Fergie to build 4th team without Keane?

HugeMan

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I think a clearout would be very exciting.
I really feel that our dependence on Keane is alarming. He is fed up. Now is the time to try and get Viera (or equivalent) and let Keane retire to Celtic for a couple of years. I would also ship Beckham, Ole, and the Nevs to bring in some cash. I would keep Veron - sounds odd but he has given us something extra in Europe and still has time to adjust to the Premiership - he is the sort of player others want to play alongside.
Juventus and some of the other Italian teams had a policy of having a mini clear-out, buying new forwards etc every couple of years even when they were winning. This stopped the side going stale; players who were kept on had new team-mates to work with etc... We need a fresh start.
 
what a first post.. you'll get slaughtered for saying you want to rid us of Keane by all the keane lovers in here.

i do agree about a fresh start, but like i said in another thread, we need to give time for players to come back from injury and try a few more tactics (reverting back to tactics where we utilize the wings more is a definite possibility)

keane is still the engine though. i think keeping him with us for 2-3 more years will not hurt us. he looks practically like the only one still with desire to take the EPL and the CL by storm.
 
Originally posted by RUnited:
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keane is still the engine though. i think keeping him with us for 2-3 more years will not hurt us. he looks practically like the only one still with desire to take the EPL and the CL by storm.</strong><hr></blockquote>

nah, he'll get sent off too often to be any use to you nowadays. . .
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RUnited - you're right about the wings but Beckham is a bit slow and he's the one player we'll get a fortune for. Keane has never really let us down and I'll be sad to see him go but I think he's showing serious signs of chucking it in and his presence is so strong that when he's not playing we look like half a team. He's older and likely to get more and more injuries and while he's there we'll never really have a fresh start - it will still be the Keane era.
 
Originally posted by HugeMan:
<strong>RUnited - you're right about the wings but Beckham is a bit slow and he's the one player we'll get a fortune for. Keane has never really let us down and I'll be sad to see him go but I think he's showing serious signs of chucking it in and his presence is so strong that when he's not playing we look like half a team. He's older and likely to get more and more injuries and while he's there we'll never really have a fresh start - it will still be the Keane era.</strong><hr></blockquote>

we need keane to pass on this drive. no one else in the team atm has the ability to teach the new incoming players how to be winners. either way we'll still need him to show the winning ways and how to play like winners. i wouldn't mind seeing him retire here and then become a coach. his motivation alone will get us places.
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Originally posted by michael owen's mum:
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nah, he'll get sent off too often to be any use to you nowadays. . .</strong><hr></blockquote>

his will to win alone is more than the whole of the scoushit's team combined. even when he's out injured he can still put motivation into the team. and when he retires, i do hope he becomes a coach. he'll continue to be our edge against you lot - injured or not injured, banned or not banned.
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The only other person who could leave and create the feeling of a new era is...?
 
Originally posted by HugeMan:
<strong>The only other person who could leave and create the feeling of a new era is...?</strong><hr></blockquote>

hate to say it, but it'll probably be SAF himself. but then this may not be needed. like he said, he's built a new team 3 times. why not again? he started with robson, came to ince, to cantona and keane.. maybe you'll be right about keane leaving.. but atm there's really no one else out there who can replace him. we've never been without a winner in CM. since robbo, ince, keane.. there's no obvious replacement right now. i don't think butt will be enough.
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Originally posted by RUnited:
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his will to win alone is more than the whole of the scoushit's team combined. even when he's out injured he can still put motivation into the team. and when he retires, i do hope he becomes a coach. he'll continue to be our edge against you lot - injured or not injured, banned or not banned.</strong><hr></blockquote>


what utter drivel.

great as he's been throughout his career, and you'll notice i do acknowledge just how good he's been as opposed to automatically slagging him for playing for you lot, he's now lost the plot. his head's gone, he is so easy to wind up that it's frightening, and when he returns for you lot in the new year, every opponent will spend the game calling keane a prick. and he will snap. he's become a liability who criticises his team-mates, his club's fans, in fact anyone but himself.

