[Ex-Manager] Casey Stoney takes Canada national team job

[AmarilloMike]

I have thoughts, but not entirely positive.... I'm sure she'll do well, at least as far as the quality of players available allow her to do. I'm just not convinced she is as 'top tier' outside of her United status as some of us think.

 

[Grande]

I have thoughts, but not entirely positive.... I'm sure she'll do well, at least as far as the quality of players available allow her to do. I'm just not convinced she is as 'top tier' outside of her United status as some of us think.

Tbf I think the ‘tier’ thinking of fans is often overestimated. There are many very good coaches, and their estimated ‘level’ is to a huge degree a product of their fit with the environment and a thousand situational factors. This is why, looking at most coaches carreers, one can find that they overperformed and underperformed reasonable expectations about as many seasons.

I think it’s safe to say Casey did a fantastic job at Man Utd. What happened at San Diego Wave is not something I know alot about, but they did come 3rd and 1st in the league play the first two seasons she was there, before she was sacked midway in thethird season when they struggled. She also received the ‘Best Coach’ award after her first season there.

 

[jojojo]

It's hard to know where she would have taken the United team with the right training facilities and the right kind of recruitment options. She certainly designed resilient teams who were nobody's pushover.

In terms of what else we know - she was great at developing team spirit and people wanted to play for her. We often had an excellent first 11 given our status and our budget. What we didn't really have were strong rotation options - or at least we seldom saw them, particularly the younger ones.

It'll be interesting seeing her with Canada. She's got some familiar fights on her hands over budgets and attitudes. She will have a tough job living up to the Olympics win in 2021. Even maintaining their current status as a world top 10 team isn't going to be easy as more teams go professional/semipro.

I can see her enjoying it though. She should be able to get the good vibes and the team spirit up and running fast. Which counts a lot in tournament football. Interesting to note that Carla Ward (ex Villa manager) has signed to be Ireland's new manager. They both have young families as well, so even the schedule might actually suit them more than club football right now.

 

[AmarilloMike]

It's hard to know where she would have taken the United team with the right training facilities and the right kind of recruitment options. She certainly designed resilient teams who were nobody's pushover.

In terms of what else we know - she was great at developing team spirit and people wanted to play for her. We often had an excellent first 11 given our status and our budget. What we didn't really have were strong rotation options - or at least we seldom saw them, particularly the younger ones.

It'll be interesting seeing her with Canada. She's got some familiar fights on her hands over budgets and attitudes. She will have a tough job living up to the Olympics win in 2021. Even maintaining their current status as a world top 10 team isn't going to be easy as more teams go professional/semipro.

I can see her enjoying it though. She should be able to get the good vibes and the team spirit up and running fast. Which counts a lot in tournament football. Interesting to note that Carla Ward (ex Villa manager) has signed to be Ireland's new manager. They both have young families as well, so even the schedule might actually suit them more than club football right now.

Interesting, I hadn't heard that about Ward. I was wondering where she would wind up after she announced she was ready to return to the game. A very salient point regarding young families, I expect the international schedule will be much more preferable for them.

 

[Lobster11]

Tbf I think the ‘tier’ thinking of fans is often overestimated. There are many very good coaches, and their estimated ‘level’ is to a huge degree a product of their fit with the environment and a thousand situational factors. This is why, looking at most coaches carreers, one can find that they overperformed and underperformed reasonable expectations about as many seasons.

Another issue is that coaching an international team is dramatically different from coaching a club team, and those who are great in one context aren't necessarily great in the other. Emma Hayes seems to have demonstrated that she can transition successfully from club to international, but that's not true of everybody. For example, the USWNT's previous manager, Vlatko Andonovski, drove the US national team into a ditch, but has been super-successful as an NWSL coach since.

 

[Grande]

Another issue is that coaching an international team is dramatically different from coaching a club team, and those who are great in one context aren't necessarily great in the other. Emma Hayes seems to have demonstrated that she can transition successfully from club to international, but that's not true of everybody. For example, the USWNT's previous manager, Vlatko Andonovski, drove the US national team into a ditch, but has been super-successful as an NWSL coach since.

True, the tasks are hugely different.