We made progress and achieved small success to build on. It's still too soon with "We're back" stuff though. In this age, the consistent title challenger and winner maybe expected to be capable of high 90 point. One season wonder is great, but where we belong is to be expected to competing for top trophies every year with no excuse. We're not there yet. Still "work in progress", even if by chance, we mount a title challenge in latter stage of this season.
 
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bosnian_red said:
The feck? I'm saying ten hag has been so good and our team has played so well that we're not that far from a title challenging level this season despite getting virtually no form from our attackers bar Rashford. Our main striker has been injured all year, the Ronaldo shit happened, we loaned a striker from Burnley who doesn't score goals and who is doing a good job for us because of how good our coach is at setting it all up, our big money signing is injured frequently and while we are better with him, he is clearly adapting to the league and the pressures (and he doesn't provide much creativity in general). Sancho was absent for months. It's remarkable how good we are with only Rashford and Garnacho (as an 18 year old) having good seasons from the front 3 players.

What did you think I meant?
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Yeah your point is a fair one, which is a really good sign. You've been getting excellent results, and that's with someone like Weghorst who while doing a solid job can obviously be upgraded. If ETH has you doing this well at the moment, imagine what he can do after another window to shape the squad to his liking.
 
I think once Wout breaks the duck he might end up getting a few. Be interesting to see if he could go on a little scoring run what that would do to his price. Think at the minute Burnley would be wanting £15 for him, if he scored a few they might want to double their money at least.
 
Sassy Colin said:
Funny how we don't have anyone else to step up, yet 3 different players stepped up last night, alone.
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Souness was talking where the goals coming from if rashford not their.

But since November we have scored a lot more goals than any other team In England across all comps, and near sure rashford hasn't scored them all.


No doubt he's a huge player for us, but the way we play we will defo score goals, they fairly spread about, most of the bench as well.
 
TheReligion said:
I’m scratching my head.

Weghorst is useless, Rashford needs his bubble bursting, Martial stealing a living, Antony garbage, Garnacho naive and Sancho weak mentally.

EtH is doing even better when you realise how dreadful all his players are. What’s the secret?! I’m sure the knowledgeable Caf can tell us..
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I don’t know how people dislike Wout. He’s basically a free stopgap, runs till he drops, manager likes him for a specific job etc etc.
You can think he’s not good enough long term but still like him, but I must be in the minority there
 
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