Flintoff vetoed Monty's selection, and Mahmood's.

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EXCLUSIVE By MIKE DICKSON

Duncan Fletcher wanted to pick Monty Panesar ahead of Ashley Giles for the second Test but was unable to persuade Andrew Flintoff and other senior players.

The England coach has been blamed for the decision to select Giles for the calamitous defeat in Adelaide, but Sportsmail can reveal he was actually in favour of Panesar being included instead.

Fletcher forms part of a five-man group which debates key issues - the other members are Flintoff, Andrew Strauss, Geraint Jones and Paul Collingwood - but always allows his captain to have the final say.

Fletcher pushed for Panesar and Sajid Mahmood to be called into the team which was so comprehensively outplayed in the first Test, but Flintoff insisted on sticking by Giles and James Anderson.

Fletcher hinted at the situation yesterday when he said: "I'm not the sole selector on this tour".

The revelation that Flecther and Flintoff were so deeply divided shows cracks are appearing in England's selection system but one issue coach and captain definitely agree on is that beleaguered fast bowler Steve Harmison faces an uphill battle to keep his place for next week's third Test in Perth, and may even have played his last match for England.

Patience with the woefully out-of-form Harmison is running so low that even Flintoff is becoming disillusioned with his close friend, who has only taken one wicket in the opening two Tests, and other senior players have simply given up on the Durham bowler.

It already appears unlikely that he will be given a place in the one-day leg of this tour and the World Cup that follows in the Caribbean.

If Harmison is left out in Perth, it will boost Mahmood's hopes of a call-up, despite the fact Flintoff is far less a fan of his Lancashire team-mate than Fletcher.

Panesar's claims appear irresistible although it remains to be seen whether Flintoff is prepared to sanction the dropping of Giles, to whom he remains loyal.

Meanwhile, Michael Vaughan continued his comeback yesterday by scoring nine for an ECB Academy XI in Perth in a one-day game against Western Australia second XI.

It was his second game back and it is now likely that he will try to play in England's two day-game against Western Australia this weekend.

That would make him a semi-detached member of the existing tour party, but there is no chance of him playing in the third Test that begins a week today.

The earliest he could come into contention for a place would be at Melbourne on Boxing Day, but only if he has proved the fitness of his knee in several other games, and that seems some way away.

Fletcher said: "What we have to do is make sure Michael gets a lot of cricket under his belt. He needs to be very confident of the knee and there is not much time for him between the third and fourth Tests and even the fifth Test. 'Until he is confident we won't consider him."


Source :: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/li...tml?in_article_id=420938&in_page_id=1849&ct=5



And with the rumours from earlier in the summer that Fletcher favoured Strauss over Flintoff when it came ot the captaincy too.

I wonder if there was unanimity amongst the players or Strauss or the others also wanted Monty to come in, hm.

Could you argue that there is a conflict of interest for Freddie when dealing with Harmison and Giles?
 
And how can there be a fair discussion about who should be wicket keeper with Geraint Jones on the panel that contributes to selection policy?

It all sounds like a right mess.
 
Fletcher forms part of a five-man group which debates key issues - the other members are Flintoff, Andrew Strauss, Geraint Jones and Paul ******gwood - but always allows his captain to have the final say.
This part sounds dodgy to me. Surely the coach has the final say especially when Flintoff is hardly a great tactitian.
 
With India its Chapell and Dravid with Chapell probably having a bigger influence.
 
All rounders rarely make good captains although I'm Lancashire to the core I think Strauss should have been the skipper and let Freddie do what he does best play the main man
 
Strauss apparently threw a bit of a hissy fit when not allowed to bat today.
 
Glad you're back, GG, if only for a short time.

I suspect you're being back might end with most of the forum acting like 50 Cent, i.e. (these are not my words) 'like the monkey that found the tinsel'.

That's racist. Sorry.
 
Wibble said:
I might do.

Depends which was the Captain when England won the Ashes.

aye, Vaughn.

he's become a bit of a gadfly recently. Strauss and Cook needed some more time in the middle desperately so what he's got to moan about, i'm not sure.

he needs to just hush.
 
sincher said:
Glad you're back, GG, if only for a short time.

I suspect you're being back might end with most of the forum acting like 50 Cent, i.e. (these are not my words) 'like the monkey that found the tinsel'.

That's racist. Sorry.

i have no idea what that means, i'm afraid.
 
GiggsysGirl said:
i have no idea what that means, i'm afraid.

Probably me. The word tinsel just reminded me of it. Nothing to see here.
 
It is probably some sordid breats milk related plot GG, so don't worry about it.

Sincher is perverted but harmless.

Probably.
 
Sincher copies all of his opinions from Richter, who is perverted but harmless
 
Richter is currently harmed but pervertless, unfortunately for him.

I copied this off Richter.
 
Perverted anyway.

