Films, happy or sad endings?

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According to one if the producers of Return of the Jedi, the original plan was for Han Solo to die and Luke to be unhappy and alone. He said commercial pressures made Lucas change it (article form the Guardian in spoiler tag). What does anyone think. Happy or sad ending? Or does it not really effect your enjoyment of a film?

The final scenes of Return Of The Jedi are imprinted on the consciousness of millions of Star Wars fans. After bidding farewell to his dead father in an emotional cremation sequence, Luke Skywalker rushes off to an Ewok party, where everybody hugs and dances and some Ewoks play the bongos. The end.

But it could have all been so different. Speaking before this weekend's Star Wars Celebration V conference in Florida, producer Gary Kurtz has revealed that if it wasn't for the wild popularity of Star Wars merchandise, Return Of The Jedi would have had a much bleaker ending. "The original idea was that they would recover Han Solo in the early part of the story and that he would then die in the middle part of the film in a raid on an Imperial base," Kurtz told the LA Times.


"George then decided he didn't want any of the principals killed. By that time there were really big toy sales and that was a reason." What's more, the film would have shown Princess Leia struggling to cope with her new-found responsibilities, and would have ended with Luke Skywalker walking off into the distance as an embittered, Clint Eastwood-style loner.


In the end, though, George Lucas opted for the happy Ewok bongo version. Maybe he was right to avoid such a depressing conclusion – for all anyone knows, Star Wars might not have become the fiercely beloved series that it is today by ending on such an outright bummer. Then again, maybe he was wrong. After all, The Empire Strikes Back is widely regarded as the best Star Wars film, and the fact that it ended in the most downbeat fashion imaginable can't be a coincidence. Maybe wrapping up the whole trilogy in a blanket of death and misery would have further enhanced the franchise.


It's certainly braver to risk alienating your audience with a bleak ending, but it's a risk that pays off time and time again. Hilary Swank probably wouldn't have won that Oscar if her character in Million Dollar Baby fully recovered in the final scene. David Fincher would currently be out of work if, during the final scene of Seven, Brad Pitt opened the box to discover a fresh batch of delicious fairy cakes that Kevin Spacey had baked for him by way of an apology. Don't Look Now would have been a gigantic flop if Donald Sutherland, having run himself ragged across Venice looking for his daughter, had caught up with the stabby dwarf, shouted "Kiss me, you fool", and taken her on a lovely all-expenses trip around the Mediterranean.


Then again, not every film should have a sad ending. Imagine if Field Of Dreams ended with Kevin Costner sitting in an empty baseball field for a week, realising that nobody was actually going to turn up, and killing himself. Or if Tim Robbins got stuck in the sewage pipe during his escape from Shawshank and ended up suffocating in human effluent. Or if Sleepless in Seattle ended with Meg Ryan being graphically mauled to death by an escaped tiger.


The mythical glum finale of Return of The Jedi will have to remain a subject for countless pub conversations and nothing else. But what do you think? Did you like how it ended, or would you have enjoyed a few more flies in the ointment? Also, in general, happy endings v sad endings: which are better? Your thoughts below please.
 
Someone was talking about Open Water in the pub last night and expressing some surprise at the bleak ending (I was actually rooting for the sharks from 30 minutes in).
 
The Green Mile is one of my favourite films and it's the only film to date that's managed to put a lump in my throat at the end. :nervous:

For me it doesn't matter whether the film has a happy or sad ending, except in the context of how it relates to the body of the story. I find these days that a lot of films with happy endings seem forced. Like the writers have decided that the film needs a happy ending and have tried to shoehorn some silly sub plots into it to make that possible.

Quite often a sad ending can be more profound or controversial and generates more hype anyway.
 
Even though it's cheesy I prefer a happy ending.

I still can't decide if the ending for Law Obiding Citizen was happy or sad. I wanted him to win.
 
Even though it's cheesy I prefer a happy ending.

