Fellaini Vs McTominay

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Is McTominay the new Fellaini? A nuisance in the opposition box, a bit of extra height at the back when you need it?

Who was the better player? I feel like Fellaini was far more useful in the build up (chest control was ridiculously good), but maybe McTominays potentially a better goalscorer looking at his Scotland exploits?
 
Fellaini could fall off the roof of a building, land on his head and his Afro would protect his fall.

McTominey would not be so lucky.
 
Just going by other games, rarely is he a set-piece/corner threat.

Sure he's scored a couple goals in advanced positions but I'm unconvinced he can do it for a run of games, would be happy to be proven wrong.
 
Just going by other games, rarely is he a set-piece/corner threat.

Sure he's scored a couple goals in advanced positions but I'm unconvinced he can do it for a run of games, would be happy to be proven wrong.

Tbf, I don't think Fellaini scored too many from set pieces too. It's just the chaos he caused by being there which added to the threat.
 
Both of them are poor 'central midfielders'. They don't do the basics of what you want players in that position to be doing, which ultimately boils down to getting control of the game and helping the team function. Whether it's what they do on the ball or off the ball, that control is the ultimate goal.

What Fellaini was generally very good at is when we gave him a more specific role to play, and that could be either defensive or offensive roles. There were times (especially in 15/16) we played him as a very deep DM, almost a third centre back, and he did that very well. From memory at other times we used him to pretty much man-mark an opposition player out of the match and he'd do that well. Then there were other times we used him at the other end of the pitch to cause havoc around the opposition penalty box and create space for out other attackers. If we'd used him as a squad player to fill those roles when needed I firmly believe he would have been a huge fan favourite and a great weapon to have in the squad. Instead, he spent most of his time here being played as just a run-of-the-mill central midfielder, something he was always poor at. The issue was that we kept using him there since our other options at the time were probably even worse.

McTominay is potentially quite similar. I'm tempted to say he's a little better at the general central midfield role, but not as good at the specific roles. Certainly not defensively anyway; he's potentially a weapon in the attacking areas. I won't really believe it until he does it consistently though, as he's regularly had the odd good match in the past but the bad always outweighs it significantly.

Seeing as neither of them should be playing central midfield for us, and Fellaini is better at those targeted roles, overall Fellaini is/was better.
 
Mctominay's dribbling, passing, tackling and long-distance shooting aren't great but still better than Fellaini's. Fellaini's only use was chest control and heading. If he wasn't tall he'd never have made it at a Premier League club.
 
McT is the better player.

Fellaini had the benefit of developing his game in low pressure environments and playing for teams that played to his strengths. McT has been shoehorned in at United. He’s not a DM, and AM wise he will always have better players ahead of him at a club like United.

Put McT in an advanced mid role for the likes of West Ham and he’d be hitting 10 goals every season while doing a tidy midfield job. Newcastle aren’t stupid for wanting him.
 
Both of them are poor 'central midfielders'. They don't do the basics of what you want players in that position to be doing, which ultimately boils down to getting control of the game and helping the team function. Whether it's what they do on the ball or off the ball, that control is the ultimate goal.

What Fellaini was generally very good at is when we gave him a more specific role to play, and that could be either defensive or offensive roles. There were times (especially in 15/16) we played him as a very deep DM, almost a third centre back, and he did that very well. From memory at other times we used him to pretty much man-mark an opposition player out of the match and he'd do that well. Then there were other times we used him at the other end of the pitch to cause havoc around the opposition penalty box and create space for out other attackers. If we'd used him as a squad player to fill those roles when needed I firmly believe he would have been a huge fan favourite and a great weapon to have in the squad. Instead, he spent most of his time here being played as just a run-of-the-mill central midfielder, something he was always poor at. The issue was that we kept using him there since our other options at the time were probably even worse.

McTominay is potentially quite similar. I'm tempted to say he's a little better at the general central midfield role, but not as good at the specific roles. Certainly not defensively anyway; he's potentially a weapon in the attacking areas. I won't really believe it until he does it consistently though, as he's regularly had the odd good match in the past but the bad always outweighs it significantly.

