Fergie on Butt. (Keano?)
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Guess I'm just paranoid, with it being D-Day n'all 
Keano is going nowhere, if anywhere into the back four!
Hopefully when diddly squat jack shit happens tomorrow, these conspiracy theories about Keane leaving, Ronaldo coming, O'leary taking over, Fergie retiring, Ruud disappearing, Giggs departing, Butt going, Barthez quitting, etc, etc, etc.... will bite the dust.
What else was Fergie supposed to say? "Nah, Butt's second string, he'll be a waste of space for us this season, to be honest. I don't know why he stays around"????
Face it everyone: none of the major players will be leaving this season. Sadly, even Veron seems to be staying (not that he's in the major class). And no, of course we won't be getting a big signing like Ronaldo. Gallas? -- maybe... Duff? -- maybe, but unlikely. Thuram? Possibly.
But Nesta? Rio? Ronaldo? Yeah right.
What else was Fergie supposed to say? "Nah, Butt's second string, he'll be a waste of space for us this season, to be honest. I don't know why he stays around"????
Face it everyone: none of the major players will be leaving this season. Sadly, even Veron seems to be staying (not that he's in the major class). And no, of course we won't be getting a big signing like Ronaldo. Gallas? -- maybe... Duff? -- maybe, but unlikely. Thuram? Possibly.
But Nesta? Rio? Ronaldo? Yeah right.
mancred was almost wanking at the prospect of the Verón signing a year ago!
Now Nesta, Ferdinand, etc. our out of our reach? <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />
Now Nesta, Ferdinand, etc. our out of our reach? <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />
"We could have done with eleven Roy Keanes out there tonight" - Sir Alex Ferguson, Leverkusen, April 30, 2002
So what has changed bylthy? You hardly think SAF has lost his faith in Keano because Mick the prick McCarthy started acting bollox? Keano's going nowhere.
So what has changed bylthy? You hardly think SAF has lost his faith in Keano because Mick the prick McCarthy started acting bollox? Keano's going nowhere.
It is a big IF. What personal problems? As far as I can tell the ony personal problems Roy Keane had were his relationship with Mick McCarthy.
Spot on mancred. You're talking sense for once
Blythy mate, give it a rest will you. Nothing is going to happen and you've all been led a merry dance by some nobcheeses. Simple as that innit?
Blythy mate, give it a rest will you. Nothing is going to happen and you've all been led a merry dance by some nobcheeses. Simple as that innit?
ahh, bless you TTR.....am tired, jedi master, very tired with all those slagging off Veron....deserve this he does not, hmmmm....have faith in him jedi.....the force is strong in Veron.....la brujita'll rock this coming season <img src="graemlins/devil.gif" border="0" alt="[Devil]" /> <img src="graemlins/devil.gif" border="0" alt="[Devil]" />
Originally posted by Rory 7:
<strong>It is a big IF. What personal problems? As far as I can tell the ony personal problems Roy Keane had were his relationship with Mick McCarthy.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Hey, <img src="graemlins/nono.gif" border="0" alt="[No No]" />
Keane told McCarthy that he wanted to go home was for "personal reasons". McCarthy asked him: "is it me? is the other lads? is the hotel?" Keane replied: "no, it's personal". No blame to McCarthy for saying that to the press.
As Keane admitted himself in the Tommy Gorman interview: "how was I supposed to say to him: the preparations are crap, there's no gear, the flight was too long etc?".
The hypocrisy of this is breathtaking considering what he said later to McCarthy.
Don't get me wrong, I'm a huge keano fan, but he let us (I was a fan out in J&K) down badly when we needed him most. He's the one who should (if he had the sense or humility) regret his actions now.
McCarthy sent Keane home.
The FAI then fecked up with their premature press-release.
And its all Keanes fault..... <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />
But hey I suppose you were one of the "Oirish Fans" chanting "Are you watching Roy Keane"
McCarthys a muppet and the FAI have just confirmed what bunch of feckups they are with the sky tv fiasco........
The FAI then fecked up with their premature press-release.
And its all Keanes fault..... <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />
But hey I suppose you were one of the "Oirish Fans" chanting "Are you watching Roy Keane"
McCarthys a muppet and the FAI have just confirmed what bunch of feckups they are with the sky tv fiasco........
Darn tootin Seanoc
I like this Red_For_Life bloke, he talks sense! <img src="graemlins/devil.gif" border="0" alt="[Devil]" />
I second that....and he is the same bloke some guy from Ozland, Perth called dumb...
Keano has MY support !
The situation where McCarthy questions Keanes loyalty infront of the entire squad, should have never happened. I mean c'mon, question Keanes loyalty, the only reason we were out there was because of Keanes efforts.
This is at the crux of the matter. Mick intimated that Roy missed friendlies and the match in Iran when he wasn't injured and it was claimed (probably on his behalf) that he was.
