Originally posted by Wibble:
<strong>MO has a long history of talking shite on here. Presumably it won't be long before he gets banned again for ... well mainly for being MO.
Best thing is to ignore him and hope he will go away. The chances of holding a rational conversation with him about football are similar to that of an amoeba understanding quantum physics. Then again amoebas may one day evolve intelligence.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Top post.
Originally posted by MO 2k:
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True football fans appreciate good football</strong><hr></blockquote>
Thats why true football fans hate Liverpool. The Wimbledon of the 21st century.
Feckin' Wimblepool supports.
Originally posted by Livvie20:
<strong>Questions:
1) Why were Manchester United so well supported when in the second division - and in fact, for 26 years between titles.
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a) in the relegation year, possibly because it was such a novelty, because you were visiting strange new grounds and also because there was such a sense of outrage that fans flocked to the club?
b) because there is a "glory" or "tribal" element to following a team like manyoo or liverpool that goes beyond a trophy count. you still had a high profile in the media and you still had fans who wanted glory-by-association, just as we've had the same in the last largely trophy-free decade
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2) Why are there so many people on KopTalk from all over the world.</strong>
because scousers are in demand everywhere as nations struggle to fill intellectually demanding jobs and/or improve their gene pool
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as a sidebar, i think it's disingenous to compare the fans (glory-hunters or otherwise) of the 70s and 80s with the prawn sandwich brigade of today. the football demographic has fundamentally changed and it is quite simply a fact that there are substantially more fickle middle-class supporters than there ever was before
next question?
Originally posted by ChampionsElect:
<strong>End of the day, we fill Old Trafford for every bloody game, be it against Boavista or Real Madrid - whereas Liverpool struggle regularly to attract more than 30k.</strong><hr></blockquote>
end of the day, we take more away. and we are top of the league
Originally posted by elljay:
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end of the day, we take more away. and we are top of the league
You take more away?
Like the 500 hundred tickets you sold for your game in Dortmund..... <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />
Originally posted by elljay:
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next question?</strong><hr></blockquote>
why so u can give us another bullshit answer.
Originally posted by elljay:
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, we take more away.
your delusional, at least davo and softlad try to talk sense
Originally posted by elljay:
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that's cos all your glory-hunters from singapore are switching to leeds and arsenal</strong><hr></blockquote>
Eh no. It's the same amount of Mancs on here as usual. But far more Scallies. I wonder why.....
Originally posted by Fergiesarmy:
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you really are bitter for a tart arent u!
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Oh Dear, not only is she a Scouser, but an ugly Scouse slapper on top of that.....
Originally posted by Fergiesarmy:
<strong>well said
i still cant get over that other scousers comments that they take more away!
thats why we have to have a ballot for every away game to see who gets tickets
Originally posted by Jens:
<strong>and they dont even sell out for bolton</strong><hr></blockquote>
Nevermind Bolton - they return to the main European compettion after a 16 year absence (a competition they have been desperate to get back to), and they only manage to fill 2/3 of the stadium for the first two games.....
Originally posted by True Treble Reds:
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Thing is, United fans didn't disappear into the woodwork when things went bad in '74. To say that the fans thought visiting strange new grounds was a novelty is really a silly little 'can't think of anything better to say' comment. Do you really think United fans wanted to travel to York City for a pre Christams game rather than the likes of the Arse or poo? Nope, we didn't, but we feckin' did! (I went with me Dad).
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maybe you didn't. and by phrasing your response like that you're inviting agreement. but i'm pretty sure that many fans do actually enjoy visiting different grounds. i know i do. that's why cups are such good fun. god forbid we join you in the nationwide, but if we did, i know i'd make more effort to get to away games than i currently do - which would help to bring the attendances up
but yes, you're right, it was a largely frivolous suggestion
but not because i had nothing else to say. i'm not 100% sure of this, but i think you'll find your attendances actually went up when you were relegated. especially the size of the crowd you took away. i think the whole adversity thing inspired people. though i'm prepared to bet it wouldn't have lasted if you'd stayed down more than one season
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You see elljay, to just about every pre '92 United fan, the Red Devils are a religion. Nowadays it is glory by association in some aspects, I'll give you that, but not back in the 70's and 80's.
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you don't have to patronise me. i might only be a kid. but my dad isn't. and i know plenty about the "old days". i'll come back to this in a moment
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United fans back then who travelled to the 'novelty' grounds and went to OT every week are almost definitely still going to OT today.
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no. they're not. not definitely. not even "almost definitely". some of them are dead. some too old to go. some of them will have been priced out. some of them will have moved away. some will simply have found other responsibilities that make it impossible for them.
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No Gloryunting tag will ever diminish the love of a club that United fans have for theirs.... Never <img src="graemlins/devil.gif" border="0" alt="[Devil]" />
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i'm not actually trying to diminish anything. i'm just trying to explain something i believe quite strongly. and let's put aside the term "glory-hunter" for a moment so it might be a little contentious
clubs like lfc and mufc (and to a lesser extent leeds, chelsea, arsenal and spurs ... and i guess, but on a much smaller scale ... all the other clubs) have always attracted non-local fans. not just because of the trophy count, but because -
a) they are born into it. dad was a manc. dad moved to australia. or portsmouth. little ozzie eric is brought up a manc whether he likes it or not
b) there's something missing in their life. their hometown is dull and they don't fit in with the kids on their estate. or they just want to be different. so they pick something else to latch onto. for some it's music. or poetry. or the internet. for some, it's football. and a (usually high profile) team to latch onto. not just for the trophies. not even just for the football. but for sense of "belonging" and "specialness" that they're seeking
i've read and heard a lot about football in the early 80s, and i absolutely know that there were hundreds of liverpool fans from all over the country who were drawn to liverpool by "the end" and by the perceived "cool" that went with being a liverpool "boy".
and i'm sure there were many others - from all the same places - who found themselves lured to old trafford for many of the same reasons
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oh, and btw ... about taking more away. i was partially teasing. but i was also a little bit serious. check some of your programs from away games and see who draws the biggest crowd, lfc or mufc. either we take more away, or the home fans and neutrals prefer to watch our ugly boring game to your fantastically entertaining travelling french circus
Originally posted by elljay:
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oh, and btw ... about taking more away. i was partially teasing. but i was also a little bit serious. check some of your programs from away games and see who draws the biggest crowd, lfc or mufc. either we take more away, or the home fans and neutrals prefer to watch our ugly boring game to your fantastically entertaining travelling french circus
All our away games are sold out......
Originally posted by Fergiesarmy:
<strong>god your a sad old cow elljay
i go to united because i love the club and its my local team and ever since the first time i went i became addicted, nothing to do with glory.
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really? a superficial wanker like you couldn't find your arse with both hands and a fecking big torch. "glory" might be the wrong word, which is why i took great pains to exclude it. "addiction" is quite a good analogy though. you're filling the obviously huge void in your life with the first "drug" you could find
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we sell out every away game allocation - simple, im not sure that u sell every one of yours though. im sure u will be telling me otherwise.
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i honestly don't know. i'm not so obsessive that i care. if i can go, i try to get a ticket. if i can't, i don't go. all i know is that the attendance figures in my away programmes suggest that liverpool draws a slightly bigger crowd at a majority of away grounds. it's a fact. i think. deal with it or ignore it. who cares?
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we seemed to have more in cardiff than you lot too.
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yes. but that was your cup final
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