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ste_grassham

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Without knowing any of you lot, i bet you all sit at home thinking you can do a better job than SAF, we i do anyway! lol. we all play championship mangager, and we all have the perfect formations!! right or wrong, so heres mine...

GK
Carrol

Def Def Def
O,shea Rio Mikky


Rw Def Midd Def Midd Lw
Becks Keane Butt Giggs

Att Midd
Seba

Striker Striker
Rvn Ogs


The Defence Has Cover From 2 of the best Def midd in the league, in roy & nicky, and you have the man veron in the position he plays best in! he can make goals from the free roll, and his vision can open any defence, and with the boys up front, they only place the couldnt score is with my fat mother! lol. see i am funny. but you want to see her! she makes dot cotton look like a babe......
 
Originally posted by ste_grassham:
<strong>Without knowing any of you lot, i bet you all sit at home thinking you can do a better job than SAF, we i do anyway! lol. we all play championship mangager, and we all have the perfect formations!! right or wrong, so heres mine...

GK
Carrol

Def Def Def
O,shea Rio Mikky


Rw Def Midd Def Midd Lw
Becks Keane Butt Giggs

Att Midd
Seba

Striker Striker
Rvn Ogs


The Defence Has Cover From 2 of the best Def midd in the league, in roy & nicky, and you have the man veron in the position he plays best in! he can make goals from the free roll, and his vision can open any defence, and with the boys up front, they only place the couldnt score is with my fat mother! lol. see i am funny. but you want to see her! she makes dot cotton look like a babe......</strong><hr></blockquote>


1) No, I don't think I can do a better job than Sir Alex - just as I don't think he can do a better job than me in my role

2) No, never played Championship Manager

3) Veron does not play well in an attacking midfield position, he prefers to play in a deep midfield position, where he gets more time on the ball
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Worrying stuff mate, very worrying :eek:

I always like a 442 formation and believe Uniteds best teams of the last ten years are based on a solid back 4, with a class goalkeeper.

2 hard working midfielders, with 2 wide men who can get up and down and put a decent cross in, followed by 2 men up front one a link man, with the other an out and out goal getter.

PS. Gotta agree with others I could never fill the great mans shoes, and no I have never played championship manager. Of course we like to think we know a lot about football, but there is so much that goes on that we can't begin to imagine the difficulties that SAF faces each and every day
 
Originally posted by ste_grassham:
<strong>Without knowing any of you lot, i bet you all sit at home thinking you can do a better job than SAF, we i do anyway! lol. we all play championship mangager, and we all have the perfect formations!! right or wrong, so heres mine...

GK
Carrol

Def Def Def
O,shea Rio Mikky


Rw Def Midd Def Midd Lw
Becks Keane Butt Giggs

Att Midd
Seba

Striker Striker
Rvn Ogs


The Defence Has Cover From 2 of the best Def midd in the league, in roy & nicky, and you have the man veron in the position he plays best in! he can make goals from the free roll, and his vision can open any defence, and with the boys up front, they only place the couldnt score is with my fat mother! lol. see i am funny. but you want to see her! she makes dot cotton look like a babe......</strong><hr></blockquote>

Frankly,your 3-4-1-2 formation seems to be ,either consciously or unconsciously,geared to accommodate Veron.I don't believe that Veron and Keane can go together.So drop one,or....play Keane in defence.Veron is not an attacking midfielder,Scholes is and is brilliant in that position.I prefer the more solid 4-4-2 formation.Play Keane in centre defence and have Beckham ,Scholes,Veron and Giggs as the middle 4.
At least it's worth a try and better than experimenting with Keane as an attacking player (what was SAF thinking off ??)
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I play CM with that exact formation and it works wonders. In CM that is.

NEWSFLASH:
Championship Manager is a computer game with a match engine which "recreates" scenarios. It's not football.

NEWSFLASH 2:
Earlier this year I got the double (EPL and CL) with Wolves. How fecking likely is that?

That said, I would rather SAF experiemnted with three at the back and more punch up front than with 4-5-1. We are an attacking team, we should be pressing the other team continuously and, usually, the rivals DO sit back so 3 at the back should be more than enough to handle their occasional attempts/counterattacks.
 
Originally posted by antohan:
<strong>I play CM with that exact formation and it works wonders. In CM that is.

NEWSFLASH:
Championship Manager is a computer game with a match engine which "recreates" scenarios. It's not football.

NEWSFLASH 2:
Earlier this year I got the double (EPL and CL) with Wolves. How fecking likely is that?

