Federer - greatest ever?

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Saw the discussion on other threads and had a interesting argument with a friend of mine regarding it as well, so here is my go...

I have to say people are being too OTT with Federer.

I read a comment in the French open thread with how competition right now is tougher than it was for Sampras and Fed has just made them look shit. That's not true at all.

I personally ain't a bid fan of Sampras, infact I hate him considering I have been a fan of Agassi since 91. Stupidly, while playing hand tennis with my cousin, I asked him who the no.1 player was he said Aggasi and then I watched him win Wimbledon and started supporting him. Alas, he had a very bad spell after that but I enjoyed him watching during his end of the career with those grandslam wins and re-igniting rivalry with Sampras. Ahem enough of Agassi fan boy talk.

Sampras definitely played in a more competitive era. Let's see other than emergence of Nadal in last couple of years, Fed's closest rival was Roddick, who really isn't that good at all, a poor man's Goran. Then there is Hewitt, who is really a very poor poor man's Agassi. Someone like Safin have not lived up to their potential at all. Don't think it's down to Fed making them look poorer than they are, the level around him just isn't that good.

While Sampras dealt with much harder players. He had to deal with Becker, Edberg, Agassi and Courier early on in his career.While the likes of Martin, Ivanisevic were always around and players like Rafter had couple of really good spells. Frankly, don't really remember all the names now but generally I followed Tennis a lot during 99-05 and men's singles were a lot more competitive then.

Then the Fed vs Nadal thing. Firstly, Nadal is 5 years younger than Federer. At the moment Fed is better but it doesn't shows much. They are 8-4 on head to head with 2-2 on hard courts.

People talk about the 10 grandslam wins of Federer, bit ease of those 10 wins I think is testimony both to his greatness and lack of competitiveness. If Federer runs out with 20 slams or so, he would regarded as one of the greats but people will always point out he never had a great rival. There I think, emergence of Nadal might actually him achieve that status. If their rivalry continues and possibly he may not win as much grandslams he would have in absence of someone like Nadal but he IMO would truly attain the greatest status when he overcomes a couple of rivals like Nadal.
 
I was a fan of Agassi's too and it really frustated me to see him lose to Sampras time and time again.

Regarding Federer, I think he has achieved a lot real fast, is still very young and has a lot of time to prove himself over the years. If he retired today I don't think I'd consider him to be the best ever but if he does go past Sampras' record of grand slams, even if he does it without winning the French Open, then regardless of the competition he has had to face I'd say he was the best ever.
 
Sampras in his prime would probably have been beating Federer on hard and grass courts quite a few times

His serve was much better than Federer's is now, and his forehand was as lethal as FedEx's backhand

Federer will still eclipse him in terms of winnings though
 
If Federer beats Sampras`14 slams AND gets Roland Garros, I`ll say he was better. Until then I have to say Sampras was simply because of the competition he faced throughout his career. In addition to those mentioned you can add the Kafelnikov, Krajicek, Kuerten(lot`s of Ks) and even the likes of Rios, Philipoussis and Ferreira(never slam winners but great talents who could beat anyone on their day). I`ve grown increasingly disillusioned with tennis(both sexes) lately.
 
Korda was another K!!

great player too. Michael Stich, another one.
 
If Federer beats Sampras`14 slams AND gets Roland Garros, I`ll say he was better. Until then I have to say Sampras was simply because of the competition he faced throughout his career. In addition to those mentioned you can add the Kafelnikov, Krajicek, Kuerten(lot`s of Ks) and even the likes of Rios, Philipoussis and Ferreira(never slam winners but great talents who could beat anyone on their day). I`ve grown increasingly disillusioned with tennis(both sexes) lately.
Same here. I stopped watching at around 2005 and only the talk of Nadal-Fed rivalry got me back into it last year. Other than that it's pretty shit. I remember a commentator saying Roddick is going to be the next US tennis superstar, and I said to myself if he is the best US can offer then they are in trouble. Same with Hewitt.

Women's tennis was great when you had Hingis, Davernport, Williams and Clisjters all in the mix. Then it went rapidly downhill, first with Williams show, then Belgians and now I don-t even know what's going on. Williams really changed it completely, their dominance meant that no longer you can have a weak serve and still win something in women's tennis. I used to prefer women's tennis for its elegance, that's all gone now.
 
As far as direct comparison between Fed and Sampras goes. If they both had played at the same time, nether would have won that much. Tough to say who would have dominated. Sampras was never than consistently good as Fed but he had this amazing ability to play his best when his opponent was playing at his best. More often than not he used to lose when the level of tennis in the match was not that high.
It's tough to call who would have dominated, I am going to wait a couple of years. Fed is still to convince me that he can get better of Nadal.
 
I don't think the competition has got weaker or anything like that. In fact I'd say it's got a bit stronger over the years. I think it's just that people tend to slightly over rate players who are no longer playing. Some of the players now are pretty good, Davydenko, Djokovic, Safin, the Argentineans, Gonzalez, Hewitt. Federer and Nadal have basically made the competition look mediocre.

Technically Federer has a better game than Sampras and I think once he over takes Sampras he'll be the best ever. Rod Laver won the grand slam when the 3 other grand slams were all played on grass, I think.
 
No one can really say who would have won a game between Sampras and Federer. IMO the competition was good back than, and it is good right now, too.
Federer will probably break all those records, and IMO, he will be the greatest ever when he finishes his career. Shame he cant win Roland Garros
 
I agree completely with the thread starter (about federer), but I didn't see alot of sampras but i never really liked him. But federer is the best I have ever properly followed and he makes the playing the game of tennis look like a walk in the park!
 
