Elon Musk | Doer of things on X and sad little man

devilish said:
I am on the Spectrum and can therefore understand Musk in ways you might struggle with. What Musk says is probably what he thinks and what he is aiming for. As many on the CAF knows about the likes of me is that we're not very good at beating around the bush and we'll say what we feel, the way it feels for us. Autistics have something called hyper focus. To put it in simple terms we take the 'dog with a bone' term on a whole new level. That means that if his aim is to make more money and to do so he'll have to trample over alot of people to do it then he'll do it. That's not because he's cruel but probably because he'll probably not notice the damage he's causing. I mean the guy works duzzilion hours a day. That's not good for his body and his mental health (especially for an autistic who'll have to contend to waves of sensory overload). Yet he do it just the same because that's his bone. If he can't take good care of himself then he'll certainly won't have the awareness to take care of strangers he never met.

What frightens the crap out of me about Musk is that he probably lacks the constant struggles most autistics have on a day to day basis. I mean look at him. He's the richest man in the world and he was the bf of Amber Heard. Thus his good and evil POV which most autistics have goes unchallenged and he lacks the regular kick in the balls the average autistic takes that keeps him in doubt that 'maybe just maybe' he's wrong. That will act as amplifier to double and triple down on what he is aiming for.

What I would do as a government is to engage with Musk. They could partner with him on some sort of joint space program or ask him to partner with them on how to best deal with the green deal. Give him a juicy steak he can shift his interest on.
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I'm sure he has challenges as everyone on the spectrum does, but he has access to the best doctors and psychologists the average person on the spectrum doesn't.

Furthermore, this doesn't explain why he continues to peddle fake news and disinformation.
 
devilish said:
I am on the Spectrum and can therefore understand Musk in ways you might struggle with. What Musk says is probably what he thinks and what he is aiming for. As many on the CAF knows about the likes of me is that we're not very good at beating around the bush and we'll say what we feel, the way it feels for us. Autistics have something called hyper focus. To put it in simple terms we take the 'dog with a bone' term on a whole new level. That means that if his aim is to make more money and to do so he'll have to trample over alot of people to do it then he'll do it. That's not because he's cruel but probably because he'll probably not notice the damage he's causing. I mean the guy works duzzilion hours a day. That's not good for his body and his mental health (especially for an autistic who'll have to contend to waves of sensory overload). Yet he do it just the same because that's his bone. If he can't take good care of himself then he'll certainly won't have the awareness to take care of strangers he never met.

What frightens the crap out of me about Musk is that he probably lacks the constant struggles most autistics have on a day to day basis. I mean look at him. He's the richest man in the world and he was the bf of Amber Heard. Thus his good and evil POV which most autistics have goes unchallenged and he lacks the regular kick in the balls the average autistic takes that keeps him in doubt that 'maybe just maybe' he's wrong. That will act as amplifier to double and triple down on what he is aiming for.

What I would do as a government is to engage with Musk. They could partner with him on some sort of joint space program or ask him to partner with them on how to best deal with the green deal. Give him a juicy steak he can shift his interest on.
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Or he’s just a fascist.

If he’s so concerned about historical rape cases, where is his concern for Pelicot, or the Catholic Church?
 
2mufc0 said:
I'm sure he has challenges as everyone on the spectrum does, but he has access to the best doctors and psychologists the average person on the spectrum doesn't.

Furthermore, this doesn't explain why he continues to peddle fake news and disinformation.
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in this particular situation he's worse then most of us mate.

Let me give you an example with myself. If I go off the handle then there's plenty of breaks around me. My wife will probably tell me that I was being unreasonable, if she doesn't then my parents could or even this very place would go on and 'tell me dev that's too much'. Since I trust these people then I let go. At this point in life I also have enough experience in life to know to know that while in my head I am 100% sure that I am right, there again, my brains can play tricks on me. It usually comes too late (hence why I ask people to tell me to stop when things go to extreme) but still, there's a break somewhere built out of years of losing friends or causing grief.

