Geovany Quenda - Summer 2025

[golden_blunder]

Right back at ya champ.

Just friendly advice to ensure longevity

The mods are grumpy and trigger friendly around here

 

[OleGunnar20]

Having just read Ian Grahams book (brilliant read by the way, and I had no idea he was from one valley over from me. Basically cousins (probably cousins)), I'm sure I remember Graham talking about how they'd pushed for Mane at Red Bull only to be rebuffed by Rodgers, who wanted full control over signings ala the old British model. But I have a memory like a sieve, so hey ho.

I couldn't be arsed to scroll back far enough to find out why and how this relates to Quenda mind you. I know the square root of feck all about him, but we NEED an attacking RWB this summer, behind only Striker and Goalkeeper in importance for me.

That youngster Kamason looks lively. I wonder if he'd be an option, or is Quenda that special a talent? Anyone watched him enough to know?

 

[SparkedIntoLife]

I actually feel a very interesting debate here has been soured by some needless hostility. There is a very good discussion to be had around data and the 'eye test' and also around how data can be interpreted based on tactical systems/leagues/chemistry with other players.

Everything to my eye suggests that Quenda will be a phenomenal player. I'm incredibly excited by the possibility of us signing him. He doesn't seem like an Antony who might struggle with the physicality. He appears to be quite robust and fast. But a lot of the highlights I've seen of him are from youth football. And the data posted here is somewhat concerning, albeit he's incredibly young and has started his senior career very well.

 

[Rossa]

Having just read Ian Grahams book (brilliant read by the way, and I had no idea he was from one valley over from me. Basically cousins (probably cousins)), I'm sure I remember Graham talking about how they'd pushed for Mane at Red Bull only to be rebuffed by Rodgers, who wanted full control over signings ala the old British model. But I have a memory like a sieve, so hey ho.

I couldn't be arsed to scroll back far enough to find out why and how this relates to Quenda mind you. I know the square root of feck all about him, but we NEED an attacking RWB this summer, behind only Striker and Goalkeeper in importance for me.

That youngster Kamason looks lively. I wonder if he'd be an option, or is Quenda that special a talent? Anyone watched him enough to know?

This must be how the inner voice a person with adhd works.

 

[Adnan]

Tier Ian Graham verbatim saying he and the data team wanted Mane but Rodgers said no, Rodgers has never refuted this.

Why do you keep citing Barry hunter and Fallows as being some genius scouts for work at City? What the city team who signed Jo, Roque Santa Cruz, Robinho/Adebayor for 120m in two windows? Then paid another 70m for Dzeko and Balotelli the next? City were a complete joke until Txiki Begirstein came in who coincidently fired both of them and took over football operations. So yeah real coup for Liverpool.

United fans who have zero clue about data go through the same cycle over and over:

Step 1: Ask why can't we recruit like Liverpool/Brighton or Bournemouth.
Step 2: Find out what they do and agree it seems like a good idea to use data models.
Step 3: Find out the data views their scorching hot take as being borderline braindead.
Step 4: Forget data lets use the eye test.
Step 5: Sign Antony for 80m

12 months later back to step 1.

That's fine you've decided to double down on your opinion. And everything that contradicts that is false.

Barry Hunter was a regional scout at City who was in charge of a particular region when it came to identifying talent. And he wasn't fired by Txiki Begiristain, because Hunter and Fallows both departed before the arrival of Begiristain at City who himself made plenty of mistakes.

And according to the journo Paul Joyce who is very reliable for the goings on at Liverpool fc. It was Hunter and Fallows who were very influential in changing Klopp's mind on signing Mohammed Salah rather than Julian Brandt from the recruitment department. The source below with quotes is Paul Joyce but the link is from a aggragator site.

"The 64-year-old is credited with having played a key role in helping bring talismanic Egyptian forward Mo Salah to the club back in 2017 in a £34.3m deal. Virgil van Dijk and Alisson Becker, likewise, should be included as shining examples of the club’s recruitment policy."

“The scouting department was really behind me, and wanted to do it even earlier so that nobody could jump in!” Jurgen Klopp said back in 2020.