Seeing as neither of them should be playing central midfield for us, and Fellaini is better at those targeted roles, overall Fellaini is/was better.

Pretty much sums it up.

Fellaini was more of a handful and I kind of have a soft spot for him. It wasn't pretty but he was a very useful plan B option, defenders found him really hard to deal with
 
Mctominay's dribbling, passing, tackling and long-distance shooting aren't great but still better than Fellaini's. Fellaini's only use was chest control and heading. If he wasn't tall he'd never have made it at a Premier League club.

I'd argue Fellaini's passing and tackling where a lot better than McTominay's. Dribbling and shooting, I'll give you that.
 
Didn't McTominay play as a striker in his youth? I think it shows when he's in advanced positions.
 
Anyone got a link to Fellaini's goal against West Brom? Cross comes over, chests it down, turns and literally hammers it into the net - what a goal!
 
Fellaini was the better for me, slightly underrated imo. Perhaps because he looked akward with those long legs.

But i like them both, they are very average players all in all but i get the feeling both are/were very proud to wear the shirt.
 
Pretty much sums it up.

Fellaini was more of a handful and I kind of have a soft spot for him. It wasn't pretty but he was a very useful plan B option, defenders found him really hard to deal with

Was immense in that juanfield game as well. Completely nullified Liverpool's press almost singlehandedly
 
Both ironically are probably best competing for Bruno’s role in a team that plays direct long balls. That second striker/AM role Fellaini terrified us in. Lob balls in the box and we have some good headers these days - Hojlund, Case, McT would be hard to stop.
 
I get the impression opposing teams hated playing against Fellaini, whereas playing against McTominay is probably quite straightforward.
 
Couldn't stand Fellaini to be honest with you, all elbows & nowt else, wasn't he?

Everybody seems to love him because he scored a goal in UEL SF.
 
Excellent comparison. They are both best as either second-strikers or as the most advanced of a midfield 3.
 
Couldn't stand Fellaini to be honest with you, all elbows & nowt else, wasn't he?

Everybody seems to love him because he scored a goal in UEL SF.
Agreed. He developed a weird cult following amongst some sections of the United fanbase because he was a bit old school and would celebrate passionately. I hated the fact that we would go long just to play to his strengths, especially when we had a lot of technically gifted players on the pitch who's strengths weren't being utilised.
 
Unfortunately, especially for McTominay but also the rest of us, Fellaini was a better, more rounded player. His chest control was arguably the best in the world. His close control was better than McTominay's, not to say it was great, and Feallaini was much more of a physical threat than McTominay. He also worked harder, and although McTominay may be a little faster, neither is/was quick enough. McTominay is better at long range passing, but both were poor at short passing and making themselves available for the ball - McTominay is the greatest Houdini in modern football.

The sad matter of fact is that McTominay is being compared to Fellaini, and even worse that it's not in McTominay's favour. Fellaini wasn't good enough for United, nor is McTominay.
 
Fellaini was extremely good in the air.
I remembered he was good for Everton in that supporting striker role behind the nr.9/CF.

Fellaini has the fearless and craziness mentality = top guts

Scott has top guts mentality too. The ability and willing to reach the ball first.

On the ground. It has been so long since i saw Fellaini. So i am not sure who is better.


But on the air. Clearly Fellaini > McTom

Fellaini just like Duncan Ferguson. Hang up in the air, at the highest point for few seconds....and bang it.
 
Fellaini was better if you accepted you were a shite football team and based your whole tactics around Fellaini. He was also better at trying to get sent off.

Otherwise its McTominay.
 
Fellaini was better if you accepted you were a shite football team and based your whole tactics around Fellaini. He was also better at trying to get sent off.

Otherwise its McTominay.

