Guardiola vs. Mourinho

Sky1981

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There is no doubt that the two of them are 2 of the best manager in the world today, who do you think deserves the no.1 spot though?

Both have similar records, both of them have done the most prestigious achievement in world football, the treble. One is pragmatic at its best and one is an idealist. Now that Guardiola have started to crack under the pressure with his recent spat out with Bayern's doctor, I believe it's not one sided as it was back then when people uses Mourinho's antics as a stick to beat him with.

I'm as excited as seeing the battle it across time, we have Ronaldo vs. Messi and in 20 years from now I believe we'll be looking at another classic battle of supremacy between Guardiola and Mourinho.

Without belittling Simeone, Klopp and the old guards Ancelotti, LVG, etc. Guardiola and Mourinho on their current trajectory will have a ridiculous number of League title and cup wins when they both call it a day, and unless Simeone, Klopp moves to a top team, I don't see how they can replicate the trophies won. Guardiola and Mourinho will both becomes a legend in managerial folklore,

Pep Guardiola
Barcelona B
Barcelona
Bayern Munich

Jose Mourinho
Porto (2002–2004)
Chelsea (2004–2007, 2013–)
Internazionale (2008–2010)
Real Madrid (2010–2013)
 
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Mourinho has proven himself more obviously. Right now he is better even though he isnt the entertainer people ask for. Mou just gets results and right now he is better.
 
Mourinho for me.

And I know it's been repeated billions of times already but we made a huge huge mistake not giving him the Old Trafford hot seat in 2013 when it was set up on a plate, and now we are paying the price.

Back to topic, I think Guardiola plays much better football but I also think he is a bit too much of a perfectionist, whilst Mourinho puts winning before everything else like Fergie did.
 
Mourinho is the more proven of the two. He simply has more exposure and experience. Winning league titles at 4 different leagues with 4 different clubs and a few CL along the way as well.

Guardiola only has won titles at 2 different leagues with 2 different clubs. Given enough time, Guardiola might just catch up, but that remains to be seen.

At this point, on the basis of current achievements, Mourinho wins it easily between the two of them.
 
Just like Messi/Ronaldo breaking new records in goals scored, Pep and Jose are running away with League titles, previous managerial legends have at best 5-6 league titles, while Pep and Jose have 5 and 8 Respectively and they're not even 50.
 
Sky1981 said:
Both have similar records, both of them have done the most prestigious achievement in world football, the treble.
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Only Guardiola won the most prestigious achievement, the sextuple.

I'd say Mourinho has an overall smarter approach. Guardiola only has one idea with very obvious weaknesses and difficult to implement, and stubbornly dies with it, sometimes in really stupid and suicidal fashion. On the other hand, while Mourinho may not be the most imaginative or entertaining manager, he has a more traditional and flexible approach, and his defensive and conservative style limits risks greatly, though sometimes results in stupid disaster too, like this years cl elimination.

They both seem to be quite neurotic and perfectionist, though it manifests in different ways. Guardiola is more retentive, interiorises shit until one day explodes, while Mourinho has no problem to deflect any blame, throw somebody else under the bus and fling shit to whoever is on sight. They are both quite shitty.

Mourinho seems to tune better with the hardcore, win or lose (or poke a rival manager), while Guardiola is more distant.

In head to head encounters I think Guardiola has won more, though not sure.
 
louvega said:
Guardiola only has one idea with very obvious weaknesses and difficult to implement, and stubbornly dies with it, sometimes in really stupid and suicidal fashion. On the other hand, while Mourinho may not be the most imaginative or entertaining manager, he has a more traditional and flexible approach, and his defensive and conservative style limits risks greatly, though sometimes results in stupid disaster too, like this years cl elimination.
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Explain this part please.
 
My vote goes to Mourinho.

Guardiola was the coach of the best Barca squad ever and is the coach now of the best Bayern Munich squad ever.

Mourinho's work with FC Porto and Inter Milan was fantastic. His time at Real Madrid was average. I would say his work at Chelsea is very good.
Many league titles with all clubs, many national cup titles with all clubs and of course unexpected european trophies with FC Porto & Inter Milan. But he should really win the Champions League with Chelsea within the next 2-3 seasons.
 
I would say Mourinho, although his approach of football could be very boring to watch... He got a very entertaining charisma though
 
I think Mourinho is better ATM. He's more proven and seems more versatile, even though he's extremely dislikable. Pep leads their head-to-head record though doesn't he?
 
ZDwyr said:
I think Mourinho is better ATM. He's more proven and seems more versatile, even though he's extremely dislikable. Pep leads their head-to-head record though doesn't he?
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Yeah, Pep leads the head to head between the two of them and gave Mourinho his biggest ever thrashing.
 