“We were sure he can help us. Michael Edwards, Dave Fallows and Barry [Hunter], they were really in my ear and were on it: ‘Come on, come on, Mo Salah, he’s the solution!’”

https://www.empireofthekop.com/2024/10/25/dave-fallows-agrees-liverpool-exit/

Respectfully your last salvo applies to yourself. And when you can't make sense of what you're seeing on the pitch, you then want to run to data to help you understand the game of football. So the 5 steps you've put forwarded can easily be refuted with logic and reason using footballing principles. But you don't want to discuss the football side of things and are completely wedded to the number crunching via data/statistics, which is a very tunnel visioned approach to developing a football team.

You brought Antony up and I can give you countless other examples where I've brought up players on this forum who were pretty unknown, and those players went onto big big clubs for big fees and some of those players went for measly low fees and became really valuable assets for their clubs. And I'm going to make mistakes because I'm mainly watching these players on TV, but my hit rate for someone who doesn't rely on data or analytics and relies solely on the eye test is pretty good. And the latest example is Vitinha who is currently at PSG.

 

[Brightonian]

Coming back to Quenda... I'm out of the loop, is there any substance to rumours we've already agree a transfer and a fee?

For me he's a Yoro-esque signing. Best-in-class teenager, already shining in senior football, loads of potential and obvious x-factor.

I'd have also put him in the category of 'mega-expensive teenagers we probably can't afford to take the risk with any more'. Especially in a position where, unlike strikers, there are decent affordable options floating around. Less high-profile youngsters; PL-proven end-of-career types, mid-career journeymen in mid-table teams elsewhere in Europe who are proven in the position. Etc etc.

He seems the most desirable option but is spending £50m on Quenda (looks good in Portugal but in a huge goal drought) that different from spending £64m plus add-ons on Hojlund (looked good in Italy but not yet had a strong goalscoring season)? It's worked beautifully with Yoro but like every big money transfer, it's a risk. And putting the pressure of a big fee on a teenager is, as we have seen, often a very bad idea.

Personally I'm as optimistic as it gets by this forum's standards (I still see an outcome where Hojlund comes good here, for example). So I'd be ecstatic if we sign Quenda, and very optimistic he turns out great. But for the sceptical majority, who have tagged Hojlund as a catastrophic signing, why is this any different other than optimism?

 

[Adnan]

So @Adnan @FlawlessVictory88 what do you make of this Quenda, fellas?

I've been trying to get him/her back on track on talking about Quenda but it doesn't seem like the person wants to discuss the football side of things pertaining the player.

 

[MCDC]

So what about Quenda, any good?

Don’t know.

Do you prefer data or eye test?

 

[Tallis]

Can someone who followed / read the data vs eye test debate do a summary? I feel there was useful information there but too much to read.

 

[OleGunnar20]

This must be how the inner voice a person with adhd works.

Haha, you got me. If I told you I wrote that post while listening to an audiobook and assembling a scrambled egg sandwich, would that help flesh out the image?

 

[pascell]

Don’t know.

Do you prefer data or eye test?

Typically eye test, but I don't have any eyesight for sticking pins in them after attempting to read the last 2 pages of this thread, so data.

 

[Rossa]

Haha, you got me. If I told you I wrote that post while listening to an audiobook and assembling a scrambled egg sandwich, would that help flesh out the image?

It most definitely will. Fantastic

 

[DannyCAFC]

Haha, you got me. If I told you I wrote that post while listening to an audiobook and assembling a scrambled egg sandwich, would that help flesh out the image?

I'm guessing you were intermittently swapping between typing and sandwich-making, but I'm choosing to believe you were doing each with one hand simultaneously to add to already chaotic image in my mind.

 

[FlawlessVictory88]

That's fine you've decided to double down on your opinion. And everything that contradicts that is false.

Barry Hunter was a regional scout at City who was in charge of a particular region when it came to identifying talent. And he wasn't fired by Txiki Begiristain, because Hunter and Fallows both departed before the arrival of Begiristain at City who himself made plenty of mistakes.

And according to the journo Paul Joyce who is very reliable for the goings on at Liverpool fc. It was Hunter and Fallows who were very influential in changing Klopp's mind on signing Mohammed Salah rather than Julian Brandt from the recruitment department. The source below with quotes is Paul Joyce but the link is from a aggragator site.

"The 64-year-old is credited with having played a key role in helping bring talismanic Egyptian forward Mo Salah to the club back in 2017 in a £34.3m deal. Virgil van Dijk and Alisson Becker, likewise, should be included as shining examples of the club’s recruitment policy."

