GREAT ARTICLE FROM A TRUE FAN

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I tried to put off writing this article after Saturday's game at Maine Road. I felt so low, I just didn't have the inclination to sit down at my computer until now. I’ve cheered up slightly since the 3-1 defeat and the 30-minute wait after it - United fans were kept inside Maine Road to avoid trouble outside the ground - but truly getting over this result could take some time.

Had I written this immediately after the final whistle I’d have probably said the following...

Manchester United are not the team they were.
Our squad is simply not strong enough.
Too many of our players are living on past glories and no longer have the hunger to achieve success.
We’ve spent too much money on too few players.
We lack that something special that the United teams of the past decade had in abundance.
We are no longer good enough to win matches in second gear.
Evidently third, fourth or fifth gears cease to exist.
In summary, we appear to be a team with a mountain of problems.

On reflection a few hours after the match, I realise that some of my initial thoughts were more fuelled by adrenaline and bitter disappointment than common sense. I stick by many of my observations but I now accept that there are explanations for some of them.

The biggest explanation, for me, is the absence of our captain Roy Keane. Manchester United without Keane are a poorer side, a much poorer side. Any team in Europe would miss losing a footballer of his talent and drive. He’s not only our inspiration and captain but also the heartbeat of the team. Take out the heart and the rest of the body fails to function. We are missing him so badly. Add to that the fact that Beckham and Butt were also on the sidelines and you’ve part of the reason why the Blues were the ones singing "We’re the pride of Manchester" at the final whistle on Saturday.

However, that only tells part of the story. City were the better team, snapping into every tackle, being first to every loose ball and simply wanting the win more. Therefore, they deserved their moment. Sadly I can’t say the same thing about their supporters. Peter Schmeichel might think they are ‘fantastic’ and Keegan might call them their twelfth man, but these fans are the same ones who constantly refer to us as ‘Munich’ and celebrate the plane crash that all but wiped out the Busby Babes. I saw men, women and children doing aeroplane impressions and mouthing the words ‘Munich’ throughout the game. Great fans, eh Peter? Great fans.

So what inspired me to write this piece? I'll tell you what... it was hearing Sir Alex Ferguson say that he felt sorry for the fans and felt like inviting some into the dressing room to give the players a few home truths. How I’d have enjoyed being one of those invited.

I love Manchester United and will support them regardless of whether they are winning silverware or not. What upsets and worries me though is that the biggest problem with this team appears to be desire – something our manager has based his success on down the years.

Fans can handle the team underperforming. They can handle them playing well and losing. But what they can’t take is lack of effort. And that’s what I’d have accused the players of if I'd been allowed into the dressing room. Yes, we lost because of three defensive errors but truthfully the game was lost all over the pitch.

So what’s gone wrong? Why is the hunger no longer there? How have we managed to turn from a team that two seasons ago "won the Football League again, this time in second gear" into one that looks disinterested and lacking in urgency? Finding the answer to that question should be Sir Alex’s immediate priority.

This may well smack of spoilt brat syndrome, you might say it's because I can’t handle the fact we’re not winning anymore. Well no I can’t, not when the game in question is the Manchester Derby. OK, we may not have lost one since 1989 but it means everything to us fans. And right now me and many others are disappointed and angry. It reassures me that Sir Alex is angry too and I look forward to seeing how the players respond.
 
I agree with a lot of what you say. One thing occured to me was that despite having no English men in the starting line up they appeared to have more derby spirit than we did. Hardly any of there team have experience Manc derby football before but they seemed to raise themselves to the occassion infinitely better than we did.

I can take the team losing if the effort was there. Every team has day when it just doesn't happen not matter how hard they have tried, but lack of effort is unacceptable.

I would love to see the stats of how many 50/50 balls we won, not fecking many i would guess.

It was a good performance from city, but not a great one. It was a terrible permance from us
 
good on you for voicing your view, a lot of things you wrote about i agree with
 
Well said sunny, thats probably the most honest piece i have ever read in my three years on this site. I too am more angry than i have ever been as a United supporter, simply because as you said, i can handle defeat, but for the first time ever, my beloved United gave up and refused to fightback. What happened on saturday will take me a long time to recover from.
 
mmm, sunny, im jjust after coming from manutd.com, and that article is there, written by face in the crowd, is that you or did ya nick it?
 
Agree with most of what u said. But now i worry about Ferguson the man himself. I think he really has lost touch with reality. The money has been made available, and 80 mil pounds spent on just 3 players. No wonder we do not have a squad to compete the Arsenal or Pool. It took not one, but a whole series of errors by Ferguson to lead us to where we are toady. Selling Stam, buying Veron, playing the ridiculous 4-5-1, not having 4 strikers. Tactically, Ferguson has lost it, and the main reason why we can't score much this season is his misguided belief that Giggs and Scholes can play upfront.
 
Good article and reflects a lot of my sentiments.
I hate the way ppl are blambing Fergie for what happened.
As usual we had too many world class players looking very ordinary and their the ones that have to take the responsibility.
 