This is far more than a grain of truth in this. The same way Giggsie didn't play a friendly for Wales for 10 yrs, Roy (and Man Utd) felt he was above it. So he didn't play them. Fair enough. For the Iran game he said: "We were 2-0 up, and I didn't see us losing it over there." So he didn't turn up, but he did turn out for Utd on the Saturday. You could argue that he'd done his bit for Ireland before that, but he did pull out of the squad when he clearly could have played on the Wednesday if reqd. So McCarthy wasn't talking utter bollox, he was highlighting what everyone knew but was too scared to say (to Keane). Deification of Keane had gotten to big, anyway.
Keane is where he is because of what he does on the pitch, he should have been left do that for us. McCarthy was there to manage, he failed , and badly.
McCarthy (and particularly the FAI) didn't do a good job, but it was always in Keane's hands to come back without apologising. Imagine the moral high ground he would have had! He'd have been the saviour from idiot Mick. But he was too f'n proud and too badly advised to see the wood from the trees...
It was McCarthy who let us down by sending home the player who got us there in the first place.
Left with no choice.
What gets to me is that the greatest footballer this island has ever produced didn't get his chance on the biggest stage, and there is something really really unjust about that.
That's something he'll have to live with. He had to choice to come back and chose not to.
I'm sure you had a nice holiday, just remember who to be thankful to for being able to go there and follow Ireland.
Ireland wasn't a one-man team as we saw at the WC. Roy is without doubt the best player ever to pull on a green jersey, but I still find it hard to feel anything but anger towards him as this was our one REAL chance of doing really well in the WC. I mean the final would not have been too optimistic if he had been there. If only he had the foresight to seize the moral high ground.
As a caveat, I would welcome him back next week at Shels if I were in Dublin. Btw, I and many others who were bitterly disappointed with him would never give him the bird or anything to that effect.
This is at the crux of the matter. Mick intimated that Roy missed friendlies and the match in Iran when he wasn't injured and it was claimed (probably on his behalf) that he was.
This is far more than a grain of truth in this. The same way Giggsie didn't play a friendly for Wales for 10 yrs, Roy (and Man Utd) felt he was above it. So he didn't play them. Fair enough. For the Iran game he said: "We were 2-0 up, and I didn't see us losing it over there." So he didn't turn up, but he did turn out for Utd on the Saturday. You could argue that he'd done his bit for Ireland before that, but he did pull out of the squad when he clearly could have played on the Wednesday if reqd. So McCarthy wasn't talking utter bollox, he was highlighting what everyone knew but was too scared to say (to Keane). Deification of Keane had gotten to big, anyway.
Keane is where he is because of what he does on the pitch, he should have been left do that for us. McCarthy was there to manage, he failed , and badly.
McCarthy (and particularly the FAI) didn't do a good job, but it was always in Keane's hands to come back without apologising. Imagine the moral high ground he would have had! He'd have been the saviour from idiot Mick. But he was too f'n proud and too badly advised to see the wood from the trees...
It was McCarthy who let us down by sending home the player who got us there in the first place.
Left with no choice.
What gets to me is that the greatest footballer this island has ever produced didn't get his chance on the biggest stage, and there is something really really unjust about that.
That's something he'll have to live with. He had to choice to come back and chose not to.
I'm sure you had a nice holiday, just remember who to be thankful to for being able to go there and follow Ireland.
Ireland wasn't a one-man team as we saw at the WC. Roy is without doubt the best player ever to pull on a green jersey, but I still find it hard to feel anything but anger towards him as this was our one REAL chance of doing really well in the WC. I mean the final would not have been too optimistic if he had been there. If only he had the foresight to seize the moral high ground.
As a caveat, I would welcome him back next week at Shels if I were in Dublin. Btw, I and many others who were bitterly disappointed with him would never give him the bird or anything to that effect.
Regards the Irish team going out after matches (which was true). This was a good thing, IMO. The teams that started training early and hard for the WC (Argentina & France spring to mind) didn't do too well. Those who spent a little time relaxing beforehand (Ireland & England), benefited from it. Similarly, Rudy sent the Germans out on a bender after the Paraguay game. He learnt that from McCarthy, who let them out after the Germany game, as well as the Saudi game. The team spirit was fantastic in the Irish camp. I can't see Roy the manager having the same inter-personal skills to create that kind of phenomenal unity in a squad. The team will always be more important than any individual, even Keano.
Let's get this straight once and for all. Roy Keane is absolutely vital to this side. Apart from may be Ruud he is our only really consistent performer over a season, the captain and an inspiration to everyone else. Look at the stats - we lose more games with him out of the side. Yes Nicky had a good world cup but he's not Roy Keane and is unlikely to be in the future either. Unless Roy wants to leave for whatever reason, Fergie would not dream of selling him. Where and how best to play Veron and Scholes. Now that's the real problem.
I thought Veron played quite well last season- he's got such a good engine on him, don't you think? <img src="graemlins/smirk.gif" border="0" alt="[Smirk]" />