Musk | Fascist

RedSky said:
First time he did it, maybe an awkward mistake. But he did it twice. You need new friends.
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It's just a load of bollocks. Doing a "heart going out to you" action with one hand, you just put your hand on your heart then open it outwards, not do what he did twice, and he doesn't get the benefit of the doubt after everything he's done over the past few years. Couldn't be any more blatant.
 
Ubik said:
I obviously have no insight into your friendships and you can do whatever you want, but this line is particularly interesting to me given you also said they accused you of being brainwashed about it. At the very least it's a bit scary when otherwise entirely "normal" people can engage in this kind of fervent and wilful blindness.
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yeah that's exactly how I felt about it, and why I mentioned it

this is happening in society right now to all types of people
 
HTG said:
I think what is also rampant is opposition without any real action or consequences. People just sitting around, saying this is not good, but not doing anything at all to influence the situation. I am not saying that the poster in question needs to ditch their friends. But I think the question at which point one would do just that is very much relevant. And I think these discussions are very relevant and important right now, because the way things look, there is no actual and meaningful opposition to trumpism in the US.
And the way some people go about these things is nothing but apathy in the face of ascending fascism or at the very least authoritarianism.
Now @Tarrou gave a very reasonable answer to my question. But this is an important question and the answers give an insight into the minds of an opposition that is yet to form and unite in a meaningful way.
Or put otherwise: looking at the US from the pov of someone who sees the writing on the wall for their own country, can give very useful indications on what to expect at home. So I care deeply about the way people in the west but especially in the USA deal with this shitshow and how they justify their own actions or inaction to themselves and the rest of the world, what their red lines are and what moments can serve as the start of an actual counter movement that goes beyond angry social media posts.
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agreed.

Everybody with two eyes and a medium sized brain inbetween could and can see what Musk did. And even when one wants to give him the benefit of the doubt - that wishywashy sh!t he came up with afterwards to deflect made it crystal clear. This ain‘t the time for wishywashy, I guess everybody can at least attest to that.
 
Tarrou said:
Yeah, I have to admit I've been really shocked by all this. Two friends accused me of being brain-washed for thinking it's a Nazi salute, and manipulated by the media.

I think it's reasonable to argue it might have been an awkward mistake or whatever, and not intended as it looked, but to argue, in absolute terms, that it definitely wasn't a Nazi salute is seriously strange to me. It's the most enthusiastic and excitable looking Nazi salute I've ever seen in my life, and then he did it again :lol:
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The attempts at gaslighting from every single one of them is insane. The massive difference between ‘them’ and ‘us’ is that we would call it out and don’t just rabidly defend every single thing they do. They are genuinely the brainwashed ones. I’m not necessarily talking about your friends specifically here, but the gaslighting in general.

The most obvious aspect of it being a purposely executed Nazi salute is that he keeps his hand in the same flat position for the second one, rather than touching his chest with an open hand. Both of which were done by full blown nazis, but it means there’s no mistaking what he was doing with his hand and he certainly wasn’t grabbing his heart.
 
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HTG said:
I think what is also rampant is opposition without any real action or consequences. People just sitting around, saying this is not good, but not doing anything at all to influence the situation. I am not saying that the poster in question needs to ditch their friends. But I think the question at which point one would do just that is very much relevant. And I think these discussions are very relevant and important right now, because the way things look, there is no actual and meaningful opposition to trumpism in the US.
And the way some people go about these things is nothing but apathy in the face of ascending fascism or at the very least authoritarianism.
Now @Tarrou gave a very reasonable answer to my question. But this is an important question and the answers give an insight into the minds of an opposition that is yet to form and unite in a meaningful way.
Or put otherwise: looking at the US from the pov of someone who sees the writing on the wall for their own country, can give very useful indications on what to expect at home. So I care deeply about the way people in the west but especially in the USA deal with this shitshow and how they justify their own actions or inaction to themselves and the rest of the world, what their red lines are and what moments can serve as the start of an actual counter movement that goes beyond angry social media posts.
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I don’t think @Tarrou lives in the US. Last time I saw him mention where lives was in Australia, I think? I do get your point about not letting people get away with saying stupid shit but it does sound as though he challenged their opinion. Which will be much more effective coming from a position of continued friendship.
 
Damien said:
It's just a load of bollocks. Doing a "heart going out to you" action with one hand, you just put your hand on your heart then open it outwards, not do what he did twice, and he doesn't get the benefit of the doubt after everything he's done over the past few years. Couldn't be any more blatant.
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The facial expression too. It's not exactly "love" on it. Add in the context of the words he speaks, the people he boosts on his platform and the political parties he publicly backs...

But it is a sign of the times we live in that people want to downplay it, or play devil's advocate about it.


NotThatSoph said:
Grimes is probably a nazi as well, not holding out much hope for those kids.
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I don't know about Nazi, but she is a brainless prick.
 
Redlambs said:
I don't know about Nazi, but she is a brainless prick.
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She's doing the Musk thing of following and retweeting Nazis and other far right flavours. Being the silicon valley stereotype that she is she's also into Moldbug/Curtis Yarvin. I'm still not convinced if that's worse than the AI art shit she's trying to do.
 
