Good Books on Philosophy

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Can the folks in here please recommend a few?

Nothing completely philosophical but a fictional/semi-autobiographical work which goes with the flow of things. I liked Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance which I read only recently. Something along the first half of it before the metaphysics of quality discussion takes center stage would be ideal.

Thanks in advance
 
Most things by Albert Camus are good if you're just starting out with philosophy.
 
I rate John Stuart Mill. But have generally found Philosophy quite dull, only know a bit due to a course at Uni.
 
Spinoza, Kant, Descartes, Hegel ...

I wouldn't put those four together as a recommendation, personally! ;)

Descartes (Discourse on the Method, Meditations) and Spinoza (Ethics) are relatively accessible.

Hegel is a bit more difficult (though I've mostly only read his theories on the philosophy of history).

Kant can be nigh-on impenetrable.
 
One of my degrees was in philosophy, and without being too glib, I'd say not to bother. For me, there were few satisfying reads that deal directly with philosophy, with most of them being a real grind. Maybe Nietzsche, desperate and deluded passionate fellow that he was, is a good read (Thus Spoke Zarathustra), but probably not so worried about clear thinking. Plato can be fun as well (eg. "Trial of Socrates, and "The Cave" excerpt) except when he's banging on about boy love (Symposium).

In particular I found the original works of most of the big hitters to be pretty dreadful (Kant!) and I rarely actually made it through one. If you are truly hell bent on tackling one, I would suggest one of the later critiques or compendiums to start. Durant's "Story of Philosophy" is sort of a standard survey level look at the various schools/studies, and is pretty readable for what it is. Barrett's "Irrational Man" is a pretty good treatment of existentialism. If reading these feels like cheating, just remember it's the ideas that are exciting, not the belaboured dated writing.

I would however enthusiastically point you at the bags of superb "philisophical fiction" that's out there. For instance, as much as I hated trying to read the treatises of Sartre - "Being and Nothingness" (an unreadable pile of merd), Anti-Semite/Jew, The Words" etc., some of my favorite literature was his fiction - Nausea, The Age of Reason trilogy, and his plays. Ditto with Camus (The Myth of Sisyphus vs. The Plague/Stranger/Fall) for some more good existential lit. Toss in the best writer of all, Dostoyevsky to that mix as well.

There's a wealth of quality contemporary "sci-philosphy" books out there as well now that are worth a look. "The Origins of Virtue", "Godel, Escher & Bach", "The Frontiers of Complexity" etc. Good reads the lot of them.
 
Agree with brad. Last days of Socrates was a great book but that's the only one I was able to enjoy.

Philosophical fiction on the other hand has some great stuff, Nausea, Crime and Punishment, heart of darkness, ulysses (haven't read that one though).
 
NOTES FROM THE UNDERGROUND - Fyodor Dostoevsky
THE OUTSIDER / THE FALL / THE PLAGUE / THE MYTH OF SISYPHUS - Albert Camus
THE BELL JAR - Sylvia Plath
 
In particular I found the original works of most of the big hitters to be pretty dreadful (Kant!) and I rarely actually made it through one.

Same here. Studied "The Critique of Pure Reason" one semester. I wanted a challenge and I bloody got one. Still the most difficult (non-scientific) book I've ever read. Or tried to read.
 
Conciousness Explained by Daniel Dennett is good for a populist but thought provoking read. Also, check out his latest book 'Breaking the Spell' on (anti)religion if that's your thing.
 
NOTES FROM THE UNDERGROUND - Fyodor Dostoevsky
THE OUTSIDER / THE FALL / THE PLAGUE / THE MYTH OF SISYPHUS - Albert Camus
THE BELL JAR - Sylvia Plath

Excellent books those. On a similar note, I'd add these:

STEPPENWOLF - Herman Hesse
HUNGER - Knut Hamsun
THE MAGIC MOUNTAIN - Thomas Mann
 
Same here. Studied "The Critique of Pure Reason" one semester. I wanted a challenge and I bloody got one. Still the most difficult (non-scientific) book I've ever read. Or tried to read.

Good to hear I'm not the only one. "Prolegomena to a Future Metaphysic" did me in. Dog eared it + spilled coffee and leave 'casually' laying around to try and impress any bird strange enough to care.