Musk lacks that. This guy is a machine which means that his autistic brain is screaming for rest. I've did long nighters myself, yes the attention to detail can get sharper at times and a fully focused autistic is worth half a department but god how extreme and unsufferable we can become in that situation. On top of that this guy is surrounded by yes people and is constantly being told of how big of a genius he is. That's further enforces his extremist views and encourages him to double down.

Which leads us to the last sentence. Him peddling in fake news/disinformation is a means to an end. He probably doesn't even understand how damaging he's being with it. If he can see through them then why can't the rest of the public? (and believe me I passed from that when a friend came crying to me cause he got scammed. My wife tried to help him with banks etc while I stood there trying to figure out how silly he was for falling to it and keeping asking him if he drank alcohol during that time etc)

Autistics are the most underutilized people in society. We can come out with ideas no one can think off, we can spot flaws no one sees, we can pursue things no one cares about and we will gladly do menial work no one likes because its a routine for us. Few of us (not me) are absolutely brilliant. Many suggest that Bill Gates and Einstein were autistic as well. Yet we can't and we shouldn't have so much power. Its not good for us and its certainly not good for society.
 
Jericholyte2 said:
Or he’s just a fascist.

If he’s so concerned about historical rape cases, where is his concern for Pelicot, or the Catholic Church?
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He obviously isn't concerned at all. It's just right wing conspiracy shit all the way. He obviously did a bit of a dig into Tommy ten names and came across this old stuff because Robinson's followers never stop banging on about it.

Thankfully, he's been keeping out of Irish politics the last while but I'm not sure moving on to bothering the UK is much better,.given it's our closest neighbour. But govts need to do more. We're sleeping walking into a massive problem with electoral interference by anyone with enough money. A lot of people really are stupid enough to believe what they read, without fact checking anything.
 
devilish said:
Autistics have something called hyper focus. To put it in simple terms we take the 'dog with a bone' term on a whole new level. That means that if his aim is to make more money and to do so he'll have to trample over alot of people to do it then he'll do it. That's not because he's cruel but probably because he'll probably not notice the damage he's causing.
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Most autistic people manage not to be evil cnuts who exploit other people. Whatever this guy has, his diagnosis is not an excuse for anything.

He's cruel. He knows the damage he's causing. He doesn't care.
 
Jericholyte2 said:
Or he’s just a fascist.

If he’s so concerned about historical rape cases, where is his concern for Pelicot, or the Catholic Church?
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Right wing politics is comfortable for an autistic. It aligns with the evil and good criteria in our heads and it promises to keep the future as close to the past we're used to. Change is scary for us and physically debilitating. I myself had posted things that could be described as offensive mostly because sometimes empathy need to beat over logic or there's a way bigger picture out there something autistics tend to struggle with. Dev poses little danger though. If he says something like Greenwood shouldn't have been sold cause we need his goals and if his wife forgave him then why can't we then he'll be corrected, he has his post removed and in a couple of days time there's a chance he'll figure it out himself. For Musk the sky is the limit, there's no guard rails, every word hits like a sledgehammer and there's no consequences to his actions.

Let's be clear I am not here to protect him. His words are causing damage. All I am saying is that while we're coming from two different roads (you think he's a fascist, I think he's a unrestrained autistic) I believe we meet towards the end. Whatever he is, he shouldn't have so much influence and power. I wouldn't want to have so much power and influence myself
 
nimic said:
Most autistic people manage not to be evil cnuts who exploit other people. Whatever this guy has, his diagnosis is not an excuse for anything.

He's cruel. He knows the damage he's causing. He doesn't care.
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Most autistics aren't evil that's true. Cnuts? well we can be without even noticing. Exploiting other people? Well most aren't even in the position to do so. In fact we're often on the other end of the stick.

I am not defending Musk here. All I am saying is that as an autistic person seeing another autistic person with so much power and so little guard rails around him is frigging terrifying.
 
devilish said:
Most autistics aren't evil that's true. Cnuts? well we can be without even noticing. Exploiting other people? Well most aren't even in the position to do so. In fact we're often on the other end of the stick.

