Ok boss.
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Ok boss.
I'd say the vast majority not convinced just like them
Hey don't get upset because you literally wrote "small government libertarianism is 100% the politics of Trump" and you are completely wrong there. If that's your view of Trump and Musk then you simply are not informed enough about their actual views and policies they are pushing. Its not about you being "contrarian", you are just flat out wrong, "boss".
He reserves the right to a fair Heil.
I’m not upset in the slightest, believe me!
You, on the other hand…
I'm just holding you to account for making statements that are flat out wrong. Can you admit you were wrong?
If it helps you sleep at night, absolutely. I’m a nice guy. Every little helps.
Pogue's rattling feathers today you can tell he's on one
don't give them an inch mate! double doooon
don't give them an inch mate! double doooon
Pogue you need to play werewolf, at least once. The Caf needs to see it
I remember liking the many years ago version of Elon who was just an excited geek funding SpaceX. All this power and face has led him to be comfortable without having inhibitions.
It's an incredibly dangerous world where he's practically in the same bed as the President of the US.
It's an incredibly dangerous world where he's practically in the same bed as the President of the US.
Altman dissing Musk?
Twittler
You live an ocean away so don't see or feel the consequences on a day to day basis. The reason comments like your 'Trump is just a small government libertarian' are so dangerous is because they normalize and downplay the huge step toward authoritarianism and fascism that Trump and his cronies (including Musk) represent. The way these far right-wing views take hold on a population is because they are constantly being minimized and excused by ignorant comments like 'Trump is just a small government libertarian' or 'Musk is just an edgelord'.
The world is more ripe for this far-right resurgence in part because a lot of cultural memory has been lost in the last 20 years. 25 years ago, Musk could never have got away with a Nazi salute on stage without being completely ostracized because there were still enough people alive then that lived through WWII and had first hand experience of fascism so they were much more in tune with the similarities. We lost a lot of those people in the last 25 years so the population now doesn't have that first hand memory of what authoritarianism and fascism were really like. So it becomes much easier for the far-right to manipulate public opinion, especially after asserting control over social media, by minimizing and passing it off as "just libertarianism" or "just being an edgelord". All that does is normalize these far right ideas even more and serves to mask the threat that has emerged.
fecking hell, I try to like that post (completely contrary to forum regulations, by the way), and get a weird error message I haven't seen before. And then I refresh, and it turns out @moses only went and liked it while I was thinking about it
Ah yes the famously non authoritarian years of the late 90’s/early 2000’s.
Some folk always err on the side of downplaying fascism etc. This has not been a complete new dawn. The structure for this to happen has been in place for decades. Point it out at any point before the fecking Roman salute and you are called hysterical. So the cultural amnesia you speak of runs parallel to this shift allowing it to happen.
The neoliberalism we now shrug and accept as normal and inevitable would have been impossible before 1980.
I don't know if people just don't care or genuinely don't understand or just don't want it to be true, but the phrase sleepwalking into fascism, is both applicable and on another level completely mind boggling to me. For me an acute anti fascist radar is essential at all times. So you can sort it before the worlds richest man is inside the government of the largest army doing fecking Roman salutes.
Right since the very beginning of an analytical discussion of fascism, the middle class (fiscally conservative) centre or bourgeoisie (
) have been identified as a bulwark to fascism and part of the problem. Always fearing a socialist revolution much more than a drift towards fascism. The odd thing is it has rarely worked out well for them under fascist regimes because of their liberalism.fecking hell, I try to like that post (completely contrary to forum regulations, by the way), and get a weird error message I haven't seen before. And then I refresh, and it turns out @moses only went and liked it while I was thinking about it
The caf defo doesn't need both of us.
I'll be the Pancho Villa to your Emiliano Zapata.
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Spell my name correctly and you have a deal.
I was taught at school by several teachers with their concentration camp numbers tattooed on their forearms by their Nazi capturers. After Monday I’m boycotting anything connected to Musk, I plead to every single member of the RedCafe to do the same. Sell your Tesla, delete your Twitter account.
pogue just log off
I'd go as far as boycotting American goods and services where possible.
Great post.
JPMorgan CEO Dimon on CNBC saying Elon is our Einstein.
Weinstein maybe. Einstein, no.