That said, I would rather SAF experiemnted with three at the back and more punch up front than with 4-5-1. We are an attacking team, we should be pressing the other team continuously and, usually, the rivals DO sit back so 3 at the back should be more than enough to handle their occasional attempts/counterattacks.</strong><hr></blockquote>


I don't like 3 at the back......vulnerable to pace and quick counter attacking teams.
How do you think a back line of 3 would fare against Arsenal and their pace,for example,against Henry,Wiltord,Pires and Ljungberg?? Which is why ,I believe,SAF will play 4-4-2.
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Originally posted by Gillespie:
<strong>How do you think a back line of 3 would fare against Arsenal and their pace,for example,against Henry,Wiltord,Pires and Ljungberg?? Which is why ,I believe,SAF will play 4-4-2.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Anyone playing 3 at the back against Arsenal needs a brain scan.

My point was it could be sound against those teams that will keep 10 men in the box and one standing in the midfield waiting for a long ball for 90 minutes. Didn't we end up with 2 at the back against WBA? Lots of teams will wait for us and have little damage to do in a counter whether you have 4 or 3 defenders at the back.

I would rather fiddle with that than try 4-5-1, that was my point (we never look like scoring). 4-4-2 remains the most balanced scheme, no doubt.
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442 is the system that has carried us to success. Why change? <img src="confused.gif" border="0">
 
i still like my formation, whoever had the idea to drop roy (bite ya bollox) keane to defence, was a good idea, larrys far to old, put him with rio, and veron in midd, but we need a new keeper as the ass clown we have unsettles the defence, we should have got big peter back for a season to sort us out at the back
 
Originally posted by Collyhurst Red:
<strong>442 is the system that has carried us to success. Why change? :confused: </strong><hr></blockquote>

One of the concerns was that we seemed to be more predictable. We always played the same so rival managers could plan to detail how to deal with us. We never surprised with a different formation while you keep seeing other teams (particularly across Europe) having several tactical variations.

There is some truth in it. However, I think it has harmed us more than it has helped and that might be a reason why SAF has looked so strongly into the coaching aspect this Summer.

That said, tactics aside, we don't look as good at 4-4-2 as we used to and that has nothing to do with tactics or predictability, we are just not performing as we used to both individually and as a team. That's what needs the most attention!
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Originally posted by ste_grassham:
<strong>i still like my formation, whoever had the idea to drop roy (bite ya bollox) keane to defence, was a good idea, larrys far to old, put him with rio, and veron in midd, but we need a new keeper as the ass clown we have unsettles the defence, we should have got big peter back for a season to sort us out at the back</strong><hr></blockquote>

Now you have added Blanc and Barthez to your list. Is anyone worthy?
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I prefer FIFA 2002 and counter strike... but I beleive in what SAF does, he's the boss... <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />
 
Originally posted by ste_grassham:
<strong>Without knowing any of you lot, i bet you all sit at home thinking you can do a better job than SAF, we i do anyway! lol. we all play championship mangager, and we all have the perfect formations!! right or wrong, so heres mine...

GK
Carrol

Def Def Def
O,shea Rio Mikky


Rw Def Midd Def Midd Lw
Becks Keane Butt Giggs

Att Midd
Seba

Striker Striker
Rvn Ogs


The Defence Has Cover From 2 of the best Def midd in the league, in roy & nicky, and you have the man veron in the position he plays best in! he can make goals from the free roll, and his vision can open any defence, and with the boys up front, they only place the couldnt score is with my fat mother! lol. see i am funny. but you want to see her! she makes dot cotton look like a babe......</strong><hr></blockquote>

i really like your formation. in theory it looks good but i would play Barthez and Brown. But i'm not sure about 3 at the back i like to see teams play 4. but not bad formation
;)
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Originally posted by antohan:
<strong>

Anyone playing 3 at the back against Arsenal needs a brain scan.

My point was it could be sound against those teams that will keep 10 men in the box and one standing in the midfield waiting for a long ball for 90 minutes. Didn't we end up with 2 at the back against WBA? Lots of teams will wait for us and have little damage to do in a counter whether you have 4 or 3 defenders at the back.

I would rather fiddle with that than try 4-5-1, that was my point (we never look like scoring). 4-4-2 remains the most balanced scheme, no doubt.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Hmmm....I see your point,but don't you think that a settled formation has greater advantages?Looking again at The Arse,they never 'fiddle' with the basic 4-4-2 formation seeming happy to let other teams worry about them than the reverse.

4-4-2 doesn't have to be rigid...with the level of movement capable from Beckham,Scholes and Giggs ,not to mention the strikers,the style of play can be very fluid and flexible around the basic 4-4-2 system.Many teams play 4-4-2 but lack that level of movement and creativity.


So,on balance,I'm still keen to keep the 4-4-2 system.

ps Nice to see that someone agrees with my idea that we should experiment with Keane in defence thus allowing Veron and Scholes to be allowed to play in their best roles.
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Im not saying i could do a better job than SAF but i would play 4-3-3.

