Gylfi Sigurdsson - transfer speculation

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This has become a rather hot topic today and safe to say it divides opinion. Like everyone, I would agree that the market has become insane but I don't necessarily agree that Swansea holding out for, what 50m? is that insane given the crazy context of today's market. They will lose around 100m if they drop out of the Prem and he is a player who has made a difference both for his club side and for his national side (I think Iceland play with two midfielders who have to work their arse off against more talented sides). He grafts for his team, is excellent at set pieces and quite classy on the ball. If he were French or Portuguese I reckon there'd be less bewilderment around the price. Iceland is not known for classy players (or frankly any of the Nordic countries).

Everton have cash to burn and they lack a playmaker. Some jobs-for-the-boys commentators jokingly ask whether Sigurdsson or Rooney would take the set pieces for Everton, but Sigurdsson is comprehensively better at free kicks and corners than Rooney (when was the last time we had a decent corner taker for United?). I think he'd do really well for them.

I expect Everton to reach some sort of an agreement with Swansea near the 50m they want for him and for Swansea to be in a serious relegation battle from the get go.
 
Bastian said:
Everton have cash to burn
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Not so sure about that
Pickford kane and klassen were about 25m each I think so that's the lukaku money gone plus probably a hefty chunk in extra wages overall
Plus Rooney wages...
Plus Sandro and onyekuro is at least another 10 million
I'd guess they really need Barkley to move on if they buy gilfi
 
I'd say it was a reasonable fee by this summer's standards, if it wasn't for the fact he'd already got his move to a big club, been pretty meh and gone back home with his tail between his legs. That's got to detract from his price, no?
 
Sir A1ex said:
I'd say it was a reasonable fee by this summer's standards, if it wasn't for the fact he'd already got his move to a big club, been pretty meh and gone back home with his tail between his legs. That's got to detract from his price, no?
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Swansea aren't going to care about that, he's a huge asset to the club and they'll be wanting big money considering it'll take more than one player to replace him. If Everton don't like that then they can always pursue other options.
 
Apart from one average season at Spurs, he's been class every other season.

One of the best players in the league.

Rooney will be praying this does not happen.
 
Hojoon said:
Swansea aren't going to care about that, he's a huge asset to the club and they'll be wanting big money considering it'll take more than one player to replace him. If Everton don't like that then they can always pursue other options.
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True, but if we're discussing what they might realistically expect somebody to pay. Mind you, the way things are now, Everton will probably end up stumping up the 50!
 
Can understand Swansea wanting huge money for him because of his importance for them but you have to question the scouting network of a club that pays 50mil odd for Sigurdsson. That said, I get this feeling about most moves in the PL so I guess it's a case of being risk averse due to the high stakes and cash rich situation.
 
Everton should be exciting next season. He's too good for Swansea and Everton is about his level. The money being paid is insane, though but that's the PL these days.
 
WhoDaGOAT said:
Apart from one average season at Spurs, he's been class every other season.

One of the best players in the league.

Rooney will be praying this does not happen.
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And he was used poorly at Spurs. Not really his fault
 
Its a lot of money but not a signing to be laughed at. I think he would get into our team comfortably at the moment.

That said, Swansea have to be one of the favourites to go down if they sell.
 
sun_tzu said:
Not so sure about that
Pickford kane and klassen were about 25m each I think so that's the lukaku money gone plus probably a hefty chunk in extra wages overall
Plus Rooney wages...
Plus Sandro and onyekuro is at least another 10 million
I'd guess they really need Barkley to move on if they buy gilfi
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Are you forgetting they got bought out and have a billionaire owner?

They're around break-even/in slight profit at the moment anyway:

In
Michael Keane - £25m rising to £30m
Jordan Pickford - £25m rising to £30m
Davy Klaassen - £23.6m
Henry Onyekuru - £6.8m
Sandro Ramirez - £5.2m
Josh Bowler - £1.5m rising to £4m
Wayne Rooney - Free (Wages probably being supplemented by United still)

Total - £87.1m (initial fees).

