From a Pakistani Fan

[Dumbstar]

Now that we are out of the world cup, I have two things to say:

1) Inzi was told by everybody in and outside Pakistan to bat higher than 5 to stem the number of early wickets we lose. Batting at 5 he loses us vital singles and twos which is pointless. He listened to no one but his own beard.

2) The only silver in the lining I can see is that this humiliation might be the last we see of Inzi and his bearded cult. We might actually get a fresher, younger Pakistan at last. And if Inzi doesn't let go easily then the Pakistani public need to show their dismay at him in their own threatening way. In one of the most corrupted countries on the planet the public sometimes have to get their hands dirty to get things done.

 

[Sultan]

Now that we are out of the world cup, I have two things to say:

1) Inzi was told by everybody in and outside Pakistan to bat higher than 5 to stem the number of early wickets we lose. Batting at 5 he loses us vital singles and twos which is pointless. He listened to no one but his own beard.

2) The only silver in the lining I can see is that this humiliation might be the last we see of Inzi and his bearded cult. We might actually get a fresher, younger Pakistan at last. And if Inzi doesn't let go easily then the Pakistani public need to show their dismay at him in their own threatening way. In one of the most corrupted countries on the planet the public sometimes have to get their hands dirty to get things done.

Nothing wrong with the bearded cult. Muhammed Yousuf has been a saviour over the lat year, Inzi has been one of the greatest batsmen ever produced by Pakistan. I would direct blame to the non religious, egotistical druggies and in particular the attitudes of various top order batsmen (none sporting a beard).

Indiciplined performance - which is exactly how I would generalise the Pakistan nation.

 

[Dumbstar]

Sultan, sorry if you miscontrued what I said. When I referred to the bearded cult I meant the favourites Inzi has (some of which are non-bearded, like Hafeez). Mohammad Yousef is the obvious exception in that he keeps a beard because of his religion and not to get a place in the team.

Inzi's blatant nepotism (specially with persisting with Naved) has caused us to lose face. Once he goes all the rubbish goes out with him.

Inzi has been our saviour about a year ago. He's now lingered too long and is treating the cricket team as his own little clique club. Like I said, those who have watched and discussed Pakistani cricket in detail in the last year would have seen this shameful day coming.

 

[rotherham_red]

nothing wrong with the bearded cult, if anything, they need to work their magic on danny-boy lol.

nah seriously, what we needed to do (maybe at the west indies tour) was to promote the youngsters like bazid khan, hasan raza, akhtar ayub, tariq mahmood, etc. we've won the u-19 WC consecutively (a feat no other country has matched), and won the u-15 WC also, why has the full team never tasted the fruits of those successes? we once prided ourselves on the notion that we always gave youth a chance (we gave a 14 year old hasan raza his bow in test cricket FFS!), and for this blatant ignorance of our talent, the blame can be squarely placed at the feet of wasim bari & co. and, to a much larger extent, the corrupt system in which our cricket is run, whereby a mediocre player can represent his country simply because he knows the right people, or because he has a large enough "committee" behind him (prime example: junaid zia - the SON of the ex chief of selectors!) instead, we have had to put up with the perennial "last chance saloon" guys like nazir, hafeez etc, people who have proven to not have enough, simply because they know the right people, not because they truly deserve the honour to represent pakistan, and for this, inzi cannot be blamed.

look at him, you can tell from his body language, that he is sick of it, and that he'll probably retire at the end of the WC, and i personally reckon he has known that their needed to be new blood into the team, but cos of the pillocks over at the pcb, they would never have got a chance, atleast before the WC anyway...

the pcb also deserves a lot of blame - for the fiasco of the drugs ban soap opera, their corruption and general incompetance, and the fact that they simply exacerbate the divide between the players and the team - if any nepotism has existed in this team, it has come through the pcb, not inzi.



all this, and there is no mention of the "injuries" to asif and shoaib - did anyone realistically expect gul to bowl out teams singlehandedly? especially with the likes of rana and sami to back him up? i certainly did not.
then we were struck a blow with razzaq being injured literally weeks before the start of the WC, and then, we had afridi's laughably long ban, for showing frustration, we've been knocked out, however, but for the issues in this paragraph, we would have, at the very least, made it to the semis...

 

[Dumbstar]

The PCB are obviously to blame. That will never change so should not be discussed at length more than necessary. We always gave youth a chance under Imran, Wasim, Javed Miandad, Waqar Younis. During all of this we had the same corrupt PCB, so why is Inzi's period any different?

No, the blame lies with Inzi squarely. He has his clique and has tried to keep his yes men around him for as long as possible. You can see moments of madness from Younis and Yousef as a shout for help. Younis and Yousef in the last few months are suffering quite badly under Inzi's stagnant regime, its not that they are sh*t all of a sudden. Inzi should have quit a year ago (as Imran advised him to do a year ago!!!). Now the great saviour in our blood system has become our poison.