Competition is relative. Sampras played in an era where there were many players close to his level of Tennis unlike Federer who's a cut above the rest. Federer is as complete a player as I've seen

The likes of Roddick are a set of players who've arrived from a post serve and volley era where you had the likes of Ivanisevic winning Wimbledons purely on an excellent serve, players who wouldn't stand the test of time unlike Federer who can adjust his game to even the serve and volley types. I personally thought Rafter and Kraijcek could've gone onto improve the overall level of tennis along with Agassi but for their injuries

Fitting that Agassi, who was the best all-round player during the Sampras era was the only one able to hold his own to an extent in the Federer era. I haven't seen the likes of Bjorg and McEnroe but purely based on the Becker, Sampras and Federer eras, Federer is the best because he can adjust his game to any opponent/surface, the prime reason for Sampras' short-comings on clay
 
I agree that competition has been rather poor in this age. However, Federer is a very good player who is good in all aspects of his game. Great player but definitely not legendary.
 
I agree that competition has been rather poor in this age. However, Federer is a very good player who is good in all aspects of his game. Great player but definitely not legendary.
Why not? Because of a lack of competition? There is still lot's of quality competition, like always.
Federer is better than anyone else (maybe Nadal is very close), and that's not because the others are poor but because he's really that much better than anyone else
 
I could go on about him for awhile but he is the best ever tennis player. Absolutely complete game. A small matter of just going that extra mile on clay against someone who will go down as a clay great, but otherwise he has been flawless. Its just this clay thing he has to get over, which btw Sampras never one either, Federer IMO will.
 
I could go on about him for awhile but he is the best ever tennis player. Absolutely complete game. A small matter of just going that extra mile on clay against someone who will go down as a clay great, but otherwise he has been flawless. Its just this clay thing he has to get over, which btw Sampras never one either, Federer IMO will.

I cant understand it why he cant cut it on clay. Nadal, I admit, is great but Federer still has all the attributes requiered.
 
Sampras the best ever? i think that tittle should go either to bjorn borg or Mc Enroe, at that time there were a lot of great tennis players -like connors, vilas, arthur ashe. noah, lendl, clerc, gerulaitis, Illie Nastase, Solomon, Gotfried, tanner

feck, those where great tennis players, and big mc and borg were always on top
 
Federer has just faced mediocre opposition and looks good. Even if he wins more titles than Sampras it wouldnt make him better. Its like Celtic having more titles than United or Arsenal.

Playing in a different era is like playing in a different league
 
i think that tittle should go either to bjorn borg or Mc Enroe

Good shout...but McEnroe was like some of the other greats and couldnt win the French open.

Bjorg on the other hand was the king of both the clay and grass - won 11 grand slams and retired at 25. If he had bothered to play in the Australian open more than once or played till his 30's, he could have won about 20 grand slams.
 
Federer has just faced mediocre opposition and looks good. Even if he wins more titles than Sampras it wouldnt make him better. Its like Celtic having more titles than United or Arsenal.

Playing in a different era is like playing in a different league
:lol:

I cant understand it why he cant cut it on clay. Nadal, I admit, is great but Federer still has all the attributes requiered.
He can, he reaches the final of every single grandslam comfortably. Its just that hes faced with a guy who will go down as one of the great clay court players ever. But he'll do it i feel.
 
I would have to disagree with all those who reckon competition is still the same level as Sampras's time. Fed may as well be better then Pete but rest of the crop right now are shit. They show some potential but never have a really good patch or two.
 
I would have to disagree with all those who reckon competition is still the same level as Sampras's time. Fed may as well be better then Pete but rest of the crop right now are shit. They show some potential but never have a really good patch or two.
Roddick was excellent at his best. Hewwit was pretty good as well. Agassi still had a lot of life left in him. Federer just had the game to beat pretty much all of them with such ease, thats the point. If hes better than Pete hes pretty close to one of the bests of all time. There are a lot of good talents out there though, Nadal's generation is going to be a very competitive one, when they all reach their primes that is.
 
Roddick was excellent at his best. Hewwit was pretty good as well. Agassi still had a lot of life left in him. Federer just had the game to beat pretty much all of them with such ease, thats the point. If hes better than Pete hes pretty close to one of the bests of all time. There are a lot of good talents out there though, Nadal's generation is going to be a very competitive one, when they all reach their primes that is.
I have to say I have never rated Hewitt at all. Roddick is good but really he gets there by bullying other with his serving, which is fair enough. But it was obvious he was never going to do it with some one like Federer. And he has not been of any competition to him at all. Even Nadal has beaten Roddick comfortably recently if I recall. Agassi did provide descent competition for Federer. And as I already said I am hoping Nadal-Fed rivalry would keep going.
 
I don't think the competition has got weaker or anything like that. In fact I'd say it's got a bit stronger over the years. I think it's just that people tend to slightly over rate players who are no longer playing. Some of the players now are pretty good, Davydenko, Djokovic, Safin, the Argentineans, Gonzalez, Hewitt. Federer and Nadal have basically made the competition look mediocre.

Technically Federer has a better game than Sampras and I think once he over takes Sampras he'll be the best ever. Rod Laver won the grand slam when the 3 other grand slams were all played on grass, I think.

Davydenko so high pretty much proves a point about quality of tennis nowadays. Djokovic could be very good, though.

Hewitt and Safin`s best days were probably more in Sampras` era.