Giggs

Davo

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Seen him take a fair bit of stick on here of late..

I've only seen you play twice this season to date...against the Hungarians when you lost....Giggs was poor, and against Leeds when he had a decent 20 min spell and then disappeared..

He's scored a couple of goals so far, which is good for him, but whats the verdict? How long has this lack of form now been?

I saw a season preview a few weeks back, from the mid 90's and Giggs looked fantastic...really fast and his finishing looked class..
 
a season preview from the 90's..do you have a time machine? surely you mean review...

as for giggs, inconsistency is the word for the last 3 seasons. IN the 92 season (i think) he scored 17 goals which is a great return for a winger. thats what he should be capable off.
injuries havent helped either though.
As for now he doesnt have any competition for his spot in the team which doesnt help, whereas back then he had Lee Sharpe pushing for the same place.
 
I think the thing that frustrates the most about Giggsy is not his crossing but his short passing. Time and time again he works his way into good positions around the box and then passes straight to a defender. And it's not as if he trying 20-30 yard passes, I'm talking 5-10 yard balls, passes which someone of his ability should be completing 9 times out of 10 rather than 2 or 3 times out of 10. is it because he's not looking up when he passes, is he not reading his team mates properly or is he just being careless? Whatever, he needs to sort this out because we're losing possesion too easily in the opposition's half these days.
 
I think he is still a great player - one of the best. But I think he should remember what got him where his is today - taking on players. He is our only player with the ability to do it really, and offers something great when he steams down the left.

Giggsy' other problem is that he drifts in field much more now. This means we have less width and compresses our play.

However, his inter-linking play has improved, and has his passing and awareness of those around him.
 
i remembered how he talked about having to mature as a player as he grows older. He wanted to improve his game apparently without solely depending on his feared pace. IMO, that is true as one can only run so fast when he's still young.

However, it is disappointing when he fails to show the sort of consistency one expects from a deemed world class player. His crossing is not exactly fantastic, and sometimes he does give away the balls.

The team used to strive on the fear he struck into opposing defenders. Maybe it isnt true anymore. :(
 
he doesnt have anyone to push him for his place. His best seasons have been when Lee Sharpe has been fighting with him for that place, and in the treble year he had Blomquist pushing him hard for that role as well.

Bring back jesper!
 
How old is he? He could be one who really suffers with age due to the toll of injuries and a loss of pace..
 
Originally posted by golden_blunder:
<strong>Bring back jesper!</strong><hr></blockquote>

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Poborsky and Cruyff while you're at it ;)

Giggs has dissapointed me for a while. He shows the odd sign of brilliance, but not as consistant as he was.
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Originally posted by blythy:
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Poborsky and Cruyff while you're at it ;)

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i wouldnt say no to cruyff coming back. He was instrumental in that spanish team reaching the final last year. never let United down at the time. was unlucky to be at United when there was so much competition and he was injured.
If he was there now i reckon he'd play at least 1 out of every 2 games. Would be perfect for 4-4-1-1
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He hasn't been doing it so far this season. And it's really frustrating as we only need to look back to Chelsea away, Leeds away and both Depor games in March/April to see what he's capable of.

But it isn't Giggs alone who isn't performing. But for defence none of our players have been anywhere near their potential so far this season. Giggs will suffer from Becks' bad form and Becks will suffer from Giggsy's bad form. And when both are in bad form we're in trouble.
 
Originally posted by Davo:
<strong>How old is he? He could be one who really suffers with age due to the toll of injuries and a loss of pace..</strong><hr></blockquote>

He's only 28/29 Davo, he's got plenty in the bag yet, although he could be going the same way as Figo who had a very poor last season.

Figo's 30 in a month or two I think and looks like he is loosing it as a winger. Age seems to catch up with them much sooner than other midfield players.
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Originally posted by WeasteDevil:
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He's only 28/29 Davo, he's got plenty in the bag yet, although he could be going the same way as Figo who had a very poor last season.

Figo's 30 in a month or two I think and looks like he is loosing it as a winger. Age seems to catch up with them much sooner than other midfield players.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I remember when Barnes lost his pace...he had to reinvent himself as a ball playing CM. He did well, but was nothing on the pacy winger he once was
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Giggs is going to have to do the same I feel, as a forward link player maybe. Otherwise he'll struggle. I think you're right on this Davo, when he does make the transition, the result will be similar to the Barnes experience - good enough but not the same quality.
 
I can't see Giggs as a CM mind...Barnes passing was a real strength and he was powerful, hard to shrug off the ball...
 
He'll have to turn into a Sheringham type player IMO if he wants to extend his career into the mid 30s.
 
Giggs is already a UTD legend and rightly so. However, he always seems to talk a better game than he delivers these days. Last season "Arsenal will get nowt from us at OT. If they think they're going to rub our noses in it by winning the title here they can forget it." He's also said pre-season that he expects heads to roll if UTD don't perform this season.

The time may be coming when selling Giggs and buying Duff may become a very attractive option. Duff appears to have more appetite for success than Giggs who really hasn't anything to prove.

It'd be a sad day, but Fergie may need to shake things up.
 
Originally posted by Davo:
<strong>I can't see Giggs as a CM mind...Barnes passing was a real strength and he was powerful, hard to shrug off the ball...</strong><hr></blockquote>

I think you kept him for several seasons passed his best. I hope we dont do that with Giggs.

