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Veron pales before Keane's example
Two expensive United men show a contrast in their worth

Richard Williams
Wednesday May 1, 2002
The Guardian

So history will probably be repeated at Hampden Park later this month, albeit not as Sir Alex Ferguson had planned. Depending on tonight's result in the Bernabeu, it seems likely that Real Madrid will meet an underrated German team in the European Cup final, just as their predecessors did on that night in 1960 when Ferguson stood to watch the Spanish aristocrats beating Eintracht Frankfurt 7-3 in one of the most resplendent club matches ever played.
Ferguson had hoped to be taking his own team home to Glasgow to meet the heirs of Puskas and Di Stefano but that dream was crushed last night by the extraordinary spirit of Bayer Leverkusen.

Klaus Toppmöller's side may be throwing away their chance to win their own domestic championship with a series of terrible results against bottom-of-the-table teams but they performed last night with all the effervescence that has seen them beat Juventus, Barcelona, Liverpool and Deportivo La Coruna here this season.

United had their chances but not as many as their opponents, who looked livelier and more anxious to prove their mettle throughout.

When Carlos Alberto Parreira was coaching Brazil on the way to their fourth World Cup in 1994 he used to say that, if he messed things up, there were 155 million other coaches back home who would let him know exactly where he had gone wrong. There is hardly a football fan alive who does not know better than the manager, and there will be plenty of United fans this morning asking questions about Ferguson's decision to pick Juan Sebastian Veron in the role of shadow striker last night, instead of Ryan Giggs or Ole Gunnar Solskjaer.

Ferguson explained his decision by saying he wanted to provide a better balance for the team by strengthening the flanks. Another interpretation would be that he was furious enough with Veron's feckless performance as David Beckham's replacement in the first leg at Old Trafford to push him forward into a more exposed position, hoping to goad him into justifying his reputation and his £28.1m fee.

But United needed goals last night and in the six seasons since Veron arrived in Europe he has scored only 19 in league and European Cup football.

Last night the Argentinian wandered for an hour in the area behind Ruud van Nistelrooy without ever creating a significant chance. There was a reminder of his patchy record as a striker after 18 minutes when Giggs and Paul Scholes combined to send him in unmarked on the left side of the penalty area, only for his right-foot shot to fly wildly over the bar. Five minutes before the interval he was on target with a shot from Giggs's half-cleared corner but this time his drive was deflected over off a diving defender.

As the second half went on and United's efforts grew more frantic, Veron drifted further and further back. His influence, never great, waned as he receded. By the end he was playing at centre-back. It seemed a strange use of £28.1m of creative talent.

Like Veron, Roy Keane arrived at United for an English record fee. As he rounded Hans-Jörg Butt and slotted the ball home to put United in the lead last night, he was yet again repaying Ferguson's faith and United's investment of £3.75m back in 1993. And as he ran to the United supporters, he heard the sound that had echoed around the Stadio delle Alpi on a similar night three years ago. "Keano! Keano!"

They sang it long into the night in Turin after Keane had inspired United to come back from a 2-0 deficit against Juventus, Zinedine Zidane and all, to win 3-2 and give Ferguson the chance to match the achievement of his most illustrious predecessor, Sir Matt Busby. Keane sacrificed himself even though he knew an early yellow card had cost him his own chance to take part.

Last night was intended to offer Keane the chance he missed then to go forward to the final and it is a testament to his stature that he was universally seen as the one man who could see United through a difficult tie. His goal in the 28th minute confirmed the solid foundation of that faith, coming at a time when United were being overwhelmed by the swarming interplay of Leverkusen's talented and eager forwards.

"I wish I could have 10 of him," Ferguson said. "He was marvellous and I'm very disappointed for him." Disappointed for one, no doubt disappointed in the other. Roy Keane's standing is unimpaired but it is hard to imagine a future for Juan Sebastian Veron at Old Trafford after this defeat.
 
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Passiveman. Why don't you just shut your mouth and let people be in doubt if you have a brain or not?

By being so open about the void behind your cranium you get us embarassed. Please, stop.

<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />
 
Originally posted by Private PeeWee:
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Passiveman. Why don't you just shut your mouth and let people be in doubt if you have a brain or not?

By being so open about the void behind your cranium you get us embarassed. Please, stop.

<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>

And why didn't you pick a fight in the thread in which I insulted you?
 
Originally posted by passiveman:
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And why didn't you pick a fight in the thread in which I insulted you?</strong><hr></blockquote>

Ban him

;)
 
<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />
 
I tell you this

I salute you Roy Keane .

What a fantastic performance by a fantastic player .

We have Vieira and there's Zidane Figo etc etc .
but believe me a fit Roy Keane would be the first name on my team sheet every time - the best midfield player in the world -without a doubt

Would have been interesting to see your trophy haul without him at Manutd
 
I don't know why but I always had this little issus about Roys playing ability, don't ask me why cos I know how wrong it is now.
I have seen him develop so much in the last couple of seasons. I have seen his vision and off the ball movement - he is a world class player and deserves all the credit he can get. It's a shame we didn't get the win last night as he played so well and strongly. The captaincy armband really shone brightly on his arm.