“The scouting department was really behind me, and wanted to do it even earlier so that nobody could jump in!” Jurgen Klopp said back in 2020.

“We were sure he can help us. Michael Edwards, Dave Fallows and Barry [Hunter], they were really in my ear and were on it: ‘Come on, come on, Mo Salah, he’s the solution!’”

https://www.empireofthekop.com/2024/10/25/dave-fallows-agrees-liverpool-exit/

Respectfully your last salvo applies to yourself. And when you can't make sense of what you're seeing on the pitch, you then want to run to data to help you understand the game of football. So the 5 steps you've put forwarded can easily be refuted with logic and reason using footballing principles. But you don't want to discuss the football side of things and are completely wedded to the number crunching via data/statistics, which is a very tunnel visioned approach to developing a football team.

You brought Antony up and I can give you countless other examples where I've brought up players on this forum who were pretty unknown, and those players went onto big big clubs for big fees and some of those players went for measly low fees and became really valuable assets for their clubs. And I'm going to make mistakes because I'm mainly watching these players on TV, but my hit rate for someone who doesn't rely on data or analytics and relies solely on the eye test is pretty good. And the latest example is Vitinha who is currently at PSG.

Graham has publicly stated that Salah was the most boring signing during his decade at Liverpool because he was the only signing everyone in the recruitment team agreed on. "The data team loved him, the scouts loved him and Edwards loved him"

And Hojlund is showing the ability to be both a hold up play player who can receive passes in dangerous areas, aswell having the ability to utilise his pace in transition and run in behind.

This is actually very interesting for the system. And with a bit of fine tuning I think he's got the ability to be a great focal point at centre forward where he will receive passes in dangerous zones and bring others into play.

And that is a skill that the likes of Kolo-Muani and Osimhen haven't demonstrated, with both players being better at running in behind rather what I feel ten Hag is looking for in a centre forward, where holding the ball up and bringing others into play as well as pinning the opposing centre back is a requirement. And on top of that, Hojlund is also someone who is good at running in behind the back line.

Skill that the likes of Muani and Osimhen haven't demonstrated....

I would say Lautaro is the wrong profile of player for us to target due to him not being comfortable at leading the line on his own hence he plays alongside another striker in a 352. It makes sense to target Hojlund due to his age and profile where he can play across the forward line and is physically well developed for a 20 year old. Unlike at Inter, I feel we'll look to play higher up the pitch via a higher defensive line. And if we're able to play like that it's a matter of Onana hitting the space for the target to run into or pass into feet. And Hojlund is showing the ability to be both a hold up play player who can receive passes in dangerous areas, aswell having the ability to utilise his pace in transition and run in behind.

I'm hoping we can get Mount, Onana and Hojlund done before that. Then a lot will depend on how the takeover process develops.

He's like Lautato WITH PACE!

And I think with the signings we've made thus far and with potentially someone like Amrabat also joining us, we should see Antony's on the ball potential a lot more.

Antony fits into the play style but that play style hasn't come to fruition and isn't even understood or discussed by many.

Antony and Amrabat with a playstyle msot people can't even understand apparently. Must be why the stats guys just don't get it.

As the main striker he's shown good ability to play with his back to goal, aswell as exploit space in-behind with his pace. And he can also be utilised as a right sided forward, as well as play off the main striker.

I hate to go all stats guy. But Rasmus literally has the worst duel numbers in the premier league, he's 32/32 when filtered for players with over 300 minutes. But these are just stats, what's the eye test reporting?

If there's people who want to feel upset that the club has overpaid on Hojlund then please vent your frustration because it doesn't affect me due to me being happy with how things are developing thus far. The biggest concern wfor me was the type of direction we were going into as far as developing a play style is concerned. And thus far the moves that have been made make a lot of sense imo as far as improving our in possession potential and also out of possession potential.
It's understandable that people would be a little apprehensive over Hojlund due to his age.

Thank you for giving us permission to vent. Register me as one of the frustrated fans.

He's technically and tactically superb, improves us alot.

Van de Beek zingers too.

So you loved the signing of Antony/Rasmus/Mount/Van De Beek. I stopped at Van De Beek.

Serious question how often do you need to be wrong so badly before you realise you don't have a clue?

 

[redcarpet]

I think FlawlessVictory88 is Adnan's alter-ego. A manifestation of his inner darkness that was once as easy to switch off as a light switch, but is now emboldened by the imminent return of the statisticians' favourite player - Mason Mount.

