For those of us who don’t keep up with German politics, are AFD likely to win?
Elon Musk | Doer of things on X and sad little man
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For those of us who don’t keep up with German politics, are AFD likely to win?
I'm not expecting much if this is the best that Labour can muster to counter Musk's clear bullshit that he posted yesterday, then it'll just get worse. And I don't think Labour really mind, either. All of these politicians likely have exit strategies when things go tits up.
"Some of the criticisms Elon Musk has made I think are misjudged and certainly misinformed.
"But we're willing to work with Elon Musk who I think has got a big role to play with his social media platform to help us and other countries tackle these serious issues.
"If he wants to work with us and roll his sleeves up, we'd welcome that."
Weak as feck. I mean, that quote is from Wes Streeting who is just a snivelling little cnut at the end of day, but I still expected better.
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He’s basically got governments by the balls. The language is geared towards not upsetting his highness. Kow-towing to a fascist loon.
No. That’s extremely unlikely.
Yeah, it's just sad. If they don't want to burn bridges then fine, but what's wrong with directly calling out misinformation? Just say "We want to work with innovators like Musk but we also won't tolerate lies." It's almost like the recent riots have been forgotten, when anyone who wasn't lighter than rimaldo's bleached arsehole were attacked by knuckle dragging rightwing loons.
Thanks.
No. They might come 2nd place which would be unprecedented for a right wing extremist party in postwar Germany, but they won't win. And anyway they wouldn't be able to govern (as they can't form a coalition with no other party willing to cooperate).
You're welcome.
They are at 18% right now, firmly behind the CDU (Merkel's party), which sits at 33% of the votes. However, even if the AfD were to get the most votes, they likely wouldn't be able to form a majority, as no other party is willing to form a coalition with them. So even if they were to win by getting the most votes, they still most likely wouldn't be able to govern. At least for now. This might change in the next few years and quite a few people are afraid that the CDU might consider a coalition with them in the future, despite claiming repeatedly that they would never consider it.
Edited the numbers, as I have found more recent surveys.
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With election interference and the right wing media, Europe is really getting fecked by Russian and American billionaires/world leaders. It’s very sad to see.
Twitter is his personal toy and mouthpiece. There’s a certain irony in bitching about it being a right-wing propaganda tool while simultaneously sharing content from it.
Imagine being an atheist and being wrong all along to reach haven (because i am a god boy) and see god as elon musk...for eternity
Thankfully an American oligarch who is most known for his cars using his personal media empire to promote and fund a German far-right party has never had negative consequences in the past.
Since he bought it, I have been bombarded with dubious right-wing posts. He is complaining about something that I suspect is done on purpose.
We could spread the story that Musk is interested in climate protests. That could trigger a response.
You are absolutely correct.
But ignoring the threat is not an option. He is a huge danger to the whole world, letting him continue to do as he pleases unopposed is not the way.
Using his platform and sharing his content isn’t opposing anything, it’s amplifying his message. Think he’s a danger to the world? Don’t use Twitter.
What would they be afraid of? Like, what does Musk have that the UK needs? It's not like he will refuse to sell Teslas or make Twitter unavailable in the UK. If anything, the UK has more leverage by deciding as a government to get off Twitter and create stronger moderation laws for social media.
Labour are afraid of upsetting the centre/ right voters they pandered to in the elections. Not that it matters, these voters are likely to go to reform next election with the way things are going.
he can influence elections
Not sure it's even anything to do with being afraid. I just don't think they really care what Musk's manipulation can potentially lead to, because by that point they'll have cushy private sector jobs lined up anyway. So you get people like Wes "I'm a Real Life Boy" Streeting doing his best attempt at showing an emotion but not really doing anything about it (not that he could given his current role anyway).
Besides, if things really do go tits up and the UK turns into Alabama Part 2: The Shittening, it won't affect any of our politicians.
The new social media legislation related to age verification and subsequent fines will be so business friendly I highly doubt it'll even be a problem. Musk just wants to use it as a jumping off point to rally people around him. It's Ofcom who are the legislators ffs! They can't even get companies like Virgin and Sky to stop lying about their Internet speeds in their ads or average downtime when customers claim after blackouts. They're as competent as I am thick of hair.
Yeah. Politicians that are too centric/right and business-friendly to care or see the (depth of the) problem.
He'll do that anyway, and in the UK it's already clear he'll side with Reform. Nothing left to win or lose there.
it's clearly not a situation that is that binary
there are any number of ways this can go
What are those ways?