The stoats might object to him being labeled harmless.
 
So, anyway, GG, why did you leave? And why are you back?
 
She left because she was sick of you pestering her for breast milk.

I think it is obvious why she has returned.
 
Nick 0208 Ldn said:
EXCLUSIVE By MIKE DICKSON

Duncan Fletcher wanted to pick Monty Panesar ahead of Ashley Giles for the second Test but was unable to persuade Andrew Flintoff and other senior players.

The England coach has been blamed for the decision to select Giles for the calamitous defeat in Adelaide, but Sportsmail can reveal he was actually in favour of Panesar being included instead.

Fletcher forms part of a five-man group which debates key issues - the other members are Flintoff, Andrew Strauss, Geraint Jones and Paul ******gwood - but always allows his captain to have the final say.

Fletcher pushed for Panesar and Sajid Mahmood to be called into the team which was so comprehensively outplayed in the first Test, but Flintoff insisted on sticking by Giles and James Anderson.

Fletcher hinted at the situation yesterday when he said: "I'm not the sole selector on this tour".

The revelation that Flecther and Flintoff were so deeply divided shows cracks are appearing in England's selection system but one issue coach and captain definitely agree on is that beleaguered fast bowler Steve Harmison faces an uphill battle to keep his place for next week's third Test in Perth, and may even have played his last match for England.

Patience with the woefully out-of-form Harmison is running so low that even Flintoff is becoming disillusioned with his close friend, who has only taken one wicket in the opening two Tests, and other senior players have simply given up on the Durham bowler.

It already appears unlikely that he will be given a place in the one-day leg of this tour and the World Cup that follows in the Caribbean.

If Harmison is left out in Perth, it will boost Mahmood's hopes of a call-up, despite the fact Flintoff is far less a fan of his Lancashire team-mate than Fletcher.

Panesar's claims appear irresistible although it remains to be seen whether Flintoff is prepared to sanction the dropping of Giles, to whom he remains loyal.

Meanwhile, Michael Vaughan continued his comeback yesterday by scoring nine for an ECB Academy XI in Perth in a one-day game against Western Australia second XI.

It was his second game back and it is now likely that he will try to play in England's two day-game against Western Australia this weekend.

That would make him a semi-detached member of the existing tour party, but there is no chance of him playing in the third Test that begins a week today.

The earliest he could come into contention for a place would be at Melbourne on Boxing Day, but only if he has proved the fitness of his knee in several other games, and that seems some way away.

Fletcher said: "What we have to do is make sure Michael gets a lot of cricket under his belt. He needs to be very confident of the knee and there is not much time for him between the third and fourth Tests and even the fifth Test. 'Until he is confident we won't consider him."


Source :: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/li...tml?in_article_id=420938&in_page_id=1849&ct=5



And with the rumours from earlier in the summer that Fletcher favoured Strauss over Flintoff when it came ot the captaincy too.

I wonder if there was unanimity amongst the players or Strauss or the others also wanted Monty to come in, hm.

Could you argue that there is a conflict of interest for Freddie when dealing with Harmison and Giles?

Nice Imaginative Story.
Just don’t believe it.
 
Apparently there is some sort of rift. But what I've heard is that Freddie's not been able to get the team he wants.
 
sincher said:
So, anyway, GG, why did you leave? And why are you back?

i'm not back...technically.

i don't understand this 'panel' malarkey. Fletcher keeps reminding everyone that Vaughn is still technically captain and then says Fred gets the final say :confused: Fred shouldn't get the final say about anything! don't get me wrong, i love the man to pieces, but i'm still not convinced he's up to this.

i said it before Adelaide and i'll say it again...Giles, Harmison out! Panesar, Mahmood in!

bet you any money it's Anderson who gets the chop tho :rolleyes: despite his way more ancouraging 3-53 than Harmison's what? 1-99?

Fred'll play Harmison tho...cause he's his bessy mate :rolleyes:

ok, whinge over.
 
GiggsysGirl said:
i'm not back...technically.

i don't understand this 'panel' malarkey. Fletcher keeps reminding everyone that Vaughn is still technically captain and then says Fred gets the final say :confused: Fred shouldn't get the final say about anything! don't get me wrong, i love the man to pieces, but i'm still not convinced he's up to this.

i said it before Adelaide and i'll say it again...Giles, Harmison out! Panesar, Mahmood in!

bet you any money it's Anderson who gets the chop tho :rolleyes: despite his way more ancouraging 3-53 than Harmison's what? 1-99?

Fred'll play Harmison tho...cause he's his bessy mate :rolleyes:

ok, whinge over.

Have to agree. If you're going to bother with selectors, let them select. Ask the captain about form, morale etc. but make a decision so that you're accountable. Then let the captain do everything on the field. Any mix up of the roles is crap.

Surely Monty has to come in now, at least.