Well, at this stage we should accept that we're a shite football team. McTominay normally offers the square root of feck all, unless hiding from the ball is the be-all and end-all - then he is world class. If he wasn't an academy product, he wouldn't be near the squad. Fellaini was terrible, don't get me wrong - one of our worst, but at least he was great at something. McTominay terrible but average at something.
 
Remember when we used to compare Hargreaves to Carrick, or Tevez to Rooney ? Now it's Mctom vs Fellaini. Exciting times ffs. :lol:

Honestly McTominay at some point had bigger potential, but it means nothing now, as he stagnates with almost entire team. Fellaini surprised me at times, but it was just moments of brilliance, among flood of static averageness.
 
Remember when we used to compare Hargreaves to Carrick, or Tevez to Rooney ? Now it's Mctom vs Fellaini. Exciting times ffs. :lol:

Honestly McTominay at some point had bigger potential, but it means nothing now, as he stagnates with almost entire team. Fellaini surprised me at times, but it was just moments of brilliance, among flood of static averageness.

The Hargreaves to Carrick comparison is very interesting as I, amongst others I am sure, thought Hargreaves to be the much more exciting player. Ultimately though, it was Carrick who by far became the greatest player of the two - potential, might be anothe question. Tevez to Rooney, RVP to Rooney, Nani to Ronaldo, Nani to Valencia, Evra vs Irwin, Vidic vs Rio... yeah, there were some more interesting discussions in the past.
 
I thought of McT as a very bad version of Lampard. An attacking midfielder who can do some midfield stuff but mostly excels at timing runs towards the opponent their box and be an attacking threat.

Seeing this topic, Fellaini is a much better comparison. Comparing McT to Lampard is a big insult to Lampard but comparing to Fellaini makes sense. People here and everywhere used to think that Fellaini was a defensive midfielder but in reality he was at his best when near the opponent their box. Fellaini didnt have much creative passing and made stupid fouls. He also wasnt exactly good at controlling the ball with his feet (he was good at it with his chest). I think McT has those same characteristics. Played and seen as a defensive midfielder by many. Passes forward or creating chances arent really McT his thing. McT picks up yellow cards often because stupid fouls and sometimes his second touch is a tackle.

If you compare Fellaini to McT i think Fellaini has the edge. McT might be a little better on the ball and run better but if you want the player to do what they do best, (being near the opponent their box and cause issues for the opponent their defenders) i think Fellaini is better at that part. However both players, and how they play their role and the role they play, shouldnt be anywhere near a club that wants to dominate as a footballing side and challenge for a title.
 
The Hargreaves to Carrick comparison is very interesting as I, amongst others I am sure, thought Hargreaves to be the much more exciting player. Ultimately though, it was Carrick who by far became the greatest player of the two - potential, might be anothe question. Tevez to Rooney, RVP to Rooney, Nani to Ronaldo, Nani to Valencia, Evra vs Irwin, Vidic vs Rio... yeah, there were some more interesting discussions in the past.
Carrick was like fascinating tale of growing on everyone, with each season here. Hargreaves at the end felt bit like Ando. Let's sign these lads and go for CL trophy, here and now... and it worked.

Evra vs Irwin looks easy on surface, but could be tricky thing to discuss. Such different players in details, different mentality construct, different play style, different reactions on the pitch. One thing in common, both were used properly by manager to begin with.

Nani vs Valencia... loved both players, couldn't tell who was definitely better, as they mean a lot in the end for MUFC. That's my fundamental problem with Fellaini vs Mctom. I don't feckin care. One was great vs Leeds and one could head the ball better. My excitement is reduced to what Pool fans with a clue felt when they were signing Charlie Adam.

I guess, at some bizarre point, McTominay could come on top, as he still about to hit prime years and actually show something more other than celebration of averageness post SAF era. Still not gonna delude myself, that he'll be something more than hero vs midtable.
 
It's surprising watching old clips how many big games were impacted by Fellaini. I'm not rewriting history like some people do with Phil Jones or Pogba, but i am saying he had his moments. Him and Hererra were easily our best players in the Europa League final, his contribution to the equalizer in the FA cup final, played well and scored in two of the three semi-mythical LVG games where we battered Spurs, Liverpool and City. Not a great signing overall though obviously.
 