Well done Keano!
<img src="graemlins/keano.gif" border="0" alt="[Keano]" />
 
Save us reactive man.

That post is too long in the first place and I still cann't fit my teeth around my monitor.

How long will we have to wait until your tears posts comes back to the top???
 
Originally posted by Pat the Baker:
<strong>Save us reactive man.

That post is too long in the first place and I still cann't fit my teeth around my monitor.

How long will we have to wait until your tears posts comes back to the top???</strong><hr></blockquote>

What exactly do you have against me Baz?

Aside from the England games gaffe?
 
Originally posted by passiveman:
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What exactly do you have against me Baz?

Aside from the England games gaffe?</strong><hr></blockquote>

I think he likes you. He's just shy.
 
Originally posted by passiveman:
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What exactly do you have against me Baz?

Aside from the England games gaffe?</strong><hr></blockquote>

I reckon you know very little about footie.

Your latest crap to come out of your arse is that you think Roy Keane will retire when he finds it hard.

Load of bollocks as anyone who knows Roy Keane he will play till the very end like Robson. Keane has never got it easy from Mayfield to Cobh, from the Fas training in Leixlip to Forest he's being a grafter and I could never see him just retiring because things get Hard

I just cannot get my head around some of your posts sometimes. And then you post in your own topics just to bring them to the top and to add insult to injury I've caught you having a full scale conversation with yourself about a month ago.

And then I can throw in the fact you know little about Irish Football and you think the majority of Irish Women are ugly.

But I still Love Ya anyhow.
 
Hey passiveman, you wrote knockers, knocker-kockers on your post title. Where are all the big knockers? I don't see any big breasted girls around? <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />
 
Originally posted by Pat the Baker:
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I reckon you know very little about footie.

Your latest crap to come out of your arse is that you think Roy Keane will retire when he finds it hard.

Load of bollocks as anyone who knows Roy Keane he will play till the very end like Robson. Keane has never got it easy from Mayfield to Cobh, from the Fas training in Leixlip to Forest he's being a grafter and I could never see him just retiring because things get Hard

I just cannot get my head around some of your posts sometimes. And then you post in your own topics just to bring them to the top and to add insult to injury I've caught you having a full scale conversation with yourself about a month ago.

And then I can throw in the fact you know little about Irish Football and you think the majority of Irish Women are ugly.

But I still Love Ya anyhow.</strong><hr></blockquote>

You have a case about the England games gaffe - for which I was mightily embarassed - though I believe I indicated my uncertainty in that post by inluding an "if I'm not mistaken". I cheered on the Irish team in '90 same as anyone else in the country - my memory doesn't always benefit me.

You're entitled to your opinion about Keane - I was trying to say that I think he won't accept it for his team if he can't give 100%, if he's holding them back in any way - not as you suggest that I think he can't be arsed.

The bit about Irish birds are ugly was a laugh - I'm going out with an Irish bird - I also personally apologised to you since you didn't appreciate the post later in that thread - dunno if you read it.

As regards talking to myself - I have been known to do it - can you remind me of the post?

I bumped the posts up to the top because I felt they were earnest attempts to contribute to a Manchester United forum which has been heavily overtaken by ABU types talking shit.

Hell I even tipped Mattie Stevens for the snooker, surely you can appreciate that?
 
Originally posted by passiveman:
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You have a case about the England games gaffe - for which I was mightily embarassed - though I believe I indicated my uncertainty in that post by inluding an "if I'm not mistaken". I cheered on the Irish team in '90 same as anyone else in the country - my memory doesn't always benefit me.

You're entitled to your opinion about Keane - I was trying to say that I think he won't accept it for his team if he can't give 100%, if he's holding them back in any way - not as you suggest that I think he can't be arsed.

The bit about Irish birds are ugly was a laugh - I'm going out with an Irish bird - I also personally apologised to you since you didn't appreciate the post later in that thread - dunno if you read it.

As regards talking to myself - I have been known to do it - can you remind me of the post?

I bumped the posts up to the top because I felt they were earnest attempts to contribute to a Manchester United forum which has been heavily overtaken by ABU types talking shit.

Hell I even tipped Mattie Stevens for the snooker, surely you can appreciate that?</strong><hr></blockquote>


Good lad passiveman, you answered that the way it was meant light-hearted.

and your tip with mathew stevens looks very good to bout :)
 
Originally posted by Pat the Baker:
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Good lad passiveman, you answered that the way it was meant light-hearted.

and your tip with mathew stevens looks very good to bout :) </strong><hr></blockquote>

Grand job - I can handle enemies of the Welsh variety or what have you but I dislike having tiffs with an Irishman.
 
Originally posted by charlie's devils:
<strong>How sweet.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Do you want me to challenge you on your football knowledge as well ya pleb
 
Pat, arent you the one that makes stuff up about yourself, posts pictures of other couples and says its you, or is it another Pat?

Just wondered.
 
Originally posted by 2Bullish:
<strong>Pat, arent you the one that makes stuff up about yourself, posts pictures of other couples and says its you, or is it another Pat?

Just wondered.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I'll hold my hands up on that one,

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