Herr Musk | Fascist

Mr Pigeon said:
How long until they've tested the waters enough that they're comfortable openly saying "white is right"? I give it twelve months at this rate.
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Couple months til we get "Thanks to Trump, the White House is the right house," and from there it's just a small matter of subtraction.
 
didz said:
Couple months til we get "Thanks to Trump, the White House is the right house," and from there it's just a small matter of subtraction.
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I'd be careful with fancy words like subtraction. The superior race that spend their days shagging their sisters will get confused and angry.
 
Berbaclass said:
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It must feel like a delightful time in the world if you are far right and/or racist.

This clown is popping up everywhere and has the platform, name, resources and following to put serious weight behind all these movements. He must be like fecking Ironman to them.
 
Cloud7 said:
It must feel like a delightful time in the world if you are far right and/or racist.

This clown is popping up everywhere and has the platform, name, resources and following to put serious weight behind all these movements. He must be like fecking Ironman to them.
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I said it before but he is what the far right accused Soros of being. The difference being that it's actually true in this case.
 
Solius said:
Oh man first he does two awkward gestures and now he’s at a far right German rally. What a week for coinkydinks.

He’s a fecking scum piece of shit. On top of that he’s one of the biggest losers the world has ever seen. Just a colossal embarrassment and fascist prick.
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He’s only giving his heart and zooming a rocket off to mars
 
golden_blunder said:
AfD are too far right even for LePen and he’s firmly attached his trailer to one of the most far right political groups around
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AfD isn't too far right for Le Pen, that's exactly where she belongs. Now she knows that it is one of the reason why she hits a glass ceiling in France, so every year she pretends to distance herself from AfD and their equivalents. But that's just for appearances.
 
JPRouve said:
AfD isn't too far right for Le Pen, that's exactly where she belongs. Now she knows that it is one of the reason why she hits a glass ceiling in France, so every year she pretends to distance herself from AfD and their equivalents. But that's just for appearances.
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Fair enough, you’re French so you’re closer to the action there
 
JPRouve said:
AfD isn't too far right for Le Pen, that's exactly where she belongs. Now she knows that it is one of the reason why she hits a glass ceiling in France, so every year she pretends to distance herself from AfD and their equivalents. But that's just for appearances.
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That’s good to hear.

If the political stability following the July 2024 election improves until 2027, what do you think her ceiling would be? 40-45%?

I follow the news from France, but I don’t live there. Your input would be appreciated.
 
ManUtd1999 said:
That’s good to hear.

If the political stability following the July 2024 election improves until 2027, what do you think her ceiling would be? 40-45%?

I follow the news from France, but I don’t live there. Your input would be appreciated.
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I don't know what her ceiling is right know. 2027 doesn't have centrist option, today it's either RN or the current left coalition and they are both made of absolute basterds. So there is a big chance of abstention in epic proportions.
 
JPRouve said:
I don't know what her ceiling is right know. 2027 doesn't have centrist option, today it's either RN or the current left coalition and they are both made of absolute basterds. So there is a big chance of abstention in epic proportions.
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Thank you.

Well, I’m assuming that right-wing bastards would typically beat left-wing bastards.
 
golden_blunder said:
AfD are too far right even for LePen and he’s firmly attached his trailer to one of the most far right political groups around
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My understanding is that Meloni, Wilders and even Le Pen have moderated some of their worst excesses as they got closer to power/ actually entered power.

My fear is that with the AFD, this doesn’t seem to have happened and that Trumps win , and Musk stirring, will embolden the mask to slip again and remove any perceived benefit even for the bit they have moderated.
 
Wibble said:
Isn't this universally an economic negative for developed nations like the US? Except potentially in isolated situations e.g. national interest/defense or scarce resources?
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Among economists, absolutely. But Trump and his people aren't economists, they are "businessmen".
 
The mask has truly slipped now he’s been given so much power. The world watches clapping and cheering whilst he salutes all his nazi buddies in AfD. Bet he had a wager with them that he’d do it
 
africanspur said:
My understanding is that Meloni, Wilders and even Le Pen have moderated some of their worst excesses as they got closer to power/ actually entered power.