Barthez

G. Neville - Brown - Rio - Silvestra

Beckham - Keane - Veron

Scholes Giggsy
Ruudi

What do u guys think?
 
Originally posted by Gillespie:
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4-4-2 doesn't have to be rigid...with the level of movement capable from Beckham,Scholes and Giggs ,not to mention the strikers,the style of play can be very fluid and flexible around the basic 4-4-2 system.Many teams play 4-4-2 but lack that level of movement and creativity.
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I agree but, as I said, the main problem is not tactical these days, it's purely performance. I think the performance dip (i.e. the loss of what you call the level of movement/flexibility our players are capable of within 4-4-2) is what took us to the "predictable tactics" conclusion and all that fiddling. The fact is, today we couldn't beat previous "poorer" (name, fame, fee and wage-wise) teams of ours whichever tactic we used!

<strong>ps Nice to see that someone agrees with my idea that we should experiment with Keane in defence thus allowing Veron and Scholes to be allowed to play in their best roles.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Going through our midfield would be a stroll then. Butt and/or Keane are absolutely necessary there.
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no! i have a vast amount of respect for the following! saf, giggs and keane! but saf need to freshing up things, giggs needs to play more simple football instead of tryinmg to take 11 players on, keane a great player, but he should stick to doing whats best! playing football! fabs a clown, without question! a clown! phils not got enough quality to be a man utd player!
 
Originally posted by An Extremely Boring Man:
<strong>

How many is it now?

Sir Alex
Barthez
Blanc
Phil Neville
Giggs

Anyone else?</strong><hr></blockquote>

Keane for writing that book.
The Board for stealing the money.

More coming soon!
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Originally posted by sa77:
<strong>Im not saying i could do a better job than SAF but i would play 4-3-3.

Barthez

G. Neville - Brown - Rio - Silvestra

Beckham - Keane - Veron

Scholes Giggsy
Ruudi

What do u guys think?</strong><hr></blockquote>

Not a true 4-3-3 as Scholes is not a wide player,it has more of the 4-3-2-1 system to it (the so-called christmas tree formation),which is difficult to play effectively,all too often becoming 4-5-1 and we've been there before.
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oh and old larry is just too old for the premireship, they say he has a footballing brain slo he doesnt need to have pace, yeah ok, i saw him play last season 14 times, and he was off the pace and so was his footbaling brain. check book player!
 
Originally posted by antohan:
<strong>

Keane for writing that book.
The Board for stealing the money.

More coming soon!</strong><hr></blockquote>

Oh yeah, how could I forget those bastards

The people not fit to wear the shirt:

Sir Alex
Barthez
Blanc
Phil Neville
Giggs
Keano
The board
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Originally posted by sa77:
<strong>Im not saying i could do a better job than SAF but i would play 4-3-3.

Barthez

G. Neville - Brown - Rio - Silvestra

Beckham - Keane - Veron

Scholes Giggsy
Ruudi

What do u guys think?</strong><hr></blockquote>

I think this is turning into a "How many fancy names can you stick in?" contest.
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Originally posted by ste_grassham:
<strong>oh and old larry is just too old for the premireship, they say he has a footballing brain slo he doesnt need to have pace, yeah ok, i saw him play last season 14 times, and he was off the pace and so was his footbaling brain. check book player!</strong><hr></blockquote>

So, in which games exactly didn't he play well?

I only saw one game where he struggled - against Newcastle away, and one game hwen he did a stupid mistake - against Boro in the cup

Rest of the season he was superb
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i know you people dont agree with what im saying, BUT at least i have made this place more intersting! just wait till i have my say about the following!

forlan,
veron,
cantona,
ince,
irwin,
kanchelskies,
cole,
yorke,

the list goes on! but its not all bad...
 
Originally posted by ste_grassham:
<strong>i know you people dont agree with what im saying, BUT at least i have made this place more intersting! just wait till i have my say about the following!

forlan,
veron,
cantona,
ince,
irwin,
kanchelskies,
cole,
yorke,

the list goes on! but its not all bad...</strong><hr></blockquote>

I can't wait. Get it done with quickly and feck off.
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The best attacking side we've had, in my view, was the double winning team of '94. They played 4-4-2. We won the treble with 4-4-2. Am i the only one seeing a pattern developing.

Problems with 3-4-1-2.
1) Zenden will murder us.
2) Veron is to0 isolated
3) No Scholes
4) It is needs the wingers to occassionally drop deep and cover. Giggs can't defend for shit (and why should he)
5) playing Mickey as part of a CB 3 stops his attacking instincts and we've all seen he has problems playing in at CB.