I am not defending Musk here. All I am saying is that as an autistic person seeing another autistic person with so much power and so little guard rails around him is frigging terrifying.
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Hard to disagree with that. He's got entire companies filled with yes-men, and then he's got the adoration of the masses - at least as far as he's concerned.
 
devilish said:
Right wing politics is comfortable for an autistic. It aligns with the evil and good criteria in our heads and it promises to keep the future as close to the past we're used to. Change is scary for us and physically debilitating. I myself had posted things that could be described as offensive mostly because sometimes empathy need to beat over logic or there's a way bigger picture out there something autistics tend to struggle with. Dev poses little danger though. If he says something like Greenwood shouldn't have been sold cause we need his goals and if his wife forgave him then why can't we then he'll be corrected, he has his post removed and in a couple of days time there's a chance he'll figure it out himself. For Musk the sky is the limit, there's no guard rails, every word hits like a sledgehammer and there's no consequences to his actions.

Let's be clear I am not here to protect him. His words are causing damage. All I am saying is that while we're coming from two different roads (you think he's a fascist, I think he's a unrestrained autistic) I believe we meet towards the end. Whatever he is, he shouldn't have so much influence and power. I wouldn't want to have so much power and influence myself
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Unfortunately, even if you don't think you are, you are defending a fascist.

I know plenty of people with autism who aren't hateful cnuts like Musk. It's not an excuse.
 
Withnail said:
Unfortunately, even if you don't think you are, you are defending a fascist.

I know plenty of autistic people who aren't hateful cnuts like Musk. It's not an excuse.
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Malta was the most bombed country in WW2 per sqm. My grandfather was from the port area serving as an AA gunner in the most bombed section of the island. He recalled how during a bombing an older relative grabbed his hand to try to take him to shelter as 'he'll going to cause huge grief to his mother'. My grandfather broke free, that relative took refuge in that shelter with his family, a bomb hit that place and killed them all. So I doubt I can be a fascist mate.

You might think Musk is a fascist and you're entitled to your opinion. I who share the same condition see it differently and I explained my view the best way I could. We both agree that he's dangerous and terrifying. Can we agree with that without accusing one another about things that we are not and would spit on the graves of loved ones?
 
devilish said:
Malta was the most bombed country in WW2 per sqm. My grandfather was from the port area serving as an AA gunner in the most bombed section of the island. He recalled how during a bombing an older relative grabbed his hand to try to take him to shelter as 'he'll going to cause huge grief to his mother'. My grandfather broke free, that relative took refuge in that shelter with his family, a bomb hit that place and killed them all. So I doubt I can be a fascist mate.

You might think Musk is a fascist and you're entitled to your opinion. I who share the same condition see it differently and I explained my view the best way I could. We both agree that he's dangerous and terrifying. Can we agree with that without accusing one another about things that we are not and would spit on the graves of loved ones?
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I agree we shouldn't accuse each other but I never called you a fascist so I've no idea where you're getting that from.
 
devilish said:
Malta was the most bombed country in WW2 per sqm. My grandfather was from the port area serving as an AA gunner in the most bombed section of the island. He recalled how during a bombing an older relative grabbed his hand to try to take him to shelter as 'he'll going to cause huge grief to his mother'. My grandfather broke free, that relative took refuge in that shelter with his family, a bomb hit that place and killed them all. So I doubt I can be a fascist mate.

You might think Musk is a fascist and you're entitled to your opinion. I who share the same condition see it differently and I explained my view the best way I could. We both agree that he's dangerous and terrifying. Can we agree with that without accusing one another about things that we are not and would spit on the graves of loved ones?
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He’s a fascist who also happens to be autistic. I think it’s rather simple, really.
 
nimic said:
Most autistic people manage not to be evil cnuts who exploit other people. Whatever this guy has, his diagnosis is not an excuse for anything.
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Yeah, autism/aspergers and other mental illnesses, conditions, disabilities etc., can sometimes be an excuse for someone being a cnut but not always. I think it's quite clear with Musk that he's just a complete cnut.
 