If we had lost to India/Aus/SA/New Zealand, etc, then we might have been allowed to use injuries as an excuse. But to Ireland????? To use injuries as an excuse against Ireland is just shameful.

 

[Plechazunga]

And if Inzi doesn't let go easily then the Pakistani public need to show their dismay at him in their own threatening way. In one of the most corrupted countries on the planet the public sometimes have to get their hands dirty to get things done.

Yes, that's a good idea, the strategy of the national cricket team should be decided by mob violence

22 points behind United...knocked out by Ireland

Hehehe

 

[Sultan]

Yes, that's a good idea, the strategy of the national cricket team should be decided by mob violence

Mob culture is standard behaviour on the Sub-Continent in times of so called crises - it's what I had been trying to explain during the cartoon crises, nothing to do with religion...


"The reactions to Pakistan's shock first-round elimination from the World Cup has, understandably, enraged passionate fans back home and drawn plenty of criticism. In a nation stunned by Pakistan's three-wicket defeat to Ireland in Jamaica, there have been angry protests, calls for arrest and even Nasim Ashraf, the Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) chief, hasn't been spared.

"We will ask for his [Ashraf's] resignation in the meeting which is due to take place before March 28," Senator Mohammad Enver Baig, a member of the senate standing committee on culture, sports, youth affairs and tourism told AFP. "You lost miserably to a country like Ireland. There is nothing to compensate and the chairman must resign and go back to the United States.

"The way the team has lost is the most disgraceful performance since the World Cup started. The entire nation is shocked."

Baig said Ashraf had no experience to head the PCB and that his "one-man show" management had resulted in the "shameful defeat." "He is a crony of [President] Pervez Musharraf and the way he [Musharraf] is running the country, the cricket board is also being run in same manner. It is a one-man rule everywhere."

In Multan, Inzamam-ul-Haq's home town, incensed youth held a protest rally, chanted slogans against Pakistan and demanded that police arrest the World Cup squad. The mob was heard chanting, "Death to Bob Woolmer , death to Inzamam, death to Nasim Ashraf - police should arrest them".

Sarfraz Nawaz, the former Pakistan fast bowler, said the shock was "unbearable". "I am speaking with deep pain and this shock is becoming unbearable for me," he said, demanding that those responsible be fired. "The captain, coach and the entire team should be held accountable. It seemed that the umpires also wanted that Pakistan should win, but the body language of the team reflected that they wanted to lose."

 

[Donaldo]

Brilliant.The same will happen once we're out.Venugopal Rao will become captain of the new look Indian team.

 

[Donaldo]

Now that we are out of the world cup, I have two things to say:

1) Inzi was told by everybody in and outside Pakistan to bat higher than 5 to stem the number of early wickets we lose. Batting at 5 he loses us vital singles and twos which is pointless. He listened to no one but his own beard.

2) The only silver in the lining I can see is that this humiliation might be the last we see of Inzi and his bearded cult. We might actually get a fresher, younger Pakistan at last. And if Inzi doesn't let go easily then the Pakistani public need to show their dismay at him in their own threatening way. In one of the most corrupted countries on the planet the public sometimes have to get their hands dirty to get things done.

You're a strange one.Who told the 'public' to take the game so seriously?Its mainly the fault of the media at home and the god-like status given to these idiots that causes such disappointment once something like this happens.

Ireland and Bangladesh.

 

[Wembley Red]

Ive always had a lot of time and respect for Inzaman. You could see from his body language that hes just bored and fed up with everything thats happened in the last year. He should play his last test series at home and then retite in peace.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

You're a strange one.Who told the 'public' to take the game so seriously?Its mainly the fault of the media at home and the god-like status given to these idiots that causes such disappointment once something like this happens.

Ireland and Bangladesh.

Sorry dont see it that way. Dont agree with taking violent measures but cricket is huge in these parts and thats just the way it is. There is a responsibility out there to represent your nation putting in all you're blood and sweat into it. Both teams have embaressed their respective nations on the biggest stage of their countries biggest passions. Its not like the film industry where Shahrukh Khan is accountable to no one else if he acts badly. This is the indian cricket team for gods sake. Same with Pakistan.

 

[rotherham_red]

The PCB are obviously to blame. That will never change so should not be discussed at length more than necessary. We always gave youth a chance under Imran, Wasim, Javed Miandad, Waqar Younis. During all of this we had the same corrupt PCB, so why is Inzi's period any different?

