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anyone bought/read Harry Greggs autobiography yet?
got it at dinner time and am working my way through it now. very good so far. comes across as a very determined man, always wanted to play football and very proud to have been at United.

in one section he talks about how he got on with his old Doncaster manager and i think this sums him up:
"Peter insisted that all Doncaster first team lads play 35 holes of golf on a Thursday afternoon and i point blank refused. I told the boss that i didnt come to England to be a golfer and instead i went off to practice my goal kicks"

from what ive read so far he reminds me of a certain Mr Roy Keane.
 
no-one? ive read about half of it so far and its an excellent read. Its clear from reading it how passionately he feels about Munich & the after effects of it. recommended.
 
Did'nt he keep playing with a busted kneck one time?
 
havent read that yet. Think you may be thinking of Bert Trautman from city who played in the cup final with a broken neck.

Harry G did play after Munich for a few weeks with a fractured skull though. he didnt know about it (shows you how good medical care was back then!) Says that his headaches kept getting worse to the point where he took to tying his tie tightly around his head like a tournequae (spelling?) so that he could get some sleep. Apparently there was a couple of occasions where he had to use the wall of the tunnel to stop himself collapsing as he got ready to run out for a match..
 
Originally posted by redmad:
<strong>Did'nt he keep playing with a busted kneck one time?</strong><hr></blockquote>

No, that was Bert Trautman for City v Birmingham in the 1956 Cup Final.
 
Originally posted by golden_blunder:
<strong>no-one? ive read about half of it so far and its an excellent read. Its clear from reading it how passionately he feels about Munich & the after effects of it. recommended.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Interesting. I've got his first book "Wild About Football" - written in the early 60's. Always a big hero particularly after Munich. Voted the best keeper in the world at the end of the '58 World Cup if memory serves.
 
Originally posted by Julian Denny:
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Interesting. I've got his first book "Wild About Football" - written in the early 60's. Always a big hero particularly after Munich. Voted the best keeper in the world at the end of the '58 World Cup if memory serves.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I seriously recommend this one. very funny in places. Heres a wee bit from it:

'Ten days after the FA cup final we went on a tour to Italy which included matches against Juventus and a Roma select. The team was gathered in a hotel bar in Livorno. The cup final lads were downing pints and singing songs - Nobby Stiles, Shay Brennan and myself were drowning our sorrows after missing out on a place in the squad at Wembley. I wasnt much of a drinker in those days but i took a wee sherry to be sociable. Johhny Giles, who was just a kid, joked: "Dont worry about not being in the first team. you may be reserves, but your time will come." He repeated the taunt to Shay and Nobby before i warned him not to push his luck. John's timing wasnt the best, i mean id just missed out on a cup winners medal. Still he kept mouthing and in mock anger I grabbed the sides of the chair. Gilesy thought i was serious and when one of the arms of the chair came away in my hand, he turned to Shay and said "Lets get the F--- out of here!"

Eventually on the way to my room I heard Shay and Johhny laughing. I decided it was time for some payback. I repeatedly pushed at the wooden panel on their door; its creaking was accompanied by my muffled threats to get the two of them. Not happy with their frantic calls for me to piss off, i decided to give the door handle a kick. I'd obviously had a few glasses of Sherry too many, though, and I missed the handle and my foot went straight through the door. I was jammed in the door as Johhny and Shay shouted about ringing for help and tried to make a barrier with the wardrobe. Things went from bad to worse. In an effort to free my leg, the entire door pulled free, along with the door frame and part of the wall. I quickly left the scene of the crime and returned to the room i was sharing with Nobby Stiles. I composed myself for a couple of minutes and then casually walked out of the room and peered around the corner. Jimmy Nicholson, the young NI international, was staggering down the corridor a little worse for the wear. He stopped and just stared at the door, so i nonchalantly walked around the corner and said "Jimmy, did you do that?" The poor lad didnt know what was happening, so i grabbed him by the arm, took him to his room, and put him to bed.
I returned to my room, stripped down to my underpants and climbed under the covers.Before too long I heard voices coming from the corridor. I sneaked out for a look and there was Matt Busby, Jimmy Murphy, Jack Crompton, the hotel manager and the house detective, all marching towards Johnny and Shay's room. I ran back into my room, dived into bed. Nobby was flapping, asking what was going on, and i told him to mind his own business and say im asleep. There was a knock at the door. It was Matt. Nobby feigned drowsiness when he answered and was told to open the door. I was shaking like a leaf. The lights went on and Matt pulled back my covers. "Whats going on?" I asked with mock surprise. "Dont give me whats going on! There are bits of door and wall lying all over the place out there. Theres only one man capable of doing that." Matt then threatened that we'd all be heading to Manchester first thing in the morning if the culprit didnt own up. The following morning the door and wall had been patched up. Nothing more was said about the matter, but Gilesy said he knew it was me. He'd recognised the laughter'