So that's another "looks fascist" thing to add to the massive list of fascist looking things he's done, but it's still more likely that he was simply having a heart attack on stage and was restarting his NeuraHeart implant before trying to swat a fly, twice.
 
Mr Pigeon said:
So that's another "looks fascist" thing to add to the massive list of fascist looking things he's done, but it's still more likely that he was simply having a heart attack on stage and was restarting his NeuraHeart implant before trying to swat a fly, twice.
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Pogue'll be along to solidify his support any minute.
 
Bro is a true and proud fascist. It needs stressing and repeating.

He's also a disgusting and proud racist:
"It's good to be proud of German culture, German values, and not to lose that in some sort of multiculturalism that dilutes everything," Musk said.
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Fridge chutney said:
Bro is a true and proud fascist. It needs stressing and repeating.

He's also a disgusting and proud racist:
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How long until they've tested the waters enough that they're comfortable openly saying "white is right"? I give it twelve months at this rate.
 
I think that is just very important is that people take pride in Germany, and being German. This is very important. It’s, you know, it’s okay to be proud to be German. This is a very important principle, and it’s good to be proud of German culture and values and not to lose that in some sort of multiculturalism that dilutes everything. You know, there’s – I think we want to have unique cultures in the world. We want to have people that have – we don’t want everything to be the same everywhere where it’s just one big sort of soup. We want to have something where it’s you can go to different countries and you experience a different culture, and it is unique and special and good, and that the German government takes action to protect its citizens and make sure that it seeks the health and well-being of the German people.
Musk added that the Romans wrote they were impressed during their first encounters with Germanic tribes.


“These are very, very powerful warriors,” he said. “So, like, you know, I think there’s like really too much of a focus on past guilt, and we need to move beyond that. Children should not be guilty of the sins of their parents or even their parents, their great-grandparents – maybe even. And we should be optimistic and excited about a future for Germany.”


The billionaire tech CEO said voters should choose “self-determination for Germany” and less influence “from Brussels.”
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https://www.mediaite.com/news/elon-...h-guilt-in-country-over-sins-of-grandparents/

well thats all you need. he is completely fascist
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Yeah the “you need new friends” is just another example of the way you’re no longer just allowed to hate what people like Trump and Musk stand for, you have to hate them in the right way. It just seems unnecessarily divisive. And it’s everywhere now.
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This bit doesn't really make sense given that in this scenario his friends were arguing Musk didn't make a Nazi salute and that to believe he did means you've been manipulated by the media. I'd say that goes a little bit further than not hating in the right way
 
we dont even have to focus on the salute anymore. His AfD performance today is enough to end the debates about his beliefs
 
Having a white South African turned American telling a bunch of Germans over Zoom to be proud of who they are and to reject multi-culturalism while at the same time saying there’s too much focus on past guilt and that they aren’t guilty of their parent’s and grandparent’s sins is peak 2025.
 
Redplane said:
Self determination meaning "ally yourself closer with the foreign billionaire class, and forget about the plebs"
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when he launches into the multiculturalism bile, you know he's not talking about the English, Americans, Australians living in Germany.

He talks about "unique cultures" being tainted and corrupted by intermingling (interbreeding) with others. How much more do people need?
 
Oh man first he does two awkward gestures and now he’s at a far right German rally. What a week for coinkydinks.

He’s a fecking scum piece of shit. On top of that he’s one of the biggest losers the world has ever seen. Just a colossal embarrassment and fascist prick.
 
Solius said:
Oh man first he does two awkward gestures and now he’s at a far right German rally. What a week for coinkydinks.

He’s a fecking scum piece of shit. On top of that he’s one of the biggest losers the world has ever seen. Just a colossal embarrassment and fascist prick.
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He promoted them before the Sieg Heils to be fair. Doesn't change anything you said, mind
 
The degenerates are now pointing to his visit to Auschwitz as a defence, but there's also a piece out there from someone who accompanied him and who describes his behind the scenes antics, that is so miserably bleak I don't even want to post it.

And I guess it doesn't really matter because if you aren't prepared to see Musk as he really is by now then nothing will do it, and you are swine.
 
i'm not so surprised by what he said there - he's been orbiting the nationalist right online for a couple of years now. what is surprising is how blatant he has become since 2022. not just in ideology, but in direct party-politics.
 
dumbo said:
The degenerates are now pointing to his visit to Auschwitz as a defence, but there's also a piece out there from someone who accompanied him and who describes his behind the scenes antics, that is so miserably bleak I don't even want to post it.

And I guess it doesn't really matter because if you aren't prepared to see Musk as he really is by now then nothing will do it, and you are swine.
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The whole Auschwitz trip was also a performative penance for repeating the common far right refrain that Jews are pushing anti-white racism and non-white immigration.
 
I like to imagine Hitler throwing these Nazis in the camps for degeneracy and dysgenic IQ, because, cmon!

 
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