Geyse Ferreira | Leaving on loan to the US?

I think it's been a tough period for her. She came to us from Barcelona hoping to become a starter and that hasn't really happened. She's not had an easy time off the field either from what we've heard. Relationship troubles and now her brother's death will have made everything hard.

We don't have any other Brazilian, Portuguese or Spanish players currently and that won't have helped her to feel at home in Manchester either.

The rumours were circling last summer that she wanted to leave. We heard before Christmas that United were looking at possible transfers and loan deals. This latest set of complaints, initially given to the press by her agent, suggests that United carried on suggesting loans while she was back in Brazil with her family.

In an ideal world - that might even be United trying to be good employers and giving her agent the chance to maybe look for a club closer to her family/friends while she was getting her emotional strength back. Unfortunately we really don't know.

She seemed ok on Sunday, but when emotions are this raw, it's hard to know what another person is thinking or feeling. It does look like the team are still very protective of her though, which speaks well of them.
 
Geyse has written similar stuff in portugese before, not exactly this, but its happened before.

United were going all in for Kelly and Geyse was obviously going to make way for her. (The worrying thing is we could not just add Kelly without axing someone to save money)

Does United make the football club priority or Geyeses feelings? Thats the main question. I guess not everybody will agree on this.

But its definitely a field day of others clubs fans saying United are scum etc and that Mark Skinner is the devil etc, the usual stuff.
 
I think we don't have enough reliable information to know whether Geyse was really ill-treated at United -- by players, coaches, or administrators -- or whether she is a prima donna who just resents the lack of playing time she's had.

Putting all that aside and focusing strictly on the football side of things, my personal opinion is that she has turned out to be a bad signing who has not proven to be a benefit on the pitch. She seems to me a selfish player who likes to show off her fancy foot skills -- which she undeniably has -- but is not a good team player. She usually seems to me to be focused on driving toward the goal or the end line, no matter what is in front of her nor with any awareness of where her teammates are. More often then not she seems to lose a dribble amid a triple-team, or makes it to the corner only to send a hopeful cross into the box (whether anybody is there to receive it or not). Chloe Kelly would have been a much stronger addition to the team.
 
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An unhappy Geyse doesn’t offer us much, but our wing options (depth) wouldn’t be great if she leaves.
 
It has to be said it was a huge failure to lose out on Kelly, while still pissing Geise off and make the club once again a laughing stock in the media and in the womens football world. It could very well end up being the difference between that UCL spot in the end which would be a shame! The only thing we know is that Marc Skinner will be blamed for everything regardless if we cant finish in the top 3.
 
There is an article on The Athletic that shows the other side of this story. I'm not sure how to link it here, particularly as it is paywalled, but here's an excerpt -

“We will find a solution that will suit both parties and we’ll make sure during that time that Geyse is absolutely looked after and has all the care that she needs,” Skinner said. He also emphasised that the club has provided the player with wellbeing support.

“I stress that the club has offered a fantastic amount of support and will continue to do so. She’s at the centre of that from a wellbeing perspective.”

A source, who is familiar with the matter and wishes to remain anonymous to protect relations, told The Athletic: “Geyse has had the most support out of any player at the club. She has had a translator during her whole time at United. We’ve worked with psychologists and wellbeing teams and had wellbeing meetings. She’s had one-to-one support and a whole team around her. The players have been really supportive and have tried to include her.”

After United’s 3-2 win over Manchester City on January 20, the team held up her shirt to show their support.

The source added: “She has found it really difficult being in Manchester, being far away from her family, the weather. The language barrier is really difficult for her but support has been put in place for her to learn English.”

Skinner added: “What I can honestly say — and anyone who knows me as a coach or a person — I am open. I am open to conversation any time. If players feel like that, then all I can say is, there is always opportunity. The beauties of social media also has its downfalls because you can play out your emotions and thoughts and processes there as well. I have worked with a lot of players over my time, and I think the majority will have lots of good things to express.

“I won’t go into anything more than that, I don’t think I need to. I am not here to justify myself. I have really good relationships with my players. The door is always open and I will reiterate this on camera now — my door is always open if people want to have a conversation and it’s theirs to choose if they wish to use that or not.”
 
Sounds like shes struggling to learn the language. On the pitch she's frustrating to watch, but also admirable in certain ways. She can usually go past her opponent but doesnt seem to have the speed to ever get away from them after and usually cant find a good pass or shot afterwards - thats the frustrating side. But the admirable side is she wins the ball a lot. She averages 4.9 tackles per 90 mins only 3rd in the team behind Sandberg and Awujo but with them having less mins and playing in positions you would expect more ball winning. She's like Valencia was in terms of being a ball winner as well as a winger.

I hope she improves her decision making if she stays and if needed find another club where shes happy.
 
She never really settled here and not clear what her best position is - was supposed be the striker to replace Russo but now mostly playing wing

Probably best for all that she moves on at this point but can she leave now even though the window is closed?
 
Rood said:
She never really settled here and not clear what her best position is - was supposed be the striker to replace Russo but now mostly playing wing

Probably best for all that she moves on at this point but can she leave now even though the window is closed?
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US window is still open and rumours are Gotham FC are in the market for a loan deal.
 
AmarilloMike said:
There is an article on The Athletic that shows the other side of this story. I'm not sure how to link it here, particularly as it is paywalled, but here's an excerpt -

“We will find a solution that will suit both parties and we’ll make sure during that time that Geyse is absolutely looked after and has all the care that she needs,” Skinner said. He also emphasised that the club has provided the player with wellbeing support.