I'm starting to wonder if his support for all things Tommy is related to that pro-Israel lobby that pays (or used to) pay Tommy
 
Frosty said:
I think you are crediting him with a higher level of thought than he is capable of.

E: also which lobby was funding Yaxley Lennon, and for what purpose?
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I'm not crediting him with anything really I'm just wondering what the motivation is. But that wouldn't be a high-level of thought at all.

Tommy was a shillman fellow a while back (shillman foundation).. I wouldn't be surprised if all sorts of groups are paying him though

we can only guess why pro-israel lobbies pay far-right activists who relentlessly attack muslims
 
Raven said:
You should probably stop doing it then.
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I don’t think they are. I think you are just failing to understand their perspective and what they mean.
If I understand @devilish correctly here, all they are saying is that they, being on the spectrum like Musk, believe that many of the issues regarding Musk might stem from his autism.
I personally do agree with some of those points. I also believe that people with autism might be more likely to fall for right wing talking points and ideology, for the reasons that were mentioned and many more. Totalitarian ideologies in general are somewhat well suited for autistic people, as it allows thinking in absolutes and the like. Autistic people may also tend to ignore or be unaware of issues of morality in certain situations, without having any malicious intent.
The way I see it, what devilish wrote partly reasonates with me, because I believe to understand the sentiment behind these posts from my own experiences a bit. Growing up and being autistic means to lack agency in public discourses and comes with a lack of role models. Seeing the richest man in the world being autistic, but at the same time (rightfully) universally loathed, really sucks. So it’s somewhat natural that one would try to find mitigating circumstances for their behaviour, especially considering that many things he gets attacked over are directly linked to his autism. Also in places like here. He’s not just getting rightful criticism. He’s also being ridiculed for things that have nothing to do with him being a horrible human being, but very much with his autism. People on here for example made a point of saying that they find his dorky behaviour and his lack of coolness much worse than his other actions. Obviously that happened in jest. But still, that can hurt. Badly. So it makes sense that someone would step up not to defend his horrific actions, but his autism and paint them less as this pure evil, but more of a struggling person lacking the support to not get off the rails.
And I think that might even be partially true.

However I disagree with the conclusion devilish draws from this. Because a person can very much be autistic and fascist. As is Musk. They can also be autistic and antifascist. Greta Thunberg being an example for this.
And in the case of Musk, one might also add that it’s unlikely that he’s far on the spectrum. So he should absolutely be able to see the wrong in his actions. He’s also very good at lying and deceiving, as his free speech absolutism-lies show. Which to me proves that he’s not fallen for the classic trap us autistic people often fall into, where we stop seeing the issues we cause as we blindly follow some ideal. He’s doing the opposite. Claiming to follow this ideal in order to further a rather horrible agenda.

But overall, even though I disagree with the conclusion as Musk to me is a fascist who happens to be autistic, I sympathise with @devilish and their post and like to think I understand the underlying emotions better than most here (might be completely wrong, though). And I think it’s a little disheartening to see that people don’t really try to understand the perspective of someone who has just explained to them, that they have this neurological thing that makes it difficult to engage with others and makes it more difficult to be understood.
I’ve been in that position myself. It is extremely difficult to argue one’s own perspective on sensible topics like this, without being misunderstood and then ridiculed, laughed at or even worse, to be taken for some asshole.
 
Nah, with all due respect, I can't buy the autism angle. He's a massive cnut who is purposefully sowing hate at a global level. Using that condition to mitigate how much of a terrible human being he is is disrespectful to millions of people with the same condition who aren't.
 
