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uranushk1

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Last night Buffon showed why he is being regarded as one of the best gk in the world. His extra-ordinary save against Inzaghi's header kept Juventus in the match, and he didn't take a foot wrong in the whole 120 minutes.

I think GK is the most important position in a defence. Every defender can make an error and still hope that the GK behind them can remedy it, but gk is the last person in front of the net, needless to say it's a position that cannot tolerate second best.

Barthez is a proven world class gk, and I'm pleased with his performance last season. I hope he can stay, if we cannot buy a better gk than him. We can't change gk just for the sake of change, and it will be a big error and a big step backwards to replace Barthez with players much worse than him (such as Carrol, James, Robinson, etc.)
 
In the past I have questioned Barthez’s dominance, Leadership and positioning. These comments caused a flood of controversy and yet now, many agree that something needs to be done.

Barthez has his faults but he’s a wonderful keeper capable of doing breathless saves. As stated things need to improve but I also think that Fab had been used as a sacrificial lamb to cover the faults of a good yet inexpert defense that is still a mile away from confronting great stars like Raul and Ronaldo.

My conclusion is this. I agree that Barthez should be sold but only if a world class keeper with all the characteristics needed is brought at OT. We cannot afford of falling into an other abyss which we experienced after Schmicke’s departure
 
Originally posted by shakiraa:
<strong>feck..have to say this guy Buffon is feckin good!!!</strong><hr></blockquote>

That save from Inzaghi's header must be one of the best save I've ever seen. Actually I thought the ball has hit the post before I watched the replay.
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I had a great view of that save. It was one of the few highlights of an otherwise wasted evening.

I did raise an eyebrow everytime they cheered him for collecting routine crosses. Is he prone to the odd clanger in that department? or are Italians just so shocked when a keeper doesnt punch everything??

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Isn't our main problem that we lack areal leader at the back, some who can really marshal the defence like Schmikes. An experianced centre back would do that an would also prob calm Barthez down. I think Fergie may get another keeper but he will keep Barthez.
 
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a flood of controversy? i think its quite obvious devilish.

its been clear from day one that Barthez isnt the ideal replacement for Schmikes, however we have been patient and given him chance...after chance. his time is up IMO, he has done ok in the role, he has added assurance in that he is so good with the ball at his feet.

Defenders dont need to worry about a pass back. But he has cost us the CL twice now and that is just not good enough for a world class goalie. To mess up in the biggest games is just a let down.

there will still be people who will back him cos they are loyal, but there are better players out there.
 
Originally posted by ShAoLiN_ChRoNiC:
<strong> <img src="graemlins/smirk.gif" border="0" alt="[Smirk]" />

a flood of controversy? i think its quite obvious devilish.

its been clear from day one that Barthez isnt the ideal replacement for Schmikes, however we have been patient and given him chance...after chance. his time is up IMO, he has done ok in the role, he has added assurance in that he is so good with the ball at his feet.

Defenders dont need to worry about a pass back. But he has cost us the CL twice now and that is just not good enough for a world class goalie. To mess up in the biggest games is just a let down.

there will still be people who will back him cos they are loyal, but there are better players out there.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Yes there are better players out there, but are we going to get them? If things are so easy we'd not have wasted so many money, time and effort on Bosnich, Taibi and Ricardo. I'm really worried by some of the rumours flying here, players such as Robinson and James. If we really going to sign them it's another disaster in making. No matter what, I hope we can keep Barthez even if a new keeper comes, so that we can switch back to him when things go wrong.

And I can't agree that Barthez cost us the CL. IMO, our whole defence is far below standard in the two matches against Real. But Barthez is made the scapegoat by some people.
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Originally posted by uranushk1:
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Yes there are better players out there, but are we going to get them? If things are so easy we'd not have wasted so many money, time and effort on Bosnich, Taibi and Ricardo. I'm really worried by some of the rumours flying here, players such as Robinson and James. If we really going to sign them it's another disaster in making. No matter what, I hope we can keep Barthez even if a new keeper comes, so that we can switch back to him when things go wrong.