My fear is that with the AFD, this doesn’t seem to have happened and that Trumps win , and Musk stirring, will embolden the mask to slip again and remove any perceived benefit even for the bit they have moderated.
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It will be incredibly interesting to see how the AfD conducts itself the next few months, considering that the possibility that they might get outlawed still looms over them. They have to be careful right now.
 
nimic said:
US companies hate having to comply with GDPR and other consumer protection laws. Apple hates the enforced USB-C standard. The EU could absolutely do even more, but they have taken stands against American megacorporations.
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It is true, and there have been some fines. But such a statement move is unlikely IMO. It goes beyond just red tape.
 
HTG said:
Sadly, I do agree. Our legal system is unable to fight actual threats to our democracy and huge parts of the population seem to think that's a good thing.
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Yeah it's a massive shame. We couldn't even effectively ban NPD, and they were quite a bit more in your face with their extremism
 
hellhunter said:
Yeah it's a massive shame. We couldn't even effectively ban NPD, and they were quite a bit more in your face with their extremism
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That was for different reasons, however. Basically, they could have been banned, but the court deemed it unnecessary, as they were such a small party that the court saw no actual threat that they could enact their anti-constitutional politics. That would definitely not apply to the AfD.
 
HTG said:
That was for different reasons, however. Basically, they could have been banned, but the court deemed it unnecessary, as they were such a small party that the court saw no actual threat that they could enact their anti-constitutional politics. That would definitely not apply to the AfD.
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Fair point yeah. Still feels like if people in power actually believed they had a good shot at banning the AfD, they would've gone ahead and tried already
 
HTG said:
It will be incredibly interesting to see how the AfD conducts itself the next few months, considering that the possibility that they might get outlawed still looms over them. They have to be careful right now.
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The poor guys they are just history buffs. They just want us to show us first hand the "that is how Germany nazi started"
 




This is good to see, and we need more of it, in my opinion. I'm not going to pretend it makes a huge difference, but I think it might help to bring attention among the people that are not terminally online and hyper-informed about what Musk is doing. Associate Tesla and his other companies with Nazism as much as possible. Might even hurt the Tesla share price eventually.
 
Musk has been promoting Le Pen stuff for ages now. It's not even a possibility he's going to be part of their campaign, it's an absolute certainty.


golden_blunder said:
The mask has truly slipped now he’s been given so much power.
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To be fair, the mask slipped a long time ago to anyone who was actually watching. His acquisition of Twitter was where it finally slipped far enough for many to see what he really was always like.

I do think it's funny how quiet he has been regarding his public slapdown by Trump's chief of staff. Denied an office in the West Wing that he no doubt thought he had wrapped up long ago would have been insult enough but to be called out about it must have really pissed him off. As usually though, this story was buried for the most part and has been reported far less than the majority of other stories coming out this week. His Nazi salute got infinite more coverage.

The article is great, despite being in the Daily Mail, she sounds reasonable and has a no nonsense approach. She really does have a serious job on her hands though, and it's an almost certainly she will get replaced or walk inside 18 months.
 
langster said:
Musk has been promoting Le Pen stuff for ages now. It's not even a possibility he's going to be part of their campaign, it's an absolute certainty.




To be fair, the mask slipped a long time ago to anyone who was actually watching. His acquisition of Twitter was where it finally slipped far enough for many to see what he really was always like.

I do think it's funny how quiet he has been regarding his public slapdown by Trump's chief of staff. Denied an office in the West Wing that he no doubt thought he had wrapped up long ago would have been insult enough but to be called out about it must have really pissed him off. As usually though, this story was buried for the most part and has been reported far less than the majority of other stories coming out this week. His Nazi salute got infinite more coverage.

The article is great, despite being in the Daily Mail, she sounds reasonable and has a no nonsense approach. She really does have a serious job on her hands though, and it's an almost certainly she will get replaced or walk inside 18 months.
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Vivek being sidelined has also not been covered enough in my opinion.
 
HTG said:
That was for different reasons, however. Basically, they could have been banned, but the court deemed it unnecessary, as they were such a small party that the court saw no actual threat that they could enact their anti-constitutional politics. That would definitely not apply to the AfD.
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In fact (I‘m quite certain) that was the point made when a ban was initially discussed - they‘re not big enough to pose a realistic threat to the constitution - whereas now they are deemed too big.

But heard a good podcast about it today (SZ, Auf den Punkt) where it was mentioned that even if it‘s quite possible that a trial wouldn‘t result in outright banning the whole party it could also mean some regional branches, like the most radical ones around Höcke etc, can get shut down which would be a massive blow for them still.
 
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