Giggs and Becks both need a link man to get into their best creative positions. There's a lot to be said for the old one two.
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Has anyone noticed how scary his eyes look lately.

I think he has been taken over.

(As opposed to over-taken)
 
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Can't say I had Liv. But I'll have to look next time now ;)
 
Originally posted by MancFanFromManc:
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I think you kept him for several seasons passed his best. I hope we dont do that with Giggs.

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We did, but he was good enough to play in our side,which wasn't great...
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Originally posted by blythy:
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Poborsky and Cruyff while you're at it ;)
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Blomqvist was better at his job (winger) than Giggs is in the same role.

Giggs needs a swift kick up the backside IMO.
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Originally posted by Livvie20:
<strong>Has anyone noticed how scary his eyes look lately.

I think he has been taken over.

(As opposed to over-taken)</strong><hr></blockquote>

Did you see that ad he did for MUTV?

Mr Personality had difficulty with the autocue methinks ;)
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Originally posted by RedorDead6899:
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Blomqvist was better at his job (left winger) than Giggs is in the same role.

Giggs needs a swift kick up the backside IMO.</strong><hr></blockquote>

we never saw jesper at his best.. he played his best stuff for Gotherburg.. before his injury..
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Originally posted by giggzy:
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we never saw jesper at his best.. he played his best stuff for Gotherburg.. before his injury..</strong><hr></blockquote>

Which furthers my point that Blomqvist was better at being a winger than Giggs is.

Because more often than not, when he received the ball on the wing, he did something productive with it. Unlike Giggs who either runs along like a tit in a trance until the opportunity for a cross is gone or delivers such a poor ball in to the box that anyone there would need to be flaming Superman to get anything out of it.
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Originally posted by RedorDead6899:
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Which furthers my point that Blomqvist was better at being a winger than Giggs is.</strong><hr></blockquote>

i don't think jesper was a better winger than Giggs at United.


he had the potential before the injury...but was never the same player again..


as for giggs, he's not been at his best this season.. however, he was excellent between nov and march last year.. along with, ruud and keane, he totally turned around our season.
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In a couple of years he'll be known as 'cyclops'.[/QB][/QUOTE]

You mean he is turning into MArtin Keown.Oh god help us all. <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />
 
Originally posted by cheeky munkee:
<strong>Giggsy's eyes are slowly moving together.

In a couple of years he'll be known as 'cyclops'.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Or even a 'Man Utd fan'.

:D :D ;) (Lots of smilies look! It was a joke).
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Originally posted by giggzy:
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i don't think jesper was a better winger than Giggs at United.

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Matter of opinion.

At the moment, I'd go for function in a winger rather than attempting fancy tricks/headline grabbing runs that bring nothing.

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as for giggs, he's not been at his best this season.. however, he was excellent between nov and march last year.. along with, ruud and keane, he totally turned around our season.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I've always thought that more of Gigg's tricks etc go wrong than go right - I've seen people rave about him after a game and really wondered why.

And if he's as good as certain people believe, he should be turning it on more often than a few months of a season. Overrated and has been for years IMO.
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Originally posted by giggzy:
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as for giggs, he's not been at his best this season.. however, he was excellent between nov and march last year.. along with, ruud and keane, he totally turned around our season.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Here is SAF on who is gonna captain the team in Keane's absence.


Choosing a captain
"I just felt that I was capitalising on the summer David had captaining England. I thought he would be back fresh. Where as with Ryan, he does have injury problems. David Beckham is always there. He rarely misses a game. At this moment in time, if Ryan had a hamstring injury and missed three or four weeks then you would be forced to change the captaincy again. I was looking for a more permanent base for the captaincy until Roy is back."


So I have to wonder if this is motivated by the fact that Giggs just has not been playing that well not so much by injury. I realize that he is prone to injury but you have to wonder.
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at his peak Giggs is awesome..he doesn;t have mediocre games, either he's brilliant or he's below average..


he's been hampered by hamstring problems.. When he comes back from injury, it takes him time to back in his stride and stretch his hamstrings..which is natural, coz he knows he can breakdown very easily.... thus is always wary not to over stretch.. altho' its frustrating from the fans point of view.
 
Originally posted by ManUtd.USA:
<strong>Here is SAF on who is gonna captain the team in Keane's absence.</strong><hr></blockquote>I think Giggsy's vice captaincy was borne more out of tenure than anything else; he's not that vocal, from what I've seen, and his position on the field isn't really condusive with being a leader.

Personally, and nowt against Bex, I'd give the job to Rio, he is perfect for it imo.
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Agree with you, giggzy.

But that just reinforces the point that Utd need a player like Duff. Giggs rarely gives his all these days because he's trying to lengthen his career. He seems to have lost a little of his pace and teams have sussed him out to a certain extent. He's never managed to develop a consistent cross or shot. Teams close him down by playing two against him, forcing him down "blind alleys" or into giving the ball away.
 
Originally posted by WeasteDevil:
<strong>He'll have to turn into a Sheringham type player IMO if he wants to extend his career into the mid 30s.</strong><hr></blockquote>

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Originally posted by darko:
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As he gets older he will inevitably loose pace, which will effect his role as a winger! :rolleyes:

Great game he had last night though. I thought that he was terrific. <img src="graemlins/devil.gif" border="0" alt="[Devil]" />
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Giggs played a stormer last night, fair fecks to ya Giggsie.

Your still my No 1. You put the S in Style and the V in Va Va Vump.
 
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