Out
Romelu Lukaku - £75m rising to £90m
Gerard Deulofeu - £10.6m
Tom Cleverley - £8m (Obligation to buy loan from January)
Aiden McGeady - £0.25m

Total - £93.85m (initial fees)

*All fees rough estimates based on reports I could find.

Barkley still might go of course, but I wouldn't say they are under any obligation to sell players in order to buy. Depends how many of course, but they can probably afford Sigurdsson without getting rid of anybody else.
 
They've still got McCarthy and Niasse to sell too who will probably bring in another £20m at least so they can definitely afford Sigurdsson without selling Barkley. That being said, I'm not sure it's the wisest investment of nearly £50m with the team already lacking pace and Sigurdsson being 28 in September. I rate him highly but putting him in a team with the likes of Rooney and Klaassen won't do him any favours.
 
Siggy goals and assists total last season = 22

Mkhitaryan / Lingard / Martial combined = 18

I'd take him
 
Sparky Rhiwabon said:
Siggy goals and assists total last season = 22

Mkhitaryan / Lingard / Martial combined = 18

I'd take him
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Sigurdson was incredible last season, but that's a weak comparison. Firstly, I assume that's only league stats? Secondly, Sigurdson played in a team where everything went through him from an attacking perspective (fairly sure a few of those goals and assists are from set pieces), while the 3 United players mentioned were in and out of the team and played several different positions. Also, as weird as this sounds, it's arguably harder for players to score and assist at United then it is at Swansea as opposition teams are more often than not parking the bus against us. Not Lingard, but I reckon both Miki and Martial would have had at least the same number of goals and assists combined, had they played for Swansea last season.
 
Big fish. Small pond.

One of the most overhyped players discussed on the Caf in recent memory. He's good, but some of the rhetoric in similar threads is nothing short of bizarre.

The apparent fee, however, is fair. Swansea will probably go down without him, and £50 million no longer allows teams to buy lots of players to compensate for such a big loss. Manchester City have just spent £130 million on full backs. This is the new market and Swansea will do what is right by them.
 
Kag said:
Big fish. Small pond.

One of the most overhyped players discussed on the Caf in recent memory. He's good, but some of the rhetoric in similar threads is nothing short of bizarre.
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Agree completely. I like him and he's a decent player but feck me, talk about overrated. People throw his stats around without any context whatsoever. To be honest, it's the Icelandic contingent on here that overrate him and get overly defensive about him. I suppose it's just nationality bias really, and I've probably been guilty of the same in the past. This article sums up my thoughts on him.

I actually said this in April in another Sigurdsson thread and was lambasted by the Icelandic lads for suggesting that he wasn't top level material; turns out, the top teams obviously agree and it is indeed Everton where he'll end up:

And what about the likes of Bony, Benteke etc? Sure, some players from lesser clubs make the step up to bigger clubs but plenty fail too. I've always been a fan of Sigurdsson since his Reading days but he's getting very overrated in here. I actually think Everton would be a good fit for him.

Erm, using Rooney as a yardstick isn't really saying much.
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Still though, transfer fee aside, he'll be a good signing.
 
Robbie Boy said:
Everton should be exciting next season. He's too good for Swansea and Everton is about his level. The money being paid is insane, though but that's the PL these days.
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I doubt it. From open play I struggle to see how they are going to score or create enough to push on. Another season of finishing 7th and not really doing much.

Gylfi is mostly a set piece specialist. From open play his stats are average I believe.
 
Nighteyes said:
I doubt it. From open play I struggle to see how they are going to score or create enough to push on. Another season of finishing 7th and not really doing much.

Gylfi is mostly a set piece specialist. From open play his stats are average I believe.
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Oh don't get me wrong, I don't expect them to finish top 4 or anything. I reckon they could be a good side to watch though, mainly against the lesser sides.

I also agree, he's a decent player but Everton is his level. Very overrated on here by some. His stats are massively bulked up by his set pieces alright.
 