Originally posted by Murt:
<strong>Good article and reflects a lot of my sentiments.
I hate the way ppl are blambing Fergie for what happened.
As usual we had too many world class players looking very ordinary and their the ones that have to take the responsibility.</strong><hr></blockquote>

When are you going to realise that it's the manager who takes the ultimate responsibility ? The buck stops with him. Of course he can't help it if someone gets injured or who suddenly has a bad game which affects the course of a match. If there is a problem with the way the team's playing, whether it be formation or general motivation its up to him to fix it. If the players aren't the right ones for the system or they lack spirit or they are too inconsistent or they concerend about getting injured or whatever its the manager who must sort it out and get rid of those who can't perform. That's the stark reality and the bottom line. So don't blame the players, you'll get nowhere with that argument.
 
same thing here... but it's not the end of the world and I still beleive that Man Utd will kick arse... the players really needed this slap... NOW THEY KNOW WHAT LOOSING MEANS... ;)
 
Originally posted by Julian Denny:
<strong>So don't blame the players, you'll get nowhere with that argument.</strong><hr></blockquote>

:rolleyes:

The players are letting Fergie down. If your going to blamb fergie for the City performance you can blamb him for the 7 titles, Champions leagues, cups and general rescuing of this club while your at it.
 
Originally posted by Murt:
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:rolleyes:

The players are letting Fergie down. If your going to blamb fergie for the City performance you can blamb him for the 7 titles, Champions leagues, cups and general rescuing of this club while your at it.</strong><hr></blockquote>

That's completely devoid of any logic. But let's see what happens now. Fergie says he gave the team a rollicking. He's intimated he's not going to put up with that kind of performance although I presume he's somewhat hamstrung through injuries and the transfer window to open again, before he can boot one or two out. My only other view is that there have been a few other inept performances recently. Did Fergie do the same after those games and if so why hasn't the team responded ? I tell you it's down to him, whether we like it or not.
 
Originally posted by Julian Denny:
<strong>That's completely devoid of any logic. But let's see what happens now. Fergie says he gave the team a rollicking. He's intimated he's not going to put up with that kind of performance although I presume he's somewhat hamstrung through injuries and the transfer window to open again, before he can boot one or two out. My only other view is that there have been a few other inept performances recently. Did Fergie do the same after those games and if so why hasn't the team responded ? I tell you it's down to him, whether we like it or not.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Theirs only so much he or anyone can do, once they go out onto the pitch its up to them.
Was it Fergies fault that Phil Neville fecked up a back pass and Gary fuched up aswell?
They are the two incidents that cost us the game, were they Fergies fault, what could he have done differently?
 
Originally posted by Murt:
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Theirs only so much he or anyone can do, once they go out onto the pitch its up to them.</strong><hr></blockquote>

They seem to be going out onto the pitch with the same attitude every game these days Murt.
 
Originally posted by Murt:
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Theirs only so much he or anyone can do, once they go out onto the pitch its up to them.
Was it Fergies fault that Phil Neville fecked up a back pass and Gary fuched up aswell?
They are the two incidents that cost us the game, were they Fergies fault, what could he have done differently?</strong><hr></blockquote>

It's another subject but do you honestly think Phil is an adequate midfield replacement? Gary's was his first howler this season although he's had his share of them in the past leading to some calling for his replacement in that position. Besides if we'd played anything like the level we're capable of we should be able to pull two goals back and more. We've done it before. We seem to give up, someting we haven't done for ten years or more. The fact is the system or lack thereof depending which we you look at it, in which Ruud plays by himself upfront, with Giggs, Ole and Scholes all in withdrawn roles, we immediately hand the initiative to the opposition. Against a team like City we should have had a full go from the start.
 
My personal 'glimmer of hope' is that this will be THE wake up call. We've been getting away underperforming all season.

Now we've had the ultimate smack in the face, maybe players will take a good hard look at themselves.

When I got my Leverkusen ticket I thought it might be a nothing game. Not any more eh <img src="graemlins/keano.gif" border="0" alt="[Keano]" />
 
Its the managers job to motivate his players, and Alex used to be the best at this. Team Spirit was a large part of our success, I wonder now if we have any left. If this was another team and not our own, everyone of you would be laughing at them and blaming the manager as well as the players. It looks to me like he's lost the dressing room.
 
A lot of truth in what you have to say Sunny. I can put up with most things from United. I can put up with the schoolboy defending, I can even put up with losing to City. In recent years I've only been really angry about a game twice. Once was Liverpool away last year - we didn't compete. It happened again on Saturday. It was easily the worst performance of the season - much worse than any of the others Julian imo. For the first 30 mins of the second half we managed to make Goater and Danny Twatto look world class, we were second to everything and that's just not on. I was pleased to see Alex was as angry as I was and I would have welcomed the opportunity to go into the dressing room and let the players know what I feel.

I'll support this club for ever, whichever competition or division or park field we're playing on but I'm entitled to expect better than that half hour in the Manchester derby.

Having said that, I wouldn't like to be Bayer Leverkusen on Wednesday or West Ham next weekend. These players have got something to prove. Lets hope they prove it.
 
