It's obvious that we don't have the financial resources of any of the top clubs in England. I mean feel free to keep banging on that if you want but would you rather we got bought by an oil country and suddenly had £300 million to spend every window? Make your mind up.
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It's obvious that we don't have the financial resources of any of the top clubs in England. I mean feel free to keep banging on that if you want but would you rather we got bought by an oil country and suddenly had £300 million to spend every window? Make your mind up.
I know its fun to wind up Spurs fans but Chelsea have a great manager and a far far better squad than Spurs and without Son, Tottenham are about 30% less effective. If you took Son and Kane out of that Spurs side it would be hovering around mid table. Both of them are world class and carry the team time and time again.
Spurs are just in a predicament that any side which overachieves for a few years has. They think that their new baseline is that level and anything beneath it is failure. The team they had when Poch was there was far far better than this current one.
Dele was in top form and being talking about as being world class.
Eriksen was in top form and was one of the best creative midfielders in the PL.
Their defence was very solid and settled with Trippier, Rose, Vertonghen and Alderweirald
They also had a settled manager who suited Spurs down to a tee.
Conte is a top manager but he needs to be given money and the players need to buy into what he is doing and he is by all accounts an abrasive manager who doesn't suffer fools. I think thats probably a large part of why United didn't go for him. Our pampered players wouldn't have put up with it for any amount of time before throwing him under the bus. RR has already had issues with players and he seems to be far more measured and chilled out so Conte would have imploded.
Spurs will still be fighting for top 4 come the end of the season if they can keep Son and Kane injury free.
Spurs are just in a predicament that any side which overachieves for a few years has. They think that their new baseline is that level and anything beneath it is failure. The team they had when Poch was there was far far better than this current one.
Dele was in top form and being talking about as being world class.
Eriksen was in top form and was one of the best creative midfielders in the PL.
Their defence was very solid and settled with Trippier, Rose, Vertonghen and Alderweirald
They also had a settled manager who suited Spurs down to a tee.
Conte is a top manager but he needs to be given money and the players need to buy into what he is doing and he is by all accounts an abrasive manager who doesn't suffer fools. I think thats probably a large part of why United didn't go for him. Our pampered players wouldn't have put up with it for any amount of time before throwing him under the bus. RR has already had issues with players and he seems to be far more measured and chilled out so Conte would have imploded.
Spurs will still be fighting for top 4 come the end of the season if they can keep Son and Kane injury free.
Very poor performance (as usual against Chelsea) but the reality is the squad has become very average over the past few years. This has been exacerbated by the fact that our transfers since we've moved full time to the stadium, when we've actually spent a pretty good amount of money, has been appalling.
19/20 season we spent £133 million gross (75 net). 20/21 we spent £100 million gross (88 net). This season so far we've spent £60 million gross (£31 million net, though the actual values will be higher as we've technically 'loaned' Romero, even though the transfer fee is still to be paid next summer).
Those are not insignificant sums but the problem is that essentially none of those players have contributed very much at all. Our two biggest signings (N'dombele and Lo Celso for a combined fee of around £100 million) have been crap. That in particular has crippled us.
Bergwijn and Sess for a combined £50 million. Doherty for 15 million, always a terrible idea. Hojbjerg for 15 million.
Reguilon for 27 million has been OK and Royal for 25 million still early to judge.
Clarke for 10 million as a young punt, Rodon for the same. Gil for 23 million. Sarr for 15 million (on loan). Will give them time, though have seen nothing from Clarke to indicate he's a potential PL level player.
Reguilon has been pretty good, though I'm not sure he's been as good as I thought he would be. Still too early to judge Royal and some of the punts (and they're all young at least). Berg has scored some important goals and PEH has been all action I guess. Romero has been good when he's played but injured on international duty.
In reality though, for basically 300 million gross expenditure over 3 seasons (more than almost all clubs in world football can afford, particularly without rich backers), only Reguilon has really definitively improved the starting 11. Some of the rest are good for the squad (PEH, Berg), some still punts at varying levels of oh crap this may not work out and some of them have contributed so little.
That's the unfortunate reality. Levy gets a lot of justified criticism for not spending but since we've gotten the stadium revenue, we've spent. A lot. We've just spent it exceedingly poorly.
We need a better structure in place.
The squad needs a major overhaul and its going to be painful. Though I still think we've got a good chance of top 4 this season because of Conte.
19/20 season we spent £133 million gross (75 net). 20/21 we spent £100 million gross (88 net). This season so far we've spent £60 million gross (£31 million net, though the actual values will be higher as we've technically 'loaned' Romero, even though the transfer fee is still to be paid next summer).
Those are not insignificant sums but the problem is that essentially none of those players have contributed very much at all. Our two biggest signings (N'dombele and Lo Celso for a combined fee of around £100 million) have been crap. That in particular has crippled us.
Bergwijn and Sess for a combined £50 million. Doherty for 15 million, always a terrible idea. Hojbjerg for 15 million.
Reguilon for 27 million has been OK and Royal for 25 million still early to judge.
Clarke for 10 million as a young punt, Rodon for the same. Gil for 23 million. Sarr for 15 million (on loan). Will give them time, though have seen nothing from Clarke to indicate he's a potential PL level player.