HTG said:
I don’t think they are. I think you are just failing to understand their perspective and what they mean.
If I understand @devilish correctly here, all they are saying is that they, being on the spectrum like Musk, believe that many of the issues regarding Musk might stem from his autism.
I personally do agree with some of those points. I also believe that people with autism might be more likely to fall for right wing talking points and ideology, for the reasons that were mentioned and many more. Totalitarian ideologies in general are somewhat well suited for autistic people, as it allows thinking in absolutes and the like. Autistic people may also tend to ignore or be unaware of issues of morality in certain situations, without having any malicious intent.
The way I see it, what devilish wrote partly reasonates with me, because I believe to understand the sentiment behind these posts from my own experiences a bit. Growing up and being autistic means to lack agency in public discourses and comes with a lack of role models. Seeing the richest man in the world being autistic, but at the same time (rightfully) universally loathed, really sucks. So it’s somewhat natural that one would try to find mitigating circumstances for their behaviour, especially considering that many things he gets attacked over are directly linked to his autism. Also in places like here. He’s not just getting rightful criticism. He’s also being ridiculed for things that have nothing to do with him being a horrible human being, but very much with his autism. People on here for example made a point of saying that they find his dorky behaviour and his lack of coolness much worse than his other actions. Obviously that happened in jest. But still, that can hurt. Badly. So it makes sense that someone would step up not to defend his horrific actions, but his autism and paint them less as this pure evil, but more of a struggling person lacking the support to not get off the rails.
And I think that might even be partially true.

However I disagree with the conclusion devilish draws from this. Because a person can very much be autistic and fascist. As is Musk. They can also be autistic and antifascist. Greta Thunberg being an example for this.
And in the case of Musk, one might also add that it’s unlikely that he’s far on the spectrum. So he should absolutely be able to see the wrong in his actions. He’s also very good at lying and deceiving, as his free speech absolutism-lies show. Which to me proves that he’s not fallen for the classic trap us autistic people often fall into, where we stop seeing the issues we cause as we blindly follow some ideal. He’s doing the opposite. Claiming to follow this ideal in order to further a rather horrible agenda.

But overall, even though I disagree with the conclusion as Musk to me is a fascist who happens to be autistic, I sympathise with @devilish and their post and like to think I understand the underlying emotions better than most here (might be completely wrong, though). And I think it’s a little disheartening to see that people don’t really try to understand the perspective of someone who has just explained to them, that they have this neurological thing that makes it difficult to engage with others and makes it more difficult to be understood.
I’ve been in that position myself. It is extremely difficult to argue one’s own perspective on sensible topics like this, without being misunderstood and then ridiculed, laughed at or even worse, to be taken for some asshole.
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I'm not reading all of that. If you're trying to say that the richest man in the world who is also spreading fascism and buying governments is only doing so because he's autistic is letting him off the hook. He's a white supremacist. He's a union buster. He's a propagandist. He's dirt. I won't listen to Musk apologism.
 
Raven said:
I'm not reading all of that. If you're trying to say that the richest man in the world who is also spreading fascism and buying governments is only doing so because he's autistic is letting him off the hook. He's a white supremacist. He's a union buster. He's a propagandist. He's dirt. I won't listen to Musk apologism.
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You know, the usual way to deal with a post you find too long to read would be to ignore it. But to proclaim that you did not read it and then go on to argue against a point I haven’t even made is an amount of arrogance and ignorance that’s quite frankly stunning.
Horrible post and really weird and odd behaviour on your part.
 
HTG said:
You know, the usual way to deal with a post you find too long to read would be to ignore it. But to proclaim that you did not read it and then go on to argue against a point I haven’t even made is an amount of arrogance and ignorance that’s quite frankly stunning.
Horrible post and really weird and odd behaviour on your part.
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I probably worded that poorly. I was talking about OP's posts.
 
Mr Pigeon said:
I'm not expecting much if this is the best that Labour can muster to counter Musk's clear bullshit that he posted yesterday, then it'll just get worse. And I don't think Labour really mind, either. All of these politicians likely have exit strategies when things go tits up.

"Some of the criticisms Elon Musk has made I think are misjudged and certainly misinformed.

"But we're willing to work with Elon Musk who I think has got a big role to play with his social media platform to help us and other countries tackle these serious issues.

"If he wants to work with us and roll his sleeves up, we'd welcome that."