and sooner or later you manc fans are going to have to come to terms with the fact that he's past his best.
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Originally posted by RUnited:
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hate to say it, but it'll probably be SAF himself. but then this may not be needed. like he said, he's built a new team 3 times. why not again? he started with robson, came to ince, to cantona and keane.. maybe you'll be right about keane leaving.. but atm there's really no one else out there who can replace him. we've never been without a winner in CM. since robbo, ince, keane.. there's no obvious replacement right now. i don't think butt will be enough.</strong><hr></blockquote>
conceded - as long as Keane maintains everything he always stood for, we'll be alright.
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Originally posted by HugeMan:
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conceded - as long as Keane maintains everything he always stood for, we'll be alright.</strong><hr></blockquote>

hahaha.. you had to give in.. there wasn't really any other choice.

i'll probably have this conversation with you again should keane come back a mad man and not improve his off the field antics.. <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />
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I think a clearout would definatly be the way to go for our beloved United....The problem with Keano is that he is becoming to important for Utd, like Robbo was.....there was a period where if Bryan Robson did not play, we lost, or played like shite. And i think it similar with Keano.

Other players that should be allowed to leave:

Silvestre, P.Neville, Butt, GIGGS(clearly not enjoying himself at utd), and beckham( jumps three feet in the air each time somone comes near him)

Players in:
Cisse, Djorkaeff, J.Cole, Jason Roberts and Basturk
 
Originally posted by michael owen's mum:
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what utter drivel.

great as he's been throughout his career, and you'll notice i do acknowledge just how good he's been as opposed to automatically slagging him for playing for you lot, he's now lost the plot. his head's gone, he is so easy to wind up that it's frightening, and when he returns for you lot in the new year, every opponent will spend the game calling keane a prick. and he will snap. he's become a liability who criticises his team-mates, his club's fans, in fact anyone but himself.

and sooner or later you manc fans are going to have to come to terms with the fact that he's past his best.</strong><hr></blockquote>

he almost called it a day last season after the red card he got. he does blame himself. he gets even more pissed off when his words are not taking effect on the team.. he's a true winner.

i take your point on the oppositions winding him up though. i do hope he comes back more composed and will channel his energy to just win the game and not kill oppositions - although i wouldn't mind him having a go at any of you lot who love to fake injuries!

he will be scary if he can return more focused. this you have to admit.

but it remains to be seen and is now way too soon to jump to any conclusions.
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Originally posted by Redlife2:
<strong>I think a clearout would definatly be the way to go for our beloved United....The problem with Keano is that he is becoming to important for Utd, like Robbo was.....there was a period where if Bryan Robson did not play, we lost, or played like shite. And i think it similar with Keano.
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but keano is not past it. robbo was getting very old.. as long as we have the services of keano we should keep him playing for us. why not build a new team with his guidance rather than let him go and struggle fully to the point where we could finish off the top 2 again?

with keane around SAF will have time to slowly make changes.. without keane things could get out of hands.
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Christ on a fecking bike
"I think a clearout would be very exciting. "
go clear out your garage then our kid.
roy keane is our captain and leader, he's not a shakin' stevens record, buster :eek:
 
"Silvestre, P.Neville, Butt, GIGGS(clearly not enjoying himself at utd), and beckham( jumps three feet in the air each time somone comes near him)

Players in:
Cisse, Djorkaeff, J.Cole, Jason Roberts and Basturk "

Could argue very long about this nonsense, but just one point: If you really think that a 35 year old former french international ( Djorkaeff)who was sold from Inter Milan three years ago to an average german team because he wasn`t good enough for a top team anymore, is the right one to build a new team
then <img src="graemlins/houllier.gif" border="0" alt="[Houllier]" /> <img src="graemlins/houllier.gif" border="0" alt="[Houllier]" /> <img src="graemlins/houllier.gif" border="0" alt="[Houllier]" /> .
 
Originally posted by LenSharkey:
<strong>Christ on a fecking bike
"I think a clearout would be very exciting. "
go clear out your garage then our kid.
roy keane is our captain and leader, he's not a shakin' stevens record, buster :eek: </strong><hr></blockquote>

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Rebuilding ManUtd

Before sacking the entire team, the manager and all the staff (I don’t agree with that) we need to see where things are going wrong by STUDYING one by one every sector we have.

Mentality: First thing that needs to be changed (or better restore it to the old good times). No one is Bigger than the club (MIND YOU KEANO) and no one is indispensable to the club. Players who are constantly putting the club into trouble should be punished and in extreme cases sold (we have lost Ince so we can afford losing another nutter)
The other one is more complicated. The only way to motivate a multi millionaire player is to attack him on his ego and the only way to do it is to bring in good talent that DO NOT COVER but COMPETE for a first team place.
This will give regain us the motivation, the strength of depth and the unpredictability needed.

