FAO ALL: Scholes should be sold. Discuss

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The argument that Paul Scholes should depart from Old Trafford has gained more water as the Season 2001/02 came to an end. The lad went through a lean spell in which he was dropped due to poor form and experimentation, which upset his natural rhythm of play. For, once one of United’s most astute had a dreadful and below average season. Why is a question one may ask? The obvious answer is the purchase of Juan Sebastian Veron.
Veron full flow and at his best was bought to add that extra bit of creativity and flare that was lacking at the very heart of Man United’s midfield. In SAF’s eyes Veron on from is the first choice to partner his skipper Keane. This left him with the dilemma of whether to drop his Champion’s league top scorer for two successive season or find ways to accommodate him. SAF decided to accommodate him with pathetic results. Scholes rapidly lost form and looked lost behind the main striker. It resulted in him being dropped and his first altercation with the manager. An unheard of thing from a consummate professional known as level headed with a penchant for keeping a low profile. When he switched to the left in Giggs absence he looked comfortable for a bit but was not as effective as Giggs. When Scholes and Giggs switched roles, it left United without the same penetration they have with the Lord of the wing on the left.
On top of that it is not fair to have your best player of the previous season languishing on the bench when he is 27. An age at which he has clearly reached his peak, especially noting that a player of his experience, ability and repertoire is simply too good to leave on the bench. Yet clearly trying to accommodate him has left him lost or worse, the team losing one of it’s attacking dimensions.
One thing remains certain. SAF has to make a decision on the future of two players: Juan Veron and Paul Scholes. Though both have had stinkers for a season it is clear that both cannot be in the same team. One can simply not be cover for the other! Veron who was bought expensively, if sold would be the clearest of indications yet to Man United’s board that Sir Alex threw away a lot of money. It would make them reluctant to release similar funds in the future. Also, it would not be fair to sell a player without giving him another chance to fully prove himself. If sold however, this would provide the funds for adequate replacements. On the other hand, by selling Scholes, one prevents him from being a bench warmer when he is at his peak. England fans would firstly never forgive United for stalling the progress of currently their most creative force in central midfield. Also, a player of his quality would be better used at a club like Roma or Juventus where he would be guaranteed a first team place and be free to utilize his peak years to the fulfillment of his career. However in selling him, United would be losing a major source of goals and the type of commitment that is rarely found in players of his generation. Not to mention his vision and pace and defensive qualities. What a dilemma indeed!
In my opinion, Veron will not be sold. And benching Scholes if the real Veron showed up next season is a no-no. So selling him to Roma or Juve or any interested party for 30m quid in pounds is not bad business. Especially in a year when he and his United mates Butt and Beckham are expected to do well for their home land at the World Cup. Replacements too are rather cheap and probably more talented. Two come to mind. Cristiano Doni, the new Italian sensation. A two footed midfielder who can play anywhere along the midfield plus in the hole, has a record for scoring goals like Ballack and Scholes himself, is a better dribbler and most importantly is 28. At an age where who so ever gets him would get his peak years out of him. Also, he has indicated that he wouldn’t mind leaving the Serie A unlike most Italian stars. The World cup is simply expected to confirm his status as a new star.
The other talent is Joe Cole. Sir Alex has tracked him for years, narrowly missing out to West Ham because the lad wanted more first team experience before joining a big squad. Cole, similar to England great Gascoigne in skill, not in build would be an idle replacement. As cover for players like Veron and Keane it would be easy for him to develop in to a complete midfielder. And his price due to his age would be reasonable. I personally believe it might be him chosen if Sir Alex decides to sell Scholes what do you think?
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i think thats a long bloody post.
IF there was a choice of who id sell between Veron & Scholes, id be helping Veron pack his bags. Scholes brings more to the overall team than Veron does IMO. Why did Scholes play so badly last year? because he was dicked about so much this year to try and make a place for Veron.
For me, if Fergie wants to bring that added bit of creative flair to the team, it should not be at the cost of our best midfield, who know each others game inside and trust each other. The only place i see is to bring in the deep lying forward type ala Cantona/Sheringham. Maybe Rivaldo, PDC, etc. But then that means sacrificing a striker, which obviously aint gonna be RVN...which leaves OLE. But thats a whole different argument.
 