I still can't decide if the ending for Law Obiding Citizen was happy or sad. I wanted him to win.

Same here. And I guess that leads back to the profound or controversial endings though. Films that that will have viewers who wanted him to lose and viewers who wanted him to win. This creates a lot of discussion after people have watched it and leads to even more people watching it through word of mouth.
 
Sad endings leave a longer lasting impact on you, obviously because everyone expects a happy ending. So in some cases a sad ending to a film is a good idea on the producer's part.
 
It depends on the context of the film. The studio mandated happy ending for Brazil was naff, the proper ending adds to the quality of the film.
 
Some of the best sports movies I've watched (don't want to name any examples due to spoiling movies) are the ones where I'm left baffled in the end when they lose the final game of the season, but have still made an incredible accomplishment, because it goes against the Mighty Ducks and Rocky template consisting of getting battered in the beginning, rising above it and winning in the end, against all odds.
 
Some of the best sports movies I've watched are the ones where I'm leaved baffled in the end when they lose the final game of the season, but have still made an incredible accomplishment, because it goes against the Mighty Ducks and Rocky template consisting of getting battered in the beginning, rising above it and winning in the end, against all odds.

Someone needs to rewatch Rocky.
 
Sad endings have a much greater impact. There has to be some cost to the protagonist or it's like a fairy story, unless the protagonist is one you get seriously emotionally invested in, and the writing is extremely engrossing and convincing.
 
Some of the best sports movies I've watched (don't want to name any examples due to spoiling movies) are the ones where I'm left baffled in the end when they lose the final game of the season, but have still made an incredible accomplishment, because it goes against the Mighty Ducks and Rocky template consisting of getting battered in the beginning, rising above it and winning in the end, against all odds.

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I don't remember Rocky winning
 
There's a difference between a sad and tragic ending. Luke walking off into the sunset would have been sad but also an enjoyable way to go. Unlike in say, modern Asian films where it feels like every main character is destined to die by the end of the film.
 
:confused:

I don't remember Rocky winning
I'm talking about like in Rocky IV where Ivan Drago beats the hell out of him at first before they start exchanging blows and then Rocky comes out on top in the end. The same Ivan Drago who killed Apollo Creed during a fight

But yeah, admittedly a poor example, but the point still stands with the Mighty Ducks

And the fact that the fight in Rocky (I) ended as a draw may be one of the reasons that the first one is the most highly rated (going by IMDB scores), further proving my point about unexpected endings being more appreciated (even if the draw turned out to be the making of a happy endind).
 
The Departed spoiler:

I probably appreciated The Departed more because the main protagonist, Decaprio was killed very close to the end, giving the film a much more realistic feel to it. It wasn't meant to be a happy story, just a fecking good one. It succeeded.
 
I like the Departed but I thought that the ending was crap, it should have been much better than what it was, slightly ruined it for me.
 
Harrison Ford kept asking Lucas to kill off his character - he felt it would be a small loss seeing as Han didn't have any family or that many friends. It was because he never really bought into the whole Star Wars thing (which is ironic because his character was fecking awesome, although I suppose the same could be said of both Ian McDamind and Alex Guiness),
 
I think it would have been a bit pointless to kill Han in Jedi when the first third of the film is spent rescuing him. Lando would have made more sense.
 
I like the Departed but I thought that the ending was crap, it should have been much better than what it was, slightly ruined it for me.

Then you should have watched Infernal Affairs - which is the original film The Departed mimicked.
 
Then you should have watched Infernal Affairs - which is the original film The Departed mimicked.

Is it a different ending? Thanks for telling me because I honestly didn't know that, might take a look at it tonight.
 
I mostly prefer happy endings, but I understand sometimes the way a movie takes course, that a sad ending is probably the best way to end the movie.

Like for example, I watched a movie called Boy A last night and it was brilliant. The ending was sad, but I knew it was probably the only way to end the movie.