Weak as feck. I mean, that quote is from Wes Streeting who is just a snivelling little cnut at the end of day, but I still expected better.
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fecking Streeting. He’s a detestable scrote.
 
Mr Pigeon said:
I'm not expecting much if this is the best that Labour can muster to counter Musk's clear bullshit that he posted yesterday, then it'll just get worse. And I don't think Labour really mind, either. All of these politicians likely have exit strategies when things go tits up.

"Some of the criticisms Elon Musk has made I think are misjudged and certainly misinformed.

"But we're willing to work with Elon Musk who I think has got a big role to play with his social media platform to help us and other countries tackle these serious issues.

"If he wants to work with us and roll his sleeves up, we'd welcome that."

Weak as feck. I mean, that quote is from Wes Streeting who is just a snivelling little cnut at the end of day, but I still expected better.
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They'll do feck all. They're more than happy to be controlled by billionaires (they already are).
 
HTG said:
I don’t think they are. I think you are just failing to understand their perspective and what they mean.
If I understand @devilish correctly here, all they are saying is that they, being on the spectrum like Musk, believe that many of the issues regarding Musk might stem from his autism.
I personally do agree with some of those points. I also believe that people with autism might be more likely to fall for right wing talking points and ideology, for the reasons that were mentioned and many more. Totalitarian ideologies in general are somewhat well suited for autistic people, as it allows thinking in absolutes and the like. Autistic people may also tend to ignore or be unaware of issues of morality in certain situations, without having any malicious intent.
The way I see it, what devilish wrote partly reasonates with me, because I believe to understand the sentiment behind these posts from my own experiences a bit. Growing up and being autistic means to lack agency in public discourses and comes with a lack of role models. Seeing the richest man in the world being autistic, but at the same time (rightfully) universally loathed, really sucks. So it’s somewhat natural that one would try to find mitigating circumstances for their behaviour, especially considering that many things he gets attacked over are directly linked to his autism. Also in places like here. He’s not just getting rightful criticism. He’s also being ridiculed for things that have nothing to do with him being a horrible human being, but very much with his autism. People on here for example made a point of saying that they find his dorky behaviour and his lack of coolness much worse than his other actions. Obviously that happened in jest. But still, that can hurt. Badly. So it makes sense that someone would step up not to defend his horrific actions, but his autism and paint them less as this pure evil, but more of a struggling person lacking the support to not get off the rails.
And I think that might even be partially true.

However I disagree with the conclusion devilish draws from this. Because a person can very much be autistic and fascist. As is Musk. They can also be autistic and antifascist. Greta Thunberg being an example for this.
And in the case of Musk, one might also add that it’s unlikely that he’s far on the spectrum. So he should absolutely be able to see the wrong in his actions. He’s also very good at lying and deceiving, as his free speech absolutism-lies show. Which to me proves that he’s not fallen for the classic trap us autistic people often fall into, where we stop seeing the issues we cause as we blindly follow some ideal. He’s doing the opposite. Claiming to follow this ideal in order to further a rather horrible agenda.

But overall, even though I disagree with the conclusion as Musk to me is a fascist who happens to be autistic, I sympathise with @devilish and their post and like to think I understand the underlying emotions better than most here (might be completely wrong, though). And I think it’s a little disheartening to see that people don’t really try to understand the perspective of someone who has just explained to them, that they have this neurological thing that makes it difficult to engage with others and makes it more difficult to be understood.
I’ve been in that position myself. It is extremely difficult to argue one’s own perspective on sensible topics like this, without being misunderstood and then ridiculed, laughed at or even worse, to be taken for some asshole.
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Thanks for the kind words.

However let me clarify something if I may. Yes a person can be very much be autistic and fascist. But as you well know we don't take half measures. If an autistic is fascist then he's REALLY Fascist ie quoting Mein Kampf, buying memorabilia and all. I don't see that in Musk. Musk endorsed Obama in 2007. He gave donations for Clinton's and Obama's run and he voted for Biden. No fascist would do that especially an Autistic one whose good-evil view of life would put Biden, Clinton and Obama as Satan.