Quite a few people underrating him on this thread - he is a very good player and would improve most sides in the Premiership.
 
Robbie Boy said:
Oh don't get me wrong, I don't expect them to finish top 4 or anything. I reckon they could be a good side to watch though, mainly against the lesser sides.

I also agree, he's a decent player but Everton is his level. Very overrated on here by some. His stats are massively bulked up by his set pieces alright.
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Think it's a unnecessary signing if I'm honest. From open play Barkley is a better player albeit I don't think he's that good either. And even if Barkleys leaving you'd expect better for 50m. Gylfi is very underwhelming for me.

IMO if they're going to be spending silly money and overpaying they're better off doing it for someone like Zaha who'd provide some much needed pace to their attack as well as excellent dribbling ability.
 
Nighteyes said:
Think it's a unnecessary signing if I'm honest. From open play Barkley is a better player albeit I don't think he's that good either. And even if Barkleys leaving you'd expect better for 50m. Gylfi is very underwhelming for me.

IMO if they're going to be spending silly money and overpaying they're better off doing it for someone like Zaha who'd provide some much needed pace to their attack as well as excellent dribbling ability.
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Zaha is half the player Gylfi is.
 
balaks said:
Zaha is half the player Gylfi is.
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Not sure that's true, but the point about pace is perfectly valid. Sandro and lookman are the only ones with pace in the attacking positions - both of which are unproven.
 
balaks said:
Zaha is half the player Gylfi is.
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Not really true. Absurd exaggeration in fact. Zaha's stats were just as good from open play I'd imagine if not better.

In any case, Zaha is the more the kind of player they need. If they sign Giroud as well they're going to be a terribly slow team.
 
Sir A1ex said:
I'd say it was a reasonable fee by this summer's standards, if it wasn't for the fact he'd already got his move to a big club, been pretty meh and gone back home with his tail between his legs. That's got to detract from his price, no?
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Since when did he ever move to a big club?
 
Nighteyes said:
Think it's a unnecessary signing if I'm honest. From open play Barkley is a better player albeit I don't think he's that good either. And even if Barkleys leaving you'd expect better for 50m. Gylfi is very underwhelming for me.

IMO if they're going to be spending silly money and overpaying they're better off doing it for someone like Zaha who'd provide some much needed pace to their attack as well as excellent dribbling ability.
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Well they signed Bolaise last season and he was supposed to be that injection of pace that they needed but unfortunately for him, he picked up a bad injury. I do agree that another pacey winger would have been a good fit as they have several players such as Barkley, Klassen, Rooney and Sandro that can play the No. 10 role (if that's' where they plan on playing Sigurdsson). If they plan on playing him on the left or centre mid, then that's a different matter. Overall, yeah it looks a mental signing for the price, all things considered.

If you want to see how overrated he is on here, then take a gander at this beauty of a thread.
 
Robbie Boy said:
Well they signed Bolaise last season and he was supposed to be that injection of pace that they needed but unfortunately for him, he picked up a bad injury. I do agree that another pacey winger would have been a good fit as they have several players such as Barkley, Klassen, Rooney and Sandro that can play the No. 10 role (if that's' where they plan on playing Sigurdsson). If they plan on playing him on the left or centre mid, then that's a different matter. Overall, yeah it looks a mental signing for the price, all things considered.

If you want to see how overrated he is on here, then take a gander at this beauty of a thread.
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Damn. Some people really overrate him here.

Totally forgot about Bolasie. And if you buy Gylfi you gotta play him as a #10. He's not very good on the left as Spurs found out.
 
He's been involved in first team training, and even though I think it's unlikely at this point, I could see him staying if Everton don't meet the valuation. From what I gather he's a decent bloke and not one to throw his toys out the pram, unlike the likes of VVD.

If Everton do meet the valuation, I just hope the club reinvests the money into the squad. Years of under-investment needs to be stopped. Chances are the board will just pocket the money and we'll go down.
 
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