<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />
 
finished the book yesterday..some very interesting revalations in it!
Bet you didnt know how Harry was entwined in buy-out bids by Maxwell (he was duped in this one), then Knighton, then one of the directors at the time (Gregg then changed his mind because he didnt trust the guy)
he also tried to raise the 10million quid himself to buy United but couldnt.
He also recommended both Grobbelaar and Ronnie Whelan to United before Liverpool bought them.
I also didnt know that Bobby Charlton and Matt Busby fell out and didnt speak for years.
Ditto Busby and Jimmy Murphy.
Greggs dislike For Martin Edwards also comes across, even says that he clipped Martin around the ear when Edwards was just a 16 year old running about the place making a nusciance of himself.
 
Originally posted by golden_blunder:
<strong>finished the book yesterday..some very interesting revalations in it!
Bet you didnt know how Harry was entwined in buy-out bids by Maxwell (he was duped in this one), then Knighton, then one of the directors at the time (Gregg then changed his mind because he didnt trust the guy)
he also tried to raise the 10million quid himself to buy United but couldnt.
He also recommended both Grobbelaar and Ronnie Whelan to United before Liverpool bought them.
I also didnt know that Bobby Charlton and Matt Busby fell out and didnt speak for years.
Ditto Busby and Jimmy Murphy.
Greggs dislike For Martin Edwards also comes across, even says that he clipped Martin around the ear when Edwards was just a 16 year old running about the place making a nusciance of himself.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Great character ! What were the reasons for the Busby fall outs with Charlton & Murphy ?
 
Sounds like a good read whats the title so i can ask the aunt for it for xmas she follows Newcastle so it pisses her off having to buy it. She has bought me all fergies books chocies book yaps book schmics book and keanos so far so shes not to bad for a bar code is she <img src="graemlins/devil.gif" border="0" alt="[Devil]" />
 
Originally posted by Thebug:
<strong>Sounds like a good read whats the title so i can ask the aunt for it for xmas she follows Newcastle so it pisses her off having to buy it. She has bought me all fergies books chocies book yaps book schmics book and keanos so far so shes not to bad for a bar code is she <img src="graemlins/devil.gif" border="0" alt="[Devil]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>

The title is "Harrys Game"
 
Originally posted by Julian Denny:
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Great character ! What were the reasons for the Busby fall outs with Charlton & Murphy ?</strong><hr></blockquote>

with Charlton it was Munich (not doing enough for the survivors) and with Murphy it was the shabby way the club treated him. Both felt Matt Busby could have done more than he did. Reading some of the stories in the book (pre-Ferguson) i would have to say that the club (or more the powers that be) at times acted like a right shower of bastards. Thankfully Ferguson seemingly turned that around too.
 
Originally posted by golden_blunder:
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with Charlton it was Munich (not doing enough for the survivors) and with Murphy it was the shabby way the club treated him. Both felt Matt Busby could have done more than he did. Reading some of the stories in the book (pre-Ferguson) i would have to say that the club (or more the powers that be) at times acted like a right shower of bastards. Thankfully Ferguson seemingly turned that around too.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I would have thought the gripe should have been with Louis Edwards and his colleagues rather than Busby. The latter was obviously a big influence but he didn't control the money. United have always had a reputation for being mean and maybe, dare I say it, Busby was part of that culture. As you say, perhaps things have changed under the current regime.