I was in Riazor in 2004 watching the Champions League semifinals against Deportivo. In that game, without being anything special, I was impressed, as a group of relatively unknown players completely blocked Deportivo, a team that had beaten the best in Europe. Years later, when he moved to Madrid I was very excited, I thought that was the nemesis of this great Barcelona, but in a few months I was disappointed, mainly because of the style of play. The most expensive team in history had become in a group of thugs that only knew to run and did not know what to do when the other team gave them the ball. Maybe for another fan it is correct, but my eyes bled seeing play Madrid at the Bernabeu in this way. I do not think he made any significant tactical solution at the time and certainly never surpassed Klopp, Heinckes or Guardiola. Mourinho increases competitiveness, creates great defensive systems and is very pragmatic, perhaps too much for me, is no friend of creative midfielders. I think He´s the perfect coach for mid-level teams that have great historical urgency of titles, Arsenal, Liverpool or Atletico Madrid before Simeone (which is another Mourinho). He wants soldiers, the total control of dressing room and when someone is against him he is humiliated, He promotes an aggressive style and is a hypocrite who attacks other professionals and players, however talking about titles and career, what I think the thread means, I will choose Mourinho, I think his career has been more extensive (he has been more time training too), besides, Porto and Inter victories have much merit, but for my team I´ll always choose Guardiola, with the same players can bring a much more attractive football
 
Football wise, Guardiola by a mile. But just best all around, despite is absolutely horrible eye stabbing football, Mourinho.
 
I think Mourinho is better manager but if I would have to put up with someone like him I would rather choose Simeone.
 
Pep's Bayern without their two best offensive players gets beaten at Barcelona after giving a good account of themselves for 70 minutes of the game = utter shambles.

Mourinho's Chelsea defendes with 10 men at Parc des Princes then gets outplayed by PSG side playing with 10 men after their best player got sent off for nothing and is knocked out = nah, nothing happened.

There's a huge difference with how people approach them. It's almost like everyone want to believe that Pep is a scam job, that he'd only been successful so far in his career because he inherited a team that was going to win everything anyway at Barcelona when the season before he took over they struggled to 3rd place.
 
Both are brilliant managers and despite their short careers (especially Pep), I would put them in top 20, if not top 10 of best managers of all time. I think that Mourinho has done more so far, but it is very close.
 
Sarni said:
Pep's Bayern without their two best offensive players gets beaten at Barcelona after giving a good account of themselves for 70 minutes of the game = utter shambles.

Mourinho's Chelsea defendes with 10 men at Parc des Princes then gets outplayed by PSG side playing with 10 men after their best player got sent off for nothing and is knocked out = nah, nothing happened.

There's a huge difference with how people approach them. It's almost like everyone want to believe that Pep is a scam job, that he'd only been successful so far in his career because he inherited a team that was going to win everything anyway at Barcelona when the season before he took over they struggled to 3rd place.
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That is not true at all, there was a big reaction to that. There are agendas against both of them, not just Guardiola and both have a lot of people that are obsessed with them also (fanboys or whatever).
 
Raul Madrid said:
That is not true at all, there was a big reaction to that. There are agendas against both of them, not just Guardiola and both have a lot of people that are obsessed with them also (fanboys or whatever).
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Yep but currently it's like everyone forgot that and it's only Guardiola who shamed himself in Europe this season.
 
SqueakyWeasel said:
No contest
Mourinho proved himself with Porto
Until Pep does something like that …
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They're both shit. Tony Pulis has never been relegated from Premier League and he's managed Stoke, Crystal Palace and now West Brom - three huge underdogs.
 
Aldo said:
Pep outclassed Jose multiple times during their time in Spain, which pretty much settles it.
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All those were in his first season there when Mourinho wasn't still settled, and obviously Pep had the better team.

Anyway, head to head aren't the best way of judging these things. Otherwise many managers (Pep, Mourinho, Ancelotti, Hitzfield, Del Bosque) of our era would be better than SAF.
 
But the majority of Pep's reputation was based on his successful tenure at Barca, while many seems to compare them with Mourinho's most barren year at Real Madrid.

It seems that Pep's best is pitted against Mou's worst.

Personally if push comes to the shoves the alien invade us and the fate of the mankind is to be decided by a football match, I'd bet on Mourinho anyday and twice on judgment day
 
NoLogo said:
For me it's Guardiola but I wouldn't be too surprised if Mou would win a poll vote on here in a landslide.
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Yep and probably most polls in England, but would he win the same poll in Spain or Germany where he just isn't seen as anything too special? Nope.
 
They are both in the same league but totally different managers.
However if the output/trophies is the same (which it is in their case) then why the hell should I choose an input/playing style which could make me hating our games?
Therefore give me Guardiola anytime.
 
Sky1981 said:
Personally if push comes to the shoves the alien invade us and the fate of the mankind is to be decided by a football match, I'd bet on Mourinho anyday and twice on judgment day
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Unless the aliens have Pep on their team then you're fecked. :wenger:

Head to head
Pep - 8 wins
Mourinho - 3 wins
5 draws.
 
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