The money he could give would change the fundamental landscape of elections. Our electoral laws date from the late 19th century and are completely unfit to deal with social media and the internet.... Let alone a billionaire who is possibly giving 9 figures to a political party with an already shady background.
he's a business man he probably just wants leverage to open up or keep open regulatory environments that suit him
but who knows he's fecking crazy
he also has like $400bn, has leverage with the president, and owns twitter
surely it's fairly obvious him messing with the UK can go wrong in lots of ways?
He's always been driven by his weird ideology more than his businesses. That's what makes him dangerous.
Yeah I know, and I'm worried about it, especially now he's getting behind Tommy Robinson. I'm hoping it's just mostly business related though, the UK is a huge market and Musk benefits a lot from some sway with the government.
Tommy robinson was convicted of passport fraud in 2013, for, wait for it, trying to get into the U.S. on a fake passport.
If we had a media or politicans with balls, they would call out musk for chapioning an attempted illegal immigrant. A fair few Rep senators repeating his nonsense could do with having that plastered across the internet too, I guarantee they will shut up about yaxley lennon pretty quickly after that.
"Work with us" presumably meaning cutting him into a slice of the inevitable NHS carve up. We're absolutely fecked whoever gets in again next time.
A capital letter? Truly, dark days are upon us.
Where?
Ah damn my eyesight must be getting worse!
The dot above the i along with apostrophe must have blurred together to make it look like a capital I.
I even went back and double-checked before replying
Ah right, I wasn't aware.
And anyway, I suppose every country has its loopholes in that regard. People weren't supposed to be able to pump that much money into the US elections anymore either, but here we are.
Other parties eventually caved on Wilders here as well sadly. VVD was always the most likely party as being in power has always been more important than their actual ideology, but part of CDA (think that's our CDU-ish party) splitting off to form their own party and cave immediatly was rather dissappointing. Wilders had a very large majority though.
re Musk, if there ever was a person for whom it would be super sad to be in a fatal accident tomorrow.....
Has something happened recently with the grooming gang that musk is bringing this front and centre on twitter? Weren't they all prosecuted years ago or is another one?
Someone from America mistook this for a real Policr account and now the Cnut has restricted it. What a child.
I believe there was a call (not sure who from, exactly) for a government enquiry into it, but the government (like the previous Tory gov before them) said no, as there have already been several enquiries undertaken and concluded. As a result, Musk said Jess Phillips, who made the decision, should be sent to jail.
There are, and always have been, a significant section of the public who blame Labour for the gangs, presumably because the councils in Oldham and Rotherham were run by Labour. The enquiries seemed to conclude that the victims were failed not by the councils or any political party, but by a mixture of apathy, incompetence and misogyny on the part of the local police forces and social services.
I am on the Spectrum and can therefore understand Musk in ways you might struggle with. What Musk says is probably what he thinks and what he is aiming for. As many on the CAF knows about the likes of me is that we're not very good at beating around the bush and we'll say what we feel, the way it feels for us. Autistics have something called hyper focus. To put it in simple terms we take the 'dog with a bone' term on a whole new level. That means that if his aim is to make more money and to do so he'll have to trample over alot of people to do it then he'll do it. That's not because he's cruel but probably because he'll probably not notice the damage he's causing. I mean the guy works duzzilion hours a day. That's not good for his body and his mental health (especially for an autistic who'll have to contend to waves of sensory overload). Yet he do it just the same because that's his bone. If he can't take good care of himself then he'll certainly won't have the awareness to take care of strangers he never met.
What frightens the crap out of me about Musk is that he probably lacks the constant struggles most autistics have on a day to day basis. I mean look at him. He's the richest man in the world and he was the bf of Amber Heard. Thus his good and evil POV which most autistics have goes unchallenged and he lacks the regular kick in the balls the average autistic takes that keeps him in doubt that 'maybe just maybe' he's wrong. That will act as amplifier to double and triple down on what he is aiming for.
What I would do as a government is to engage with Musk. They could partner with him on some sort of joint space program or ask him to partner with them on how to best deal with the green deal. Give him a juicy steak he can shift his interest on.
What frightens the crap out of me about Musk is that he probably lacks the constant struggles most autistics have on a day to day basis. I mean look at him. He's the richest man in the world and he was the bf of Amber Heard. Thus his good and evil POV which most autistics have goes unchallenged and he lacks the regular kick in the balls the average autistic takes that keeps him in doubt that 'maybe just maybe' he's wrong. That will act as amplifier to double and triple down on what he is aiming for.
What I would do as a government is to engage with Musk. They could partner with him on some sort of joint space program or ask him to partner with them on how to best deal with the green deal. Give him a juicy steak he can shift his interest on.