 

[OleGunnar20]

I'm guessing you were intermittently swapping between typing and sandwich-making, but I'm choosing to believe you were doing each with one hand simultaneously to add to already chaotic image in my mind.

Well that explains that pesky egg build up in my SD card slots. Thanks Danny for the unexpected revelation, lots to discuss with the counsellor this week.

Shambles of a sandwich too let's be honest

 

[Adnan]

Graham has publicly stated that Salah was the most boring signing during his decade at Liverpool because he was the only signing everyone in the recruitment team agreed on. "The data team loved him, the scouts loved him and Edwards loved him"


Skill that the likes of Muani and Osimhen haven't demonstrated....



He's like Lautato WITH PACE!


Antony and Amrabat with a playstyle msot people can't even understand apparently. Must be why the stats guys just don't get it.


I hate to go all stats guy. But Rasmus literally has the worst duel numbers in the premier league, he's 32/32 when filtered for players with over 300 minutes. But these are just stats, what's the eye test reporting?


Thank you for giving us permission to vent. Register me as one of the frustrated fans.



Van de Beek zingers too.

So you loved the signing of Antony/Rasmus/Mount/Van De Beek. I stopped at Van De Beek.

Serious question how often do you need to be wrong so badly before you realise you don't have a clue?

Why have you decided to bring up my post from previous years about unrelated subjects? Really strange..

But as you've brought up the subject then it wasn't Højlund who I wanted but rather it Benjamin Sesko who I wanted as the central striker and was very early in pointing that out. My posts are there for you to search if you don't believe me.

Why are you afraid to stay on the topic? You've even made up stuff about Txiki Begiristain sacking Barry Hunter and Dave Fallows at City, which is completely untrue. You won't engage on Quenda regarding the stats you presented.

Digging up my post history to selectively pick out posts is only making that hole deeper for yourself.

 

[Red4Life_#7]

While Dalot has been poor this season and I don't think suits the wingback role in this system, I don't know where this idea that he's been poor for years comes from. He was literally our best player last season; in 22/23 he had a strong first half of the season before injury took him out for a couple of months then he ended the season at a lower level but still wasn't bad; and if I remember correctly he finished 21/22 quite strongly as well.

He's continually played this season because for as bad a form as he's been in, he's basically spent the entire season as our second best fullback/wingback. Under ETH as a fullback Mazraoui was obviously better, but Dalot was better than any of our other available options. Then under Amorim as a wingback he's actually been better than Mazraoui (Dalot gets forward and stretches the play a lot more, even if his final ball is poor) who has clearly been better at CB, so Dalot was our second best to Amad. Then Amad got injured so Dalot has continued being our second best now to Dorgu (who we obviously hope will establish himself as comfortably better).

Exactly!! Good post.
I'd like to add Dalot has had no consistency to build form. He has to change position and play out of position throughout this season. Now with Dorgu, Dalot should get some time to play RWB.
Dalot is a hard worker, everyone deserves time to re-gain their form.

I am pro signing Geovany Quenda if our scouting team and manager believe his ceiling is high enough and good enough to play in the EPL.

 

[Ali Dia]

Graham has publicly stated that Salah was the most boring signing during his decade at Liverpool because he was the only signing everyone in the recruitment team agreed on. "The data team loved him, the scouts loved him and Edwards loved him"


Skill that the likes of Muani and Osimhen haven't demonstrated....



He's like Lautato WITH PACE!


Antony and Amrabat with a playstyle msot people can't even understand apparently. Must be why the stats guys just don't get it.


I hate to go all stats guy. But Rasmus literally has the worst duel numbers in the premier league, he's 32/32 when filtered for players with over 300 minutes. But these are just stats, what's the eye test reporting?


Thank you for giving us permission to vent. Register me as one of the frustrated fans.



Van de Beek zingers too.

So you loved the signing of Antony/Rasmus/Mount/Van De Beek. I stopped at Van De Beek.

Serious question how often do you need to be wrong so badly before you realise you don't have a clue?

What's with the tone? You have to stick your neck out to make predictions and like anything else you'll be wrong sometimes. Adnan is easily one of the better posters on here for sure not just spouting the same shite about hating certain players every single day or how the owners are clueless. Backroom, tactics and scouting are his thing but you can only infer from what little bits are available online as to how these processes work at each different club