Formation: Manutd’s natural formation is the 4-4-2 and the past glories show that. If we don’t have the players cut for that formation than bring those players (see mentality). The 4-4-1-1 was brought in to cover certain ppl arses
(A weak defense and a lazy midfield), this SHOULD NOT BE TOLERATED.

The Pre Season Teamtalk. No matter how good and committed a player is Manutd should have a decent competitor for his place. No player should keep the club in ransom. Another issue is that PLAYERS SHOULD NOT PLAY OUT OF POSITIONS, it’s damaging the club performances and the player’s form. Competition for a place is a must and no one should have a first team place in the team.

Youths Youngsters should be promoted, but in the right time at the right moment. Currently I see only three players capable to play first team play (Webber, O Shea and Djordic) the rest should be loaned to gain more experience

Dead wood Manutd cannot afford to have decent covers but competitors. Those players (Local AND foreigners) who do not perform week in week out should be off loaded. These players may be called to play in crunchy games and a mistake could cost Manutd dear. Dead wood does not offer competition and close the gaps to new talent ( Foreign and LOCAL) to succeed at OT.

TACTICS. Communication and commitment should be VITAL at OT. Targets should be met. If a keeper cannot lead a defense or a midfielder cannot tackle than he is NOT MANUTD’S LEVEL.

My team should be like this

Rustu, Ricardo, Caroll, Steele (loaned)

In Rustu (free)
out Barthez (5m)

Oshea, G Neville
Ayala W Brown
Ferdinand Silvestre
Kaladze, Escude, Tierney ( Loaned)

IN Ayala swp/dc (free) Kaladze D LC DM C (10m) Escude DLC (5M)
Out P NEV ( 6m ) Blanc and May (free)

Beckham, Castroman
Keane Butt , Stewart (Loaned)
Scholes Sas, Timm (loaned)
Giggs Djordic Fortune Richardson (loaned)

In Castroman WB LR , AM L R C(part of Stam’s deal), Sas AM FC ( free)
Out Veron ( 23M) Chadwick (3m)

Ronaldinho, Forlan , Webber
RVN, OGS,

The 1st team setup will remain nearly intact but the defense will be stronger and the attack more creative.
What I have strenghtened is the strength in depth which will make Manutd and NOT the players on the drivers seat.
 
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what utter drivel.

great as he's been throughout his career, and you'll notice i do acknowledge just how good he's been as opposed to automatically slagging him for playing for you lot, he's now lost the plot. his head's gone, he is so easy to wind up that it's frightening, and when he returns for you lot in the new year, every opponent will spend the game calling keane a prick. and he will snap. he's become a liability who criticises his team-mates, his club's fans, in fact anyone but himself.

and sooner or later you manc fans are going to have to come to terms with the fact that he's past his best.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Just as was said about Eric after his kung fu kick but what was the first thing he did after coming back........sort you lot out.
Your words are hasty indeed especially with Steven Gerard in the special needs unit.


;)
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Originally posted by sin65:
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Your words are hasty indeed especially with Steven Gerard in the special needs unit.


;) </strong><hr></blockquote>

his teacher said he belonged in special needs, coz he has, special needs.
like a slap, for instance ;)
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Originally posted by sin65:
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Just as was said about Eric after his kung fu kick but what was the first thing he did after coming back........sort you lot out.
Your words are hasty indeed especially with Steven Gerard in the special needs unit.


;) </strong><hr></blockquote>


oh gerrard's got plenty of time on his side.

keane however is plummeting downhill fast.

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United without Keane is something that I have contemplated a lot lately. Its not going to happen for another few years yet.........

1. He is the only true leader we have in the squad
2. United are sticking with him through his current injury to get the best out of him for a few more years
3. Fergie's comment during the week about 'You don't have to be a gentelman to be a winner' in relation to Keane indicates that Fergie see Keane's nasty side as central to our revival
4. There is no other player in the world game that is capable of taking over the Keane role
5. Fergie wants the players to hurt when they are down as much as the fans hurt. Keane does that.
6. He is only 31! He can play as a defensive midfielder well into his 30s. Its not like a winger or striker.
7. There's only one Keano.
 
Best fecking midfielder in the world,losing it,going down hill??Football illiterate donkey man,you are the one whos losing it ,slick <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />
 
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