Einstein was a socialist.
feck
Pogue are you always this obstinate when it comes to political issues? It feels like you've been constantly downplaying the severity of all this, is it for some cognitive dissonance that you don't want to come to terms with it? Whatever your reason is it's still a bad one. It's that kind of "it's bad but not that bad" thinking that allows the growth to continue unchecked.
There's a reason people joke and call you the centrist dad, when you do things like this. We enable the far right by dismissing evidence as exaggeration, choosing comfortable ignorance over uncomfortable truths, and it sometimes feels like you're guilty of that here.
This obstinance is not just passive but a deliberate choice to downplay warnings despite overwhelming proof.
There's a reason people joke and call you the centrist dad, when you do things like this. We enable the far right by dismissing evidence as exaggeration, choosing comfortable ignorance over uncomfortable truths, and it sometimes feels like you're guilty of that here.
This obstinance is not just passive but a deliberate choice to downplay warnings despite overwhelming proof.
Some folk always err on the side of downplaying fascism etc. This has not been a complete new dawn. The structure for this to happen has been in place for decades. Point it out at any point before the fecking Roman salute and you are called hysterical. So the cultural amnesia you speak of runs parallel to this shift allowing it to happen.
The neoliberalism we now shrug and accept as normal and inevitable would have been impossible before 1980.
I don't know if people just don't care or genuinely don't understand or just don't want it to be true, but the phrase sleepwalking into fascism, is both applicable but on another level completely mind boggling to me. For me an acute anti fascist radar is essential at all times. So you can sort it before the worlds richest man is inside the government of the largest army doing fecking Roman salutes.
Right since the very beginning of an analytical discussion of fascism, the middle class (fiscally conservative) centre or bourgeoisie (
It feels so eerily like the history books/articles that I had been reading all my life and it had been 10-15 years that I had this sensation at it seems that we are at the final stages of a big event. I don't know in what form. If history repeats itself and fascism is beaten, I am sure in 50 years we will read that the sons and grandsons of Musk that owns Tesla and SpaceX makes no comments on this dad/granddad to these events like they do now with the porsche family or other business like Hugo boss. They will talked about Trump like the same way they talked about Hitler when it was elected. The way he stripped the rights of women, gender and sex differences and racially different, how they round up immigrants like they did with jews, how the conflicts in ukraine, palestine and maybe Taiwan shaped the events, how twitter/meta manipulated the population the same way Goebbels manipulated germans. How similar events to the night of the broken glass may end happening because the jan 6th people et al will feel so emboldened with what is happening with all this pardons, executive orders and nazi salutes (FFS) in a POTUS investiture ceremony out of the open and a big amount of other parallelisms.
People still ask the question how germany reached that point and we see in our faces how it reached that point. People that really wants it, people that is fine with it, a big chunk of people that doesn't understand or care and people that is in denial downplaying it because nuances
It had been so clearly to me for years but I thank you, @oneniltothearsenal , @HTG and others, which being so much intelligent, knowledgeable and articulate lays out the facts with what is going on
This is the same douchebag who's tried to bring everyone in JPM back to the office full time, despite the overwhelming evidence that their hybrid work policy has been a huge productivity success. He's another out-of-touch CEO who needs to rely on micromanagement and in-office "metrics" to feel like he's in control.
Also constantly tells everyone Bitcoin is a scam whilst his bank buys as much of it as they can get their grubby hands on. The guy is just as much of a crook as Elon.
It's such a dumb thing to say, it makes no sense. At best you could make the point that he is a modern day Henry Ford or maybe Adolf Rosenberger.
I’m starting to really regret getting involved in this at all. But I have to stand my corner when I’m being misrepresented. I never once implied the politics of either of them was “just libertarianism”. Going all the way back to the first post I used that word. Track back through the conversation and you’ll see. Anyhoo. I’ll leave it at that.
In fairness you're a man of admirable resilience. So many others would be having a breakdown faced with the pushback you've received in this thread.
Do you not wonder how so many people have seemingly misunderstood you and reacted with such heartfelt replies?
Pogue is a great poster but a difficult personality.
God no. There’s no wondering. I know exactly why. And that’s ok. It would be nice if they didn’t misrepresent what I said but I’m not going to lose sleep about it either. There are worse things in the world.