Reguilon has been pretty good, though I'm not sure he's been as good as I thought he would be. Still too early to judge Royal and some of the punts (and they're all young at least). Berg has scored some important goals and PEH has been all action I guess. Romero has been good when he's played but injured on international duty.
In reality though, for basically 300 million gross expenditure over 3 seasons (more than almost all clubs in world football can afford, particularly without rich backers), only Reguilon has really definitively improved the starting 11. Some of the rest are good for the squad (PEH, Berg), some still punts at varying levels of oh crap this may not work out and some of them have contributed so little.
That's the unfortunate reality. Levy gets a lot of justified criticism for not spending but since we've gotten the stadium revenue, we've spent. A lot. We've just spent it exceedingly poorly.
We need a better structure in place.
The squad needs a major overhaul and its going to be painful. Though I still think we've got a good chance of top 4 this season because of Conte.
@africanspur I haven't watched that many games, but I thought Hojbjerg has been good? At least they were raving about him on Sky a few times, but maybe that was under Jose.
He's not been bad, especially for the money paid. I'm probably being a bit arsey and he wouldn't be one of my priorities to shift on. He's been a bit underwhelming though for me and he wouldn't have gotten in the team when we had Wanyama & Dembele, which is the minimum kind of level we need to be aspiring to again.
If we get back to where we want to be, he'd be a good squad/ bench option but I wouldn't want to see him as a regular starter.
Ah, Dembele. Would have loved to have him at United, absolute monster of a player he was.
That’s pretty grim. I had no idea some of those players had been signed for so much.
At least with United, I can see under the right manager and with a lot more confidence built, there is a team capable of mixing it up with the better teams in Europe. Spurs look like they are at performing at their max level with that squad at the moment.
Yep unfortunately so.
Looking on the bright side though, we've been linked with this keeper, who I would buy based on the name alone:
He won't be Savin many
Don't think the squads that bad actually, you just keep picking the wrong managers. 3 defensive managers in a row with an offensive set of players makes the squad look worse than it is. If you had got Ten Hag or Potter I think they would be pretty happy with a new left footed central defender and a quality CF to rotate for Kane and got on with it. You have a decent attacking 4231 / 433 hybrid first 11 with what you have but lack depth. Front 3 are fine although Kane needs to play less and stop trying to be a midfielder. Midfield is ok just out of form and not the right combinations. It's the defense for me is poor apart from Reguilon and Romero and I would prefer a younger keeper (it's a shame you didn't go for Onana). When Conte blows up if you got Potter and added something like Badiashile, Kessie (free) and Toney maybe with Celik (1 year left) trimmed the fat (Alli, Doherty, Sanchez, Rodon, Segnesson) to pay for some of it you would have a decent fun to watch side.
Just saw that Chelsea have now beaten Spurs 4 times in the same season. Going to keep an eye on the two teams in the next FA cup draw! (Not a given that spurs will get past the excellent Brighton, of course)
I think Spurs need to change at least 1/2 of their squad but in the end Levy will do nothing so I expect Conte to leave them after this season.
Is Levy just being pragmatic. He probably knows that Spurs are unlikely to compete long term with the other big teams in the league so he would rather spend less and try to get the occasional CL than spend big and still get the occasional CL spot.
What he really needs to worry about is what happens when Kane and Son move on or deteriorate.
That goal he scored against Palace is a top 5 all time premier league goal. he'll always have that
He was a massive prick on the field during his purple patch, I hope he leaves the Premier League.
thread: DESCRIBE HOW MUCH OF A WANKER GARY NEVILLE IS IN 5 WORDS OR LESS
...or spankwangling cockwomble
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Wtf! No
not having that, its an incredible goal scored by an average player, if Rooney/aguero scored it it'd still be getting replayed
Top 5 in PL? Come on man! Great goal, but not that great.
I could prob name 5 I'd put above them but they'd all be context of game related like Rooney v City or Henry's against United. Going on pure quality of the goal I'd have that one up there
I mean they should have been down to ten before that (although not sure that would have actually helped us, Conte would have doubled down on the defensive tactics and we'd have had a very hard time getting through) so not really sure why they're playing hard done to.
My body is ready @No Idea For Nickname
I don't see a problem with this, maybe they should have played "sound of silence" and "numb" instead
United not being able to serve food at HT against Boro was a disgrace.
Genuinely don't know what the issue is with this? Should they be playing the death march or something instead? Or perhaps they should shut all the bars as well in mourning. Some people just want to get angry at anything.
Singing a song by a Man City fan, where’s Chas and Dave?
Isn't Adele a Spurs fan?
Is that why she’s crying?
This will be good
Romero has taken it upon himself to be the living embodiment of the name of that forum.
Unlucky.
lads, its spurs
Spurs last seven results (all comps)
L W L W L W L
#consistentlyinconsistent
L W L W L W L
#consistentlyinconsistent
Unlucky.
Might want to stay in the Ukraine thread, Glaston.
Unlucky.
Tough luck Glaston.
Fitting that his avatar is a clown
Unlucky.