Now I am no expert of Musk but if I am a gambling man I would say that what flipped Musk was seeing Tesla snubbed by Biden's electric vehicle summit. Musk sees Tesla as a force of good and an extension of himself. By snubbing Tesla, Biden had snubbed Musk and good which in turn made him and everyone who share his view evil. How do you beat evil? Well you pledge allegiance to those who fights them especially enemies who happens to share your views on the things you like. That would explain Trump strategy to soften his rhetoric on EVs

Which is why I am scared shit of Musk. The guy is insanely rich and powerful but he's also autistic. That means that he can be swindled easily by first earning his trust then having him focus on 1-2 details he like on the expense of the bigger picture. As said before, I don't think Musk is a fascist. That doesn't mean he's not insanely dangerous



Raven said:
I'm not reading all of that. If you're trying to say that the richest man in the world who is also spreading fascism and buying governments is only doing so because he's autistic is letting him off the hook. He's a white supremacist. He's a union buster. He's a propagandist. He's dirt. I won't listen to Musk apologism.
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If you're not reading all that then you don't care as much as you didn't care what I wrote. Else you'll notice that I never said that he should be off the hook. Actually what I said time and time again is
devilish said:
I am not defending Musk here. All I am saying is that as an autistic person seeing another autistic person with so much power and so little guard rails around him is frigging terrifying.
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devilish said:
You might think Musk is a fascist and you're entitled to your opinion. I who share the same condition see it differently and I explained my view the best way I could. We both agree that he's dangerous and terrifying. Can we agree with that without accusing one another about things that we are not and would spit on the graves of loved ones?
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devilish said:
What frightens the crap out of me about Musk is that he probably lacks the constant struggles most autistics have on a day to day basis. I mean look at him. He's the richest man in the world and he was the bf of Amber Heard. Thus his good and evil POV which most autistics have goes unchallenged and he lacks the regular kick in the balls the average autistic takes that keeps him in doubt that 'maybe just maybe' he's wrong. That will act as amplifier to double and triple down on what he is aiming for.
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After reading those three posts do you really think that I believe that he should be off the hook? Actually I am more scared of Musk then I am scared of actual fascists like La Russa, Salvini and Farage.


PS this is my last post on this argument. Its evident that its not well received and will be twisted around to make me look bad. I made my point and there's nothing to add
 
If Elon Musk is indeed a fascist, white supremacist etc, then why is the digital platform belonging to this person being posted repeatedly on this forum?
 
devilish said:
Most autistics aren't evil that's true. Cnuts? well we can be without even noticing. Exploiting other people? Well most aren't even in the position to do so. In fact we're often on the other end of the stick.

I am not defending Musk here. All I am saying is that as an autistic person seeing another autistic person with so much power and so little guard rails around him is frigging terrifying.
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I'm not sure if you're aware, but Musk's Autism/Asperger's has been a talking point across the internet since he mentioned it. Plenty of threads on Reddit about it with many, many Austistic people outraged that he's giving people on the spectrum an awful name for his behaviour being explained away by being on the spectrum.

The massive problem with what you're saying here is the methodical, systematic nature of a plan being executed in stages, where Musk knows exactly who to speak properly to and when to hold his tongue and retreat. Also, if you are going to go down the spectrum route - and as someone who has autism yourself - you will be aware that those on the spectrum correct societally considered erroneous behaviour at the first instance that they are made aware of their faux pas. They do not go off and re-order to continue diabolical scheming. That's crossing over to personality disorder, rather than simply being autistic or having Asperger's.

Musk announces things when he is in a comfortable position from which to spread his poison; he's not randomly blurting out fascist or racist rhetoric. He has carefully procured the conditions and platform from which to do so. He clearly knows what he's doing is out of order and requires the correct conditions and platform to be uttered. That isn't being socially awkward, that's actually having your finger on the pulse and exploiting said pulse to the maximum at exactly the right time. Musk is throwing petrol on fires all over the world in a very controlled and systematic fashion, even revealing more of exactly who he is after duping the masses for a concerted period of time. Are you going to put that down to being on the spectrum?