This is forum, Kemo not a bleedy place to write a novel length post! <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />
 
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Originally posted by golden_blunder:
<strong>i think thats a long bloody post.
IF there was a choice of who id sell between Veron & Scholes, id be helping Veron pack his bags. Scholes brings more to the overall team than Veron does IMO. Why did Scholes play so badly last year? because he was dicked about so much this year to try and make a place for Veron.
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Exactly. Also, I get the feeling that Scholes was somewhat accussed of being at fault for early CL exits in previous seasons. Scholes always provides United with two things:

1. A genuine goal scoring threat from midfield, wheather this be from long range shooting or in the box runs.
2. A player who never disrupts our offensive flow. A player of great vision. always looks for the intelligiant play.

My wish for this year's WC is for Paul Scholes to sink Argentina. Go Pauly!
 
Originally posted by darko:
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Exactly. Also, I get the feeling that Scholes was somewhat accussed of being at fault for early CL exits in previous seasons. Scholes always provides United with two things:

1. A genuine goal scoring threat from midfield, wheather this be from long range shooting or in the box runs.
2. A player who never disrupts our offensive flow. A player of great vision. always looks for the intelligiant play.

My wish for this year's WC is for Paul Scholes to sink Argentina. Go Pauly!</strong><hr></blockquote>

But he also dissapears when we're playing crap and cant lift his game.
And he cant command midfield like Veron can...although Seba still cant adapt to our play which is sad.
 
Originally posted by kemo:
<strong>The argument that Paul Scholes should depart from Old Trafford has gained more water as the Season 2001/02 came to an end. </strong><hr></blockquote>

I've never heard of an argument gaining more water before. <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />
 
Originally posted by Wibble:
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I've never heard of an argument gaining more water before. <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>

I suppose it must have been raining at Kemo's place.
 
Originally posted by Amir:
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I suppose it must have been raining at Kemo's place.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Not used to that stuff in Israel??

Well, Scholes will never leave Utd. If a mf was to go it will be Veron....not a doubt in my mind.
 
kemo... you realy do talk some fecking shit dont you! every post you put up is about buying ronaldo, rivaldo, come on what about zidane...do you have no brain (oops think your posts say it all nesta at right back - hes hardly going to overlap and let becks come inside is he)... but now you say sell scholes... you must be the biggest fecking numpty feck around... i think anybody who recons we would get 6 million for phil neville is either on some seriousley wacked out shit or should actually try and understand football... sell scholes... a guy who can score goals pass a ball run all day stick his foot in and understands the game... kemo in short go feck yourself you fecking cnut and while your at it castrate yourself. wanker
 
Originally posted by funkymonkey:
<strong>kemo... you realy do talk some fecking shit dont you! every post you put up is about buying ronaldo, rivaldo, come on what about zidane...do you have no brain (oops think your posts say it all nesta at right back - hes hardly going to overlap and let becks come inside is he)... but now you say sell scholes... you must be the biggest fecking numpty feck around... i think anybody who recons we would get 6 million for phil neville is either on some seriousley wacked out shit or should actually try and understand football... sell scholes... a guy who can score goals pass a ball run all day stick his foot in and understands the game... kemo in short go feck yourself you fecking cnut and while your at it castrate yourself. wanker</strong><hr></blockquote>


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Listen Pussy-assed bitch feckING MONKEY or what ever the feck you call yourself!!
You think you know squat about football? Then why do you want me to suggest we buy Zidane. Is he available you dick brain? HUHH :mad:

Rivaldo and Ronaldo are. FACT not fiction but your eyes are to filled with the shit that oozes outayour brain to realise that!!! And to the truth , you are worse than a stinking cnut only fools like you feck themselves. HELl! Ain't no fecking homo or wanker like you. You think you know football? You Really think scholes is so happy playing second fiddle to Veron? What happens whhen Veron plays like he can huh? You think that Scholes won;t have a run in with Sir Alex like he did before the worthless cup game with the GOONERS EH? You think he can't be slod? You think it's fair for a player of his calibre reaching his peak to be on the bench after all he has done for United huh asshole? Playing second fiddle to a new coner? VEron who will surely displace him next season? Get a brain fix fool coz you need one. Too much shit is filled in your head :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
 
The handbags are out.
I dont think Fergie will sell Seba or Scholes. He thinks too much of Scholes as a player and is too stubborn to sell Veron.
 