And I can't agree that Barthez cost us the CL. IMO, our whole defence is far below standard in the two matches against Real. But Barthez is made the scapegoat by some people.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Am not saying that we have the best defence in the world but once again you are talking shite.Casillas took Real to the semis while Barthez was responsible for our defeat.Barthez has the ability but is incapable of delivering the goods in the big matches.
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Originally posted by vijay_vr:
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Am not saying that we have the best defence in the world but once again you are talking shite.Casillas took Real to the semis while Barthez was responsible for our defeat.Barthez has the ability but is incapable of delivering the goods in the big matches.</strong><hr></blockquote>

While I agree that Barthez has been inconsistent in past seasons, last year he was fecking amazing. We're judging him on *ONE* game (real, away) where the defense were equally to blame as he was. At OT against Real he played as well as the defenders did. None of the 3 goals were directly his fault. Ronaldo just 'turned up' for that game and when he turns up hes the best in the world. I hate to admit it, but he is.

I like Barthez but he has his faults. Its retarded to judge him on one game though, if you criticise, criticise him for last season.
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Originally posted by Dervish:
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While I agree that Barthez has been inconsistent in past seasons, last year he was fecking amazing. We're judging him on *ONE* game (real, away) where the defense were equally to blame as he was. At OT against Real he played as well as the defenders did. None of the 3 goals were directly his fault. Ronaldo just 'turned up' for that game and when he turns up hes the best in the world. I hate to admit it, but he is.

I like Barthez but he has his faults. Its retarded to judge him on one game though, if you criticise, criticise him for last season.</strong><hr></blockquote>


Well the overall standard of defending against Real was poor.But whatever may be the point,Barthez's inconsistency were highlighted by his poor display against Real .He is responsible for atleast three of Real's six goals... time is up for him to make way for a new GK. I've been supporting him throught the season but keepers should never be beaten at their near post. He got his angles hopelessly wrong for the first goal thereafter... i dont want to remember anything..but we've become used to Barthez's foolish errors in big matches haven't we?.It irritates me alot.Yes He has pulled of some fine saves in the premiership but he has also committed alot of mistakes...and reserves them for the biggest matches.
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I don't like Barthez. United can afford a better goalkeeper.

Actually, United can't afford an unsafe and unpredictable goalkeeper who can spoil in a second a whole season hard work. And I think that Barthez is this kind of keeper, although I must recognize that he may be brilliant.

A midfielder, or a forward, mistakes can be mended, but if a goalkeeper misses...
 
We have signed at least 5 different goalkeepers after the Dane left and Barthez is already the most successful one among them -- helped us won two EPL and was a member of the best defence in EPL last season. Of course Barthez has his weak points and there are other better GK in the world, so I never say that we must not sign a new gk. My point is just that we must choose carefully and even if we sign a new one, we should still keep Barthez if possible.
 
Unless United bring in Buffon, Kahn, Friedel, or Canizares, then selling Barthez would be the end of the CL dream for at least one season. Best scenario would be for Barthez to remain for one last shot at CL glory and for Tim Howard to serve an apprenticeship then take over in 2004-05. Barthez is good enough, i.e. top 5 in world, to win the CL Cup with United. Especially if United add a veteran CB to command the back four and a new striker to get that extra 2-3 scoring chances per match. Add a healthy Keane and Veron and Barthez can silence his critics.
 
Originally posted by MrMarcello:
<strong>Unless United bring in Buffon, Kahn, Friedel, or Canizares, then selling Barthez would be the end of the CL dream for at least one season. Best scenario would be for Barthez to remain for one last shot at CL glory and for Tim Howard to serve an apprenticeship then take over in 2004-05. Barthez is good enough, i.e. top 5 in world, to win the CL Cup with United. Especially if United add a veteran CB to command the back four and a new striker to get that extra 2-3 scoring chances per match. Add a healthy Keane and Veron and Barthez can silence his critics.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Agree. Dida has just won the CL with Milan and I never heard people said he is one of the best GK in the world. Besides, the World cup and Euro2000 medals are the best proof that Barthez can perform in the biggest matches in this world, and actually win thing on the highest level. Therefore I just think that it's not very fair to say that it's barthez who lost us the CL and barthez is not good enough to play in big CL matches.
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yup..i agree with you..
barthez have to stay for 1 more season for the howard guy to settle in(if SAF really want to sign him)..

of course barthez can leave if we manage to get buffon, toldo, friedel, canizares, and whoever i miss out..
 
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