Herr Musk | Fascist

moses said:
In historical terms, revolt is the exception despite the oppression being pretty much continuous to various degrees.
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Oh definitely, but I do think it's changed over the last decade or two. I went on countless protests when I was around university age for around a decade. Is that still happening now to the same extent?

There's an argument abut how well they worked , and 95% definitely didn't but there seems to be less large public protests now.
 
JPRouve said:
No, in practice they are extremely fragile, we all are. If the mass want rid of them they will, think 1789 or Luigi Mangione.
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It requires certain conditions and the economy is the primary condition. If it gets really bad, and suggestions are that it will in coming years, then you will see revolts.
 
JPRouve said:
I was going to say maybe but something crossed my mind. Basically my observation is a lack of public figures that speak sense for the mass, they speak for minorities but not the majority. Currently most if not all political groups seem to focus on single core points that exclude others, the goal seem to be to divide and rule not unite and prosper. And that's largely done through social media and online where audiences can be targeted. And competing minorities won't move the needle.

Though I don't know if it's an accurate observation or if I'm imagining it.
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I noticed yesterday that a Trump executive order won something like 14-13 and voting was to party lines. I agree with what you're saying, the whole ethos of politics is to divide everybody into two factions and those factions separate each other as far as possible and can't agree on anything.
 
neverdie said:
It requires certain conditions and the economy is the primary condition. If it gets really bad, and suggestions are that it will in coming years, then you will see revolts.
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That's why I'm wondering how close we are from reaching the point of no return. I think that politicians and oligarchs are playing a dangerous game but I could be wrong.
 
JPRouve said:
That's why I'm wondering how close we are from reaching the point of no return. I think that politicians and oligarchs are playing a dangerous game but I could be wrong.
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We've been at this point a few times.

There are various ways out. A good ol' war abroad is a really good fix if the populace are angry with their government.
 
Balljy said:
Oh definitely, but I do think it's changed over the last decade or two. I went on countless protests when I was around university age for around a decade. Is that still happening now to the same extent?

There's an argument abut how well they worked , and 95% definitely didn't but there seems to be less large public protests now.
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The BLM matter protests towards the end of covid were pretty big, no? They were also fairly global. There’s been a lot of activism around Gaza too. My local university had to cut off all Israeli linked funding because of student protests.

I guess the issue now, in terms of protest, is what the protestors are asking for? Getting Israel out of Gaza is a tangible goal but what’s the messaging around a protest against Musk, Trump et al?
 
Pogue Mahone said:
I guess the issue now, in terms of protest, is what the protestors are asking for? Getting Israel out of Gaza is a tangible goal but what’s the messaging around a protest against Musk, Trump et al?
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Tangible in the sense it's easy to comprehend but I've been involved in protest on that particular issue since the late 80's and the graph has steadily only gotten worse.
 
moses said:
Tangible in the sense it's easy to comprehend but I've been involved in protest on that particular issue since the late 80's and the graph has steadily only gotten worse.
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Yeah the overall goal is tangible but seems further away than ever. But there are at least specific sub-goals that are concrete and attainable. The TCD students successfully blocking Israeli research grants being an obvious example. I don’t even know what a sub-goal looks like if people want to take to the streets to protest against Musk’s agenda.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Yeah the overall goal is tangible but seems further away than ever. But there are at least specific sub-goals that are concrete and attainable. The TCD students successfully blocking Israeli research grants being an obvious example. I don’t even know what a sub-goal looks like if people want to take to the streets to protest against Musk’s agenda.
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Yeah, the worry is that sometimes the plight is ignored and the need to placate evaporates through arrogance or the like and there can be no increments or sub-goals. Then an all or nothing scenario is created and that's terrifying.
 
Sly said:
Elon Musk is not a Nazi cmon. Of course he was just sending his heart, look at his facial expression full of love while he does the gesture.

He only retweets the finest people



Oh who's this? Peter Sweden?

Ups

https://www.thejc.com/news/outrage-...nier-about-demographics-on-primetime-twnp48si

Nah, not a Nazi, not a Nazi at all.
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:lol: What are Elon cnut’s “family values” exactly? Trying hard to get adopted by the orange clown? Or pretending one kid is dead and naming another like a robot?
 
amolbhatia50k said:
:lol: What are Elon cnut’s “family values” exactly? Trying hard to get adopted by the orange clown? Or pretending one kid is dead and naming another like a robot?
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Curious to see what Musk Red Cafe defenders say of this.
 
langster said:
People saying they don't believe Musk is that stupid ...

Ffs. He's a complete and utter fecking moron. He's also incredibly arrogant and narcissistic with an ego the size of Trump's. He's also the richest person on earth so he feels entitled and untouchable and he honestly thinks most people like or agree with him because of his Twitter following.

The salute is nothing compared to some of the shit he's posted or said on Twitter. I don't get why people are surprised. The forums Centrist dad has had a shocker trying to defend it today and now it's being excused or explained because of his autism. Why can't people just accept the man is a fecking evil cnut and one that isn't anywhere near as smart as many think or portray him to be.
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I think this false dichotomy that people like to push is unhelpful. He's definitely not the genius that his fans claim but he's also definitely not a "complete and utter fecking moron" either. It's like with Trump, people say he's either brilliant or an idiot, well he's not either one.

Musk doing the Nazi salute twice is not something he did because he's stupid, he did it very intentionally with some plausible deniability for a very specific intentional purpose - to test the boundary and see what people are comfortable with and also, again, move the Overton window further to the right. I feel like liberals/the left have consistently underestimated Trump the last 8 years and all too often dismissed him as a moron, an imbecile, etc and that underestimating your enemy has come back to bite them. Same with Musk. He's not a moron at all (and that doesn't make him a genius either as there are miles of space in between). He is though, I agree, an evil person with much far right tendencies than I think anyone suspected a few years ago.
Oh and this Nazi salute also has nothing to do with his autism either if anyone here actually thinks that is the reason for his actions. It has zero to do with Musk's "autism"
 
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I've seen the video and it looks clear as day,.but I can't wrap my head around how brazen it is, is there any other possible explanation?
 
moses said:
No. As I said much earlier in the thread. This has been coming.
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I haven't read the whole to be honest and I'm only noticing he done it twice.

But what do you mean by it's been coming, I thought he was pretty pro israel?
 
arnie_ni said:
I haven't read the whole to be honest and I'm only noticing he done it twice.

But what do you mean by it's been coming, I thought he was pretty pro israel?
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Plenty of fascists are pro Israel. Especially when they define 'Western culture' as Judeo- Christian. Plus a Jewish state means the Jews don't have to all be in Europe, for example.
 
For those defending Musk, why hasn’t he put out a statement saying how he’s appalled by how it looks and that it’s been mis-interpreted?

We all know why.
 
arnie_ni said:
I've seen the video and it looks clear as day,.but I can't wrap my head around how brazen it is, is there any other possible explanation?
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If someone shows you who they really are, believe them.
 
arnie_ni said:
I've seen the video and it looks clear as day,.but I can't wrap my head around how brazen it is, is there any other possible explanation?
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He's ludicrously powerful, playing to a home crowd and, as we can see, largely impervious. See also: everything he's done and said for years.
 
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