hummm... hamdbags indeed ... the zidane comment was simply to point out that many of kemo's points are simply unrealistic we are not going to sign a large number of established stars, the club has not been founded on these ideas and it has been successful in its ethos of growing talent and finding players hungry for a bigger stage and giving it to them - Bruce Pallister Irwin Keane Cantona Kanchelskis Johnson and OGS all in recent years... sorry kemo support someone else if you want "sexy" buys... hey you havent mentioned figo or schevenchenko yet... PLEASE DONT
As for not knowing about football I actually work part time for Oxford and Reading helping the football acadamy find and develop young players so id like to think i have a fair idea of the requirements to play proffesional football... yourself????...
As for scholes to suggest selling a player of his quality angers me you must have so little undersdanding of what he actually does in a game... have you ever seen him play... i dont mean on the telly listening to ron and his "little scholsey got in early doors at the back stick" "ronglish" style ... I am saying having seen the work he does (football does exist beyond the camera) I still think you are a cnut but if you talk as much shit as you do what else am i ment to think
I think you would make a good sun writer (your full of shit) but i think you might be better served if you forgot about that...and started playing football or at the very least start going to games instead of talking shit all the time... lets buy pele... lets buy banks... (its a matter of time)
IMO you realy are just a poxy fecking shitc**t!
and please lets see you respond without little red faces without trying to pretend we are realy going to buy X (I would list them but i realy dont have time... theres sooooooooo many)?

actually do you know anything about the game or do you just look at the papers/internet...

ps have you ever been to OT? -and no not to the shop for the reason we real fans haqve gone since we were small... sitting on our dad shoulders so we could see the game... because of the atmosphere and because we love the game and the club... did you go to sir matts testimonial to pay respect for what he did for the club... Ive have a funny feeling the answer is no!... it sound to me you would happily have a differentt 11 players on the field to fergie if you had the money... id personaly trust fergie over a jump on the bandwagen know feck all twat like you... so gwan rude boy and get all original bad boy and talk shit at me... but can you try and say something constructive...even once... you dont know you wont like it till you try it... it wont kill you (we can all wish tho)
 
Talking of constructive who said that United was going to sign a large number of established stars? :confused: <img src="graemlins/nono.gif" border="0" alt="[No No]" />

Only tw or three would surfice. Even one for that matter to take united to the next level.
about being to OT. I haven't but I will be soon you bet on it!!!

I was the youngest assistant coach in the Kampala Kids league when it opened in 1998 at 18 years. We were helping mould future proffesionals who will mature buy 2007. So I do know something about football tooI only dropped out coz of Education reasons but I will resume!!!!!!!

And unlike you I have played football since ! was four and was a scholl team captain for more than 6 years......from Primary till secondary.

About rude words i have for you bullshit evn this forum couldn't contain 'em all.

I trust Fegie's judement more than a PUNK like you!! I have whole heartedly supported his purchasing of (UNLIKE YOU)Veron and i belve he will be that satr of the future. I hacve defended even the selling of Stam to get Blanc unlike most MAnCS!!
I know for a fact fegrie is an admirer of Both Ronaldo and Rivaldo,. He rates him and Totti as the best in the World and he has chase him since 98. Even before we won the treble. Now that he is available you really think Fergie wouldn't try getting him. How long did he chase Blanc?

He has also chased Thuram and Zanetti for some time they are also available. He is likely to get one.

Ronaldo he has talked to one many ocassions. and the lad has always said if he evr went to England Man Utd is who he would play for. Fergie has always trated him like how he ened up getting ruud and Forlan and if he could he would have got ronaldo long ago. If the rumours are he is being offered on loan do you think Fergie wouldn't jump at the chance to get him?. Especially for nouhgt freeing up money to spend on his defence and other areas? Having one of Rivaldo or ronaldo is not as far fetched as you think. So i suggest you o for a refresher course on football. Displaying Ignorance only makes you look dummer.....

Besides a fool in his folly is only a fool.
 
Originally posted by edmund:
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But he also dissapears when we're playing crap and cant lift his game.
And he cant command midfield like Veron can...although Seba still cant adapt to our play which is sad.</strong><hr></blockquote>


Did anyone lift their game when we were playing crap??? Apart from Keane, who never plays poorly anyway.

And the fact that Seba can't adapt to our play says it all. Sell Scholes and hope that Seba does adapt?? Doesn't seem good sense to me.

One thing Scholes has that Seba hasn't shown yet, is real determination. How many times did Seba lose the ball, and not chase after it? Too many imo. And that doesn't have anything to do with ability, that has to do with attitude.