He was born and raised in apartheid. His musings have shown he pines for those days and it's very much a part of him. Beneath the smoke and mirrors it's dawning on people that he has been slowly and steadily working himself to the position he has now to affect global politics; he's not doing these things because he has Asperger's, it may help him hyperfocus and fixate, but the driver is his core values and beliefs that supersede anything. He knows he stands for something diabolical, which is why it is being drip-fed into the public consciousness.
 
Fortitude said:
I'm not sure if you're aware, but Musk's Autism/Asperger's has been a talking point across the internet since he mentioned it. Plenty of threads on Reddit about it with many, many Austistic people outraged that he's giving people on the spectrum an awful name for his behaviour being explained away by being on the spectrum.

The massive problem with what you're saying here is the methodical, systematic nature of a plan being executed in stages, where Musk knows exactly who to speak properly to and when to hold his tongue and retreat. Also, if you are going to go down the spectrum route - and as someone who has autism yourself - you will be aware that those on the spectrum correct societally considered erroneous behaviour at the first instance that they are made aware of their faux pas. They do not go off and re-order to continue diabolical scheming. That's crossing over to personality disorder, rather than simply being autistic or having Asperger's.

Musk announces things when he is in a comfortable position from which to spread his poison; he's not randomly blurting out fascist or racist rhetoric. He has carefully procured the conditions and platform from which to do so. He clearly knows what he's doing is out of order and requires the correct conditions and platform to be uttered. That isn't being socially awkward, that's actually having your finger on the pulse and exploiting said pulse to the maximum at exactly the right time. Musk is throwing petrol on fires all over the world in a very controlled and systematic fashion, even revealing more of exactly who he is after duping the masses for a concerted period of time. Are you going to put that down to being on the spectrum?

He was born and raised in apartheid. His musings have shown he pines for those days and it's very much a part of him. Beneath the smoke and mirrors it's dawning on people that he has been slowly and steadily working himself to the position he has now to affect global politics; he's not doing these things because he has Asperger's, it may help him hyperfocus and fixate, but the driver is his core values and beliefs that supersede anything. He knows he stands for something diabolical, which is why it is being drip-fed into the public consciousness.
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I follow what's Musk is doing and I am angry as well btw but I am far from an expert on him.

If he's executing a complex 3d like chess masterplan then he's

a- he is pretending to be autistic
b- he's a type of autistic I never met with, read about or researched upon. We can be good on many things but to come out with intricate long term masterplans on how to manipulate so many people is not one of them. Far from it
c- the person he trusts blindly (most of us has someone like that) is manipulating him big time.

Irrespective of which one it may be then he's terrifying.
 
devilish said:
I follow what's Musk is doing and I am angry as well btw but I am far from an expert on him.

If he's executing a complex 3d like chess masterplan then he's

a- he is pretending to be autistic
b- he's a type of autistic I never met with, read about or researched upon. We can be good on many things but to come out with intricate long term masterplans on how to manipulate so many people is not one of them. Far from it
c- the person he trusts blindly (most of us has someone like that) is manipulating him big time.

Irrespective of which one it may be then he's terrifying.
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Which is my point, and you get it ;) outside of c, it points more to personality disorder than Asperger's that is "making" him act like a scourge to humanity. I think you'd enjoy reading the Reddit threads about this, btw. There are many on the spectrum there discussing this very thing from a point of view and empathy I/we here who are not on the spectrum (beknownst at least) cannot have or relate to.
 
@devilish all yhat you are saying about being autistic might well be true. But i dont understand the not being a fascist. Are they mutually exclusive?. No one is born a fascist. Could it be that being and autistic kid from an apartheid emerald mine owner family background which could be a good starting point to cultivate fascim is what drove him where he is now and the lack of guardrails that you mention and the diffculty to process empathy brought him to the path of fascism?

And i repeat. Is being on the spectrum and being a fascist mutually exclusive or furthermore, being autistic without guardrails could well make you become a fascist easier if you are comking from a certain background?
 
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