No, the blame lies with Inzi squarely. He has his clique and has tried to keep his yes men around him for as long as possible. You can see moments of madness from Younis and Yousef as a shout for help. Younis and Yousef in the last few months are suffering quite badly under Inzi's stagnant regime, its not that they are sh*t all of a sudden. Inzi should have quit a year ago (as Imran advised him to do a year ago!!!). Now the great saviour in our blood system has become our poison.

If we had lost to India/Aus/SA/New Zealand, etc, then we might have been allowed to use injuries as an excuse. But to Ireland????? To use injuries as an excuse against Ireland is just shameful.

the reason why youth was never given a chance was because the pcb wanted a "change of focus", looking for stability rather than change, the fact that there were better players available than the ones who were actually played, seemed to have been missed on them...

why has inzi ever wanted his clique around him? he aint egotistical, he's quite the opposite in fact, and thats the reason why i do not rate him very highly as a captain.
cant those moments of madness by younis and yousuf just be seen as merely bad form on the part of younis and yousuf? yeh yousuf has really suffered in the last few months, what with his century against SA, his almost vital half century in the test in the same tour, and so on. younis and yousuf are just going through a spell of bad form, that is all...

if they were here and there, then they wouldnt be used as an excuse, but that was practically the spine of our team...

 

[Plechazunga]

Sorry dont see it that way. Dont agree with taking violent measures but cricket is huge in these parts and thats just the way it is. There is a responsibility out there to represent your nation putting in all you're blood and sweat into it. Both teams have embaressed their respective nations on the biggest stage of their countries biggest passions. Its not like the film industry where Shahrukh Khan is accountable to no one else if he acts badly. This is the indian cricket team for gods sake. Same with Pakistan.

But that's not something that should be pandered to. When it comes down to it it IS actually just a game, it's pathetic to go round demanding people's deaths because of it.

If it's a way of people actually expressing political dissent that they can't express any other way, then fair enough. Otherwise, they need to get a grip.

Nationalism = mainly spastic

 

[Dumbstar]

Yes, that's a good idea, the strategy of the national cricket team should be decided by mob violence

22 points behind United...knocked out by Ireland

Hehehe

Come on Champions League number 6! I need you now more than ever!

 

[Dumbstar]

But that's not something that should be pandered to. When it comes down to it it IS actually just a game, it's pathetic to go round demanding people's deaths because of it.

If it's a way of people actually expressing political dissent that they can't express any other way, then fair enough. Otherwise, they need to get a grip.

Nationalism = mainly spastic

Different countries, different passions, different levels of corruption require different forms of reprisals.

Writing an emotional email to the Cricket Board, expressing your views by phone on an 0870 number to some television programme or a series of strong blog comments may work in the UK, South Africa and Australia but in overtly corrupt areas of the world the actions have to be more 'appropriate' to be heard.

Its not nationalism, its realism.

 

[Devil_3565]

Seriously....I dont think Inzy even utilised even 70% of his potential!!

 

[Sultan]

Its not nationalism, its realism.

It's ignorance.

Get a grip...

 

[Wibble]

But that's not something that should be pandered to. When it comes down to it it IS actually just a game, it's pathetic to go round demanding people's deaths because of it.

If it's a way of people actually expressing political dissent that they can't express any other way, then fair enough. Otherwise, they need to get a grip.

Nationalism = mainly spastic

The best practice for getting used to the huge comedown when unrealistic expectations come crashing down is to be a supporter of the English national football team. do that for 30 or 40 years and crushing disappointment becomes almost like a friend.

 

[OK enough.]

The PCB are obviously to blame. That will never change so should not be discussed at length more than necessary. We always gave youth a chance under Imran, Wasim, Javed Miandad, Waqar Younis. During all of this we had the same corrupt PCB, so why is Inzi's period any different?

No, the blame lies with Inzi squarely. He has his clique and has tried to keep his yes men around him for as long as possible. You can see moments of madness from Younis and Yousef as a shout for help. Younis and Yousef in the last few months are suffering quite badly under Inzi's stagnant regime, its not that they are sh*t all of a sudden. Inzi should have quit a year ago (as Imran advised him to do a year ago!!!). Now the great saviour in our blood system has become our poison.

If we had lost to India/Aus/SA/New Zealand, etc, then we might have been allowed to use injuries as an excuse. But to Ireland????? To use injuries as an excuse against Ireland is just shameful.

Its shock really, Pakistan are very good team in one day games, i don't know what happened to them, may be bad luck,

In cricket world cup you have to play your highest level otherwise you will be the loser, such an experienced side like Pakistan should not have lost against the newcomers(Ireland) and the inexperience side.

 

[Donaldo]

The best practice for getting used to the huge comedown when unrealistic expectations come crashing down is to be a supporter of the English national football team. do that for 30 or 40 years and crushing disappointment becomes almost like a friend.

I was using this example with a friend of mine.The Engish are the best at understanding this stuff.