Fellaini had so much grit, and fight. Scott has fight as well, but I don’t see it in a lot of games. A midfield of Amrabat, Fellaini and Casemiro (the one we saw last season) with Bruno on top of them and Rashford and Hojland on top would be so dangerous… this guy was something else. Hated on because he wasn’t Juan mata but never was meant to be. Prime Mourinho would have loved him at Inter.. maybe as a super sub but just wow, I loved watching him. When I played in midfield my role was similar, break up play, be an agressive force and close down the creative players.

but let’s be honest, the numbers would give us more insight into who was better at passing, tackling and scoring. But if it was me I would rather have Fellaini as an option as a manager
 
The Hargreaves to Carrick comparison is very interesting as I, amongst others I am sure, thought Hargreaves to be the much more exciting player. Ultimately though, it was Carrick who by far became the greatest player of the two - potential, might be anothe question. Tevez to Rooney, RVP to Rooney, Nani to Ronaldo, Nani to Valencia, Evra vs Irwin, Vidic vs Rio... yeah, there were some more interesting discussions in the past.

Rashford vs Martial being the most recent one :wenger:
 
I liked fellaini, always felt fans were harsh on him. Useful cheating for our own box too.
there was a time when him, Pogba and Shaw played some good stuff on the left
 
Well, at this stage we should accept that we're a shite football team. McTominay normally offers the square root of feck all, unless hiding from the ball is the be-all and end-all - then he is world class. If he wasn't an academy product, he wouldn't be near the squad. Fellaini was terrible, don't get me wrong - one of our worst, but at least he was great at something. McTominay terrible but average at something.

The problem with Fellaimi is what he was great at made the team terrible. I think you can put Mctominay in a good team and it would just be slightly less good. If you put Fellaini in a good team he's going to cause disruption because he can't play football, and as soon as the team is struggling they start lumping the ball to him.

I also think Mctominay gets a bit of harsh treatment on here. I don't think he's good enough, and he had that game at Burnley recently where it looked like he was a maniacal deflating balloon, but atm for example I'd start him ahead of Mount, because I think he'd contribute more in CM without leaving a big gaping hole in our team. Where as Fellaini would juat mean we spend 70 minutes of every game hoofing the ball to Fellaini so he could give it back to the other team.
 
It's surprising watching old clips how many big games were impacted by Fellaini. I'm not rewriting history like some people do with Phil Jones or Pogba, but i am saying he had his moments. Him and Hererra were easily our best players in the Europa League final, his contribution to the equalizer in the FA cup final, played well and scored in two of the three semi-mythical LVG games where we battered Spurs, Liverpool and City. Not a great signing overall though obviously.
You mean when he miscontrolled the ball with his chest and it happened fall at Mata's feet? People don't half overhype his impact. If we're being honest, playing to his strengths under Van Gaal and Mourinho is partly what held us back for a few years. Whilst all the other top teams were implementing a modern style of play, we were hoofing it long to Fellaini.
 
Fellaini had so much grit, and fight. Scott has fight as well, but I don’t see it in a lot of games. A midfield of Amrabat, Fellaini and Casemiro (the one we saw last season) with Bruno on top of them and Rashford and Hojland on top would be so dangerous… this guy was something else. Hated on because he wasn’t Juan mata but never was meant to be. Prime Mourinho would have loved him at Inter.. maybe as a super sub but just wow, I loved watching him. When I played in midfield my role was similar, break up play, be an agressive force and close down the creative players.

but let’s be honest, the numbers would give us more insight into who was better at passing, tackling and scoring. But if it was me I would rather have Fellaini as an option as a manager
Well Isnt that the contradiction? He isnt flying into crunching 50/50s, or in peoples faces every game. He jockeys and jogs around the peripheral of the game. He is over 6ft so people assume he is some grinder. Fellaini all day, which says it all for me