The theory is ok, on paper the match ups look in our favour but football isn't played on paper or on a computer. I for one know i couldn't do what SAF has done, but seeing as i'm unemployed i reckon he could have a fair crack at my job
 
Originally posted by Gillespie:
<strong>

Not a true 4-3-3 as Scholes is not a wide player,it has more of the 4-3-2-1 system to it (the so-called christmas tree formation),which is difficult to play effectively,all too often becoming 4-5-1 and we've been there before.</strong><hr></blockquote>

my formation is not clear on the message board, i would play scholes directly behind ruudi with giggs playing in an advanced left wing postion.
beckham will finally be able to play his best position in the centre with the license to go wide right and put some crosses in. Keane and veron will play very central, as they could make a great partnership in the middle.
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Originally posted by sa77:
<strong>

my formation is not clear on the message board, i would play scholes directly behind ruudi with giggs playing in an advanced left wing postion.
beckham will finally be able to play his best position in the centre with the license to go wide right and put some crosses in. Keane and veron will play very central, as they could make a great partnership in the middle.</strong><hr></blockquote>

So you are one of those who enjoys the board with arrows all over it. It's good if it works but usually too demanding on the players' brains.
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Originally posted by antohan:
<strong>

So you are one of those who enjoys the board with arrows all over it. It's good if it works but usually too demanding on the players' brains.</strong><hr></blockquote>

i dont think so, i personally think that this formation allows the players to play in there natural and most comfortable positions especially Beckham, Giggs and veron.
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Originally posted by sa77:
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i dont think so, i personally think that this formation allows the players to play in there natural and most comfortable positions especially Beckham, Giggs and veron.</strong><hr></blockquote>
If you wanted most comfortable positions, which I do, then this is the formation.
Barthez/Carroll
Gary/Phil Rio Blanc/Brown/O'Shea Silvestre
Becks Scholes Keano/Butt Giggs
Ruud Ole

Our old midfield with 4-4-2. Veron does not fit into our old formation though, and I doubt he ever will.
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Originally posted by Neil Thomson:
<strong>
If you wanted most comfortable positions, which I do, then this is the formation.
Barthez/Carroll
Gary/Phil Rio Blanc/Brown/O'Shea Silvestre
Becks Scholes Keano/Butt Giggs
Ruud Ole

Our old midfield with 4-4-2. Veron does not fit into our old formation though, and I doubt he ever will.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Becks has always wanted to play in the centre and giggs has always wanted to play higher up field. and about Veron, he is the kind of player we need if we want to win the CL
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Originally posted by Neil Thomson:
<strong>Veron does not fit into our old formation though, and I doubt he ever will.</strong><hr></blockquote>

:( Sad but true :(
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Originally posted by ste_grassham:
<strong> giggs needs to play more simple football instead of tryinmg to take 11 players on, !</strong><hr></blockquote>

Giggs is an attacking player one of his strengths is taking players on simple football is not UTDS way
BTW Are you a wind up?
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Originally posted by sa77:
<strong>giggs has always wanted to play higher up field. </strong><hr></blockquote>

I appreciate all Giggs can do when he turns it on but he has done jackshit for a while.

This kind of "formation thread" keeps reminding me of it. e.g. formations we can't play because Giggs can't defend; we need a 4th striker because Giggs as a fourth striker is a joke as he would miss too many chances and carry no "weight" in the box. As a link up player he has looked lost, particularly towards the end of last season.

I'm not saying he is useless! I mean he hasn't been performing but features in every formation as a definite starter. Furthermore, there isn't a realistic alternative to him. We need one ASAP! He needs to get his act together again.

TBH, these days I would probably have him in a "supersub" scheme sending him on to run riot when a defence is looking too tight. OGS starting and Giggs turning into a supersub, the irony...
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Originally posted by 26 may 1999:
<strong>'check book'...'defense'?

Not very stockton-on-tees like is it ste?

Dickhead.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Dickhead! yeah ok! just why is larry still playing? MONEY simple! so as i said hes a checkbook player..... his skills and pace, just like elvis has left the building
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Originally posted by ste_grassham:
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Dickhead! yeah ok! just why is larry still playing? MONEY simple! so as i said hes a checkbook player..... his skills and pace, just like elvis has left the building</strong><hr></blockquote>

<img src="graemlins/yawn.gif" border="0" alt="[Yawn]" />
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Originally posted by ste_grassham:
<strong>

Dickhead! yeah ok! just why is larry still playing? MONEY simple! so as i said hes a checkbook player..... his skills and pace, just like elvis has left the building</strong><hr></blockquote>

Christ mate, why don't YOU play for United... No one appears to cut it in your book.
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