Nothing yet. Worthless Kant.
 
NOTES FROM THE UNDERGROUND - Fyodor Dostoevsky
THE OUTSIDER / THE FALL / THE PLAGUE / THE MYTH OF SISYPHUS - Albert Camus
THE BELL JAR - Sylvia Plath

Nice list, though I never read "The Bell Jar". I blame "Notes from the Underground Man" for this dreadul, bitter slide towards death I used to call my life. Great read in truth.

Conciousness Explained by Daniel Dennett is good for a populist but thought provoking read. Also, check out his latest book 'Breaking the Spell' on (anti)religion if that's your thing.

I just bought that! + Darwin's Dangerous Idea. You're the 2nd cnut on the caf to recommend that one.
 
I wonder how many Philosophy graduates we have on this forum?

There seems to be a few. Good to see we're not all wasting our time...
 
Interesting topic Frosty, though I suspect your comments and opinions are likely to be of more interest to me than the other way around. I've just started reading Ted Honderich's 'How Free Are You', when I finish that I'll probably start on 'Homo Sacer'.
 
I warn you now that it is dense, very dense! How much Foucault and Heidegger have you read? Reading Foucault is a good starting point for Agamben IMO.
 
'Being and time' was a good book, challenging though. 'Madness and civilisation', now that was hard going, not sure I ever finished reading it. 'Archaeology of knowledge' was better, maybe because I was older when reading it.

I will have to mentally prepare to take on 'homo sacer' if its like that lot; have to really be in the mood for them.
 
'Being and time' was a good book, challenging though. 'Madness and civilisation', now that was hard going, not sure I ever finished reading it. 'Archaeology of knowledge' was better, maybe because I was older when reading it.

I will have to mentally prepare to take on 'homo sacer' if its like that lot; have to really be in the mood for them.

Have you read 'Discipline and Punish' or Foucault's work on biopower? Basically Agamben links Foucault's work on Power/Knowledge and Biopower to Arendt's work on totalitarianism (the Origins of Totalitarianism and The Human Condition).

His hypothesis is simple:

Through the inception of a permanent state of exception based at the heart of Western civilisation for the past 2500 years governments can create homo sacer - bare life which can be set outside of all legal protections.
 
No I haven't yet read 'Discipline and Punish', although I have heard good things about it. Should I read this before 'Homo Sacer'?

Talking of 'Discipline and Punish', I have wondered what such philosophers would have made of the communication age of the internet and how that has affected the disciplinary control that can be exercised over people. I think it may have weakened the whole system of control.
 
No I haven't yet read 'Discipline and Punish', although I have heard good things about it. Should I read this before 'Homo Sacer'?

Talking of 'Discipline and Punish', I have wondered what such philosophers would have made of the communication age of the internet and how that has affected the disciplinary control that can be exercised over people. I think it may have weakened the whole system of control.

It may be an idea to read it before you head on to Agamben, it would give a good basis to approach him.

As for Foucault's analysis of power, the power exercised over people is a microphysics of power, so whilst the internet may have weakened the system of 'top down' control that States exercise over individuals the powerplays that individuals have amongst each other may well have been strengthened.
 
I enjoyed Siddartha by Hermanne Hesse.
 
Thanks for all the suggestions people, I'll take a look at as many as I can.

Friedrich Nietzsche

Spinoza, Kant, Descartes, Hegel ...

Any specific works by them focusing on theism?

You could try "The God Delusion" by Richard Dawkins. Haven't read it myself though.

Same here. Studied "The Critique of Pure Reason" one semester. I wanted a challenge and I bloody got one. Still the most difficult (non-scientific) book I've ever read. Or tried to read.

I wonder how many Philosophy graduates we have on this forum?

There seems to be a few. Good to see we're not all wasting our time...

The God Delusion is not really what I'm looking for Steev, unfortunately. Haven't been able to get my hands on Critique of Pure Reason. Probably am looking at the wrong places.

And I'd love to take a course on philosophy some day.
 
Consolations of Philosophy by Alain de Bottain is a very good read if you're just starting out in the crrrrrrrazy world of philosophy.