“I stress that the club has offered a fantastic amount of support and will continue to do so. She’s at the centre of that from a wellbeing perspective.”

A source, who is familiar with the matter and wishes to remain anonymous to protect relations, told The Athletic: “Geyse has had the most support out of any player at the club. She has had a translator during her whole time at United. We’ve worked with psychologists and wellbeing teams and had wellbeing meetings. She’s had one-to-one support and a whole team around her. The players have been really supportive and have tried to include her.”

After United’s 3-2 win over Manchester City on January 20, the team held up her shirt to show their support.

The source added: “She has found it really difficult being in Manchester, being far away from her family, the weather. The language barrier is really difficult for her but support has been put in place for her to learn English.”

Skinner added: “What I can honestly say — and anyone who knows me as a coach or a person — I am open. I am open to conversation any time. If players feel like that, then all I can say is, there is always opportunity. The beauties of social media also has its downfalls because you can play out your emotions and thoughts and processes there as well. I have worked with a lot of players over my time, and I think the majority will have lots of good things to express.

“I won’t go into anything more than that, I don’t think I need to. I am not here to justify myself. I have really good relationships with my players. The door is always open and I will reiterate this on camera now — my door is always open if people want to have a conversation and it’s theirs to choose if they wish to use that or not.”
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I've no problem believing that Geyse struggled to settle in Manchester. I think there were in issues in her personal life that would have made things tough for her and dealing with a new environment and a new language would have made those tougher.

I've loved watching her flair and I think her overall play and her worker as a winger is often underrated. And yeah, I found her form and her luck in front of goal as frustrating as she did.

That said, I'm not giving Skinner a free pass on this. I think he says things in front of camera that would knock the confidence and the morale of even the most robust attack-minded player.

So when I read:

Skinner added: “What I can honestly say — and anyone who knows me as a coach or a person — I am open. I am open to conversation any time. If players feel like that, then all I can say is, there is always opportunity. The beauties of social media also has its downfalls because you can play out your emotions and thoughts and processes there as well. I have worked with a lot of players over my time, and I think the majority will have lots of good things to express."

I don't buy it for one moment. If that's how he talks about them in a press conference why would they care if he's open to conversation? He's the last person I would want to talk to.

As to whether the "majority will have lots of good things to say" I don't know. I know the majority who leave talk fondly of the United fans and players and studiously avoid mentioning him even as they praise their new coach. Perhaps the ones who stay are the ones like Ella who can choose when to ignore him. I doubt it's the ones who need a confidence boost or some inspiration.
 
jojojo said:
I've no problem believing that Geyse struggled to settle in Manchester. I think there were in issues in her personal life that would have made things tough for her and dealing with a new environment and a new language would have made those tougher.

I've loved watching her flair and I think her overall play and her worker as a winger is often underrated. And yeah, I found her form and her luck in front of goal as frustrating as she did.

That said, I'm not giving Skinner a free pass on this. I think he says things in front of camera that would knock the confidence and the morale of even the most robust attack-minded player.

So when I read:

Skinner added: “What I can honestly say — and anyone who knows me as a coach or a person — I am open. I am open to conversation any time. If players feel like that, then all I can say is, there is always opportunity. The beauties of social media also has its downfalls because you can play out your emotions and thoughts and processes there as well. I have worked with a lot of players over my time, and I think the majority will have lots of good things to express."

I don't buy it for one moment. If that's how he talks about them in a press conference why would they care if he's open to conversation? He's the last person I would want to talk to.

As to whether the "majority will have lots of good things to say" I don't know. I know the majority who leave talk fondly of the United fans and players and studiously avoid mentioning him even as they praise their new coach. Perhaps the ones who stay are the ones like Ella who can choose when to ignore him. I doubt it's the ones who need a confidence boost or some inspiration.
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I'm no Skinner apologist by any stretch, but it's more the internal anonymous source I found interesting. It really does sound like the club did all the right things in trying to help her settle in Manchester and I wanted to highlight that, to remind ourselves that we are not always as pure evil as some reports would have people believe.
 
AmarilloMike said:
I'm no Skinner apologist by any stretch, but it's more the internal anonymous source I found interesting. It really does sound like the club did all the right things in trying to help her settle in Manchester and I wanted to highlight that, to remind ourselves that we are not always as pure evil as some reports would have people believe.
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I agree with you, I think the club tried to help her to feel like she belonged. It might not have been perfect, but I don't think we were indifferent or evil.

Even on the question of us looking at loan deals - that idea was already being discussed back in the summer. I always assumed that was at least partly because she was feeling like she needed a change. I don't know that of course.

Whether it was tactful that we asked again when she was in mourning - probably not - it would have felt like added pressure or even a demand. But maybe it was her agent who was asked if Geyse wanted a move - in which case it's exactly what an agent's job is about.

At any rate there are enough unknowns about Geyse and the club that I'm happy to give both her and the club the benefit of the doubt! I don't think anyone wanted Geyse to be unhappy or to feel like she couldn't succeed as a United player.
 
One reason I'm giving the benefit of doubt to the club is the recent interview with Malard in which she describes her experience at United in exactly the opposite terms as Geyse.
 
Lobster11 said:
One reason I'm giving the benefit of doubt to the club is the recent interview with Malard in which she describes her experience at United in exactly the opposite terms as Geyse.
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That's an interesting and valid point. Malard is, however, close to home. She also has no language difficulties, has a great relationship with Riviere where they teach each other French and English, and has not suffered bereavement. But I take your point - I do not see the Geyse situation as being the club's fault.
 
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