Originally posted by kf:
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I'll support this club for ever, whichever competition or division or park field we're playing on but I'm entitled to expect better than that half hour in the Manchester derby.

Having said that, I wouldn't like to be Bayer Leverkusen on Wednesday or West Ham next weekend. These players have got something to prove. Lets hope they prove it.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Let's face, and setting aside the bigger picture for the moment, if the players still respect Fergie and I'm sure they do, they will do their best to put improve effort and commitment. Having said that, if the issues are more fundamental, which I think they are, any recovery in performance levels may only be temporary.
 
Originally posted by Neil Thomson:
<strong>Its the managers job to motivate his players, and Alex used to be the best at this. Team Spirit was a large part of our success, I wonder now if we have any left. If this was another team and not our own, everyone of you would be laughing at them and blaming the manager as well as the players. It looks to me like he's lost the dressing room.</strong><hr></blockquote>
From the Mirror:
SIR ALEX FERGUSON was unequivocal in his assessment that his Manchester United players had under-achieved and let their fans down with this humiliating defeat to their fiercest rivals.

Yet the United boss forget to include himself in the "rollicking" he delivered in the Maine Road dressing room after this abject surrender which was as alarming as it was embarrassing.

When City's third goal went in, Ferguson admitted it was the "killer blow" from which there was no recovery. Yet the most worrying aspect for Ferguson, his players and their supporters was that their manager had no idea how to salvage the game with almost 40 minutes left.

Perhaps the time has come for Ferguson to consider his own position or have a radical overhaul of his squad, because drastic action needs to be taken if United are to re-assert themselves as the country's dominant football force.

The season is only a third of the way through and United have lost three games. They have only won six of their 13 Premiership encounters and 17 goals represents their worst domestic start for a decade.

And, remember, those three defeats have come before United have faced Liverpool or Arsenal, both of whom they failed to beat last season and who look like turning the battle for the title into their own private duel.

All the same failings that contributed to United's worst Premiership finish last season were evident in this dismal display, which condemned them to their first derby defeat for 13 years.

Of course, United were without inspirational leader Roy Keane, combative Nicky Butt and the creative flair of David Beckham.

But, with all their resources, United should have the personnel to cope with such high-profile absentees and the stark truth is they don't.

That is the manager's fault. Ferguson rarely makes mistakes in the transfer market, but he has failed to add enough quality or cover to his squad and watched as Arsenal and Liverpool have assembled far superior squads.

That Ferguson failed to buy an additional defender and striker before the August 31 transfer deadline is unforgivable, a fact the United boss now has acknowledged, given his admission he will be forced to spend once the window opens again in January.

In the absence of Keane, this was the stage for a player of the stature of Juan Sebastian Veron to emerge as United's driving midfield force.

Instead, the £28m man was anonymous, hauled off after an hour with the equally ineffective Gary Neville. Credit must go to City for their relentless determination, flair in midfield and clinical finishing, particularly from Shaun Goater.

This was a rejuvenated City side who, after three wins on the trot, have proved that boss Kevin Keegan's claim of a top-six finish may not be as outlandish as first thought.

But attention must focus on the demise of United and what has caused a club of such stature to fall so spectacularly from its position of supreme dominance.

Remember, it was only five seasons ago that City were languishing in the Second Division, while United were collecting their fourth Premiership title.

There were too many culprits to blame for this debacle, perhaps with the exception of Paul Scholes, who was constantly trying to probe the City defence and create openings, but to no avail.

Phil Neville, who was supposed to break up play in the centre of midfield, also fell well short of the standards expected of a United player.

His sloppy pass to Rio Ferdinand paved the way for City's first goal and it was only his brother's generosity in committing the error that will haunt him forever that spared him the ultimate humiliation.

Ferguson blamed individual errors last season, and on the eve of the new campaign promised they would be eradicated. Gary Neville's howler, which gifted Goater City's second goal, proved the folly of that bold statement.

What is apparent in the aftermath of this defeat is Ferguson's infamous "hairdryer" treatment no longer has the desired effect. The half-time or full-time rages that used to inspire players to new levels are ineffective now and Ferguson is unable to lift his players as he used to.

Ferguson has established himself as the most successful British manager during his glittering 16-year reign at Old Trafford, where he has amassed more trophies than any other boss.

But his decision to postpone his retirement and stay on for an extra three years at the helm may well prove to have been a fatal mistake.

United look incapable of reclaiming their domestic crown and vindicating Ferguson's faith in his players.

Last season, during United's rocky patch, Ferguson insisted his Old Trafford empire was built on solid foundations and in no danger of collapsing.

Given the shambolic display at Maine Road, Ferguson might want to reassess that statement. Before it's too late and he is left standing in the ruins.
 
Originally posted by Ninja:
<strong>mmm, sunny, im jjust after coming from manutd.com, and that article is there, written by face in the crowd, is that you or did ya nick it?</strong><hr></blockquote>

He called the topic "Great article from a true fan". I assume he is copying for us to read and not intending to take the credit. Or he is full of himself ;)
 
The Mirror article just about says it all. Now it's up to Fergie to prove